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sceller

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Think slightly worse than that. It's gallery will now be online only, with 10 people in a server. Animations are locked behind a multi-currency freemium style gacha system. Outfits cost a lot and are in a rotating shop. New content comes in the form of season passes.
I have suspicions that this idea will fail.
 
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Kuzukuz

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Think slightly worse than that. It's gallery will now be online only, with 10 people in a server. Animations are locked behind a multi-currency freemium style gacha system. Outfits cost a lot and are in a rotating shop. New content comes in the form of season passes.
so basically just gacha porn game?wadefuk,how was something that the grand idea is fighting lovecraftian monster with story,fps with sex mechanic,becoming like that,holy heck
 

Chanka123

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yeah this kinda thing keeps happening with alot of games to the point that its gonna be damn near impossible to crowd source games
 

pinosante

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Yeah, we had fallen doll, that was scrapped, then it became lovecraft, that went nowhere, and now we're basically back to fallen doll even including the same animations they used there (dancing pole).
 
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Jagged

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If only they just released the open source and let other programmers finish the game if they don't want to... But no, they just want Genshin Impact gacha money.
 

voltairepop

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I don't know if it's sarcasm or not, but I see a lot of white knights here, hope you all bought a copy of Honey Select 2 (+ all DLC) through Amazon to support Illusion, the best developer in the hentai industry. have a nice day. ;)
Do i have to buy one? Can't i pirate it because i am broke?
 

Nihil5320

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its like a 50/50 between people being excited for the monthly updates and people expecting it to flop. its kinda weird why those people still stick around and pay into it
He loses about so presumably a lot of them don't stick around and are replaced throughout the subsequent month. Either they're older subscribers who are just starting to sour on the project or new subscribers suddenly realising that the project might be a bit of a shitshow.

What is interesting is that despite the supposed rebuild being completed at the end of August Helius still, in nearly 4 weeks, hasn't found the time to provide any real detail on it. Even the latest "Rebuilding Progress Report" doesn't have any information regarding what they have actually done in the rebuild, it's just more still renders of unposed models and a bit of concept art for stuff that won't even be in it...

Any other dev and you'd have detailed writeups of what they've changed or added, how it works, screenshots etc. Really makes you wonder whether they're anticipating a negative reception. If all they have to show for it really is just a new playable character, a handful of animations and in game currencies I imagine their subs will drop like flies.
 

BobKilan

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Galatea?
0 news about her
No, she has a trailer coming out soon. Galatea and Elizabeth will be getting the pole dance trailer like the other characters recently have. Galatea's model has been tweaked and finished after Steam approval finally and they are currently doing mocap for her. We've already seen a more recent screenshot if you want to search the discord for it.

The trailer should be either coming out this month, per promise, or more likely next month due to the change and bundling it with Elizabeth's trailer.
Galatea got changed to the same height as Alet and its speculated they made her look older because they won't show her face anymore.
No, she was made taller but it was too tall so they made her shorter again, just enough to not be a problem for Steam. As far as he has hinted at nothing has been done to her appearance of age, and the backside certainly looks like a young adult just like before. We will see her in a video, soon.
He loses about so presumably a lot of them don't stick around and are replaced throughout the subsequent month. Either they're older subscribers who are just starting to sour on the project or new subscribers suddenly realising that the project might be a bit of a shitshow.

What is interesting is that despite the supposed rebuild being completed at the end of August Helius still, in nearly 4 weeks, hasn't found the time to provide any real detail on it. Even the latest "Rebuilding Progress Report" doesn't have any information regarding what they have actually done in the rebuild, it's just more still renders of unposed models and a bit of concept art for stuff that won't even be in it...

Any other dev and you'd have detailed writeups of what they've changed or added, how it works, screenshots etc. Really makes you wonder whether they're anticipating a negative reception. If all they have to show for it really is just a new playable character, a handful of animations and in game currencies I imagine their subs will drop like flies.
Rebuild was announced as complete less than a month ago and there is some stuff that needs to be done between completing rebuild and going into alpha but they stated they're prepping for next alpha season soon.

It is completely pointless to complain about artist related progress reports because those occur separately from the issue of the rebuild and alpha update. They're just something extra to show off while we wait. Helius did post a progress report yesterday showing that they're currently working on map based interactions for the club map.

Your last paragraph is false. Normally, small teams do not do this in alpha phase. Look at VAM 2.x which sees almost no progress reports for many months at a time or even professional developers such as Illusion at the forefront of the porn game industry who only begins to share any info at all about 30-60 days before release for hype. Hell, AAA devs usually range from poor or inconsistent communication and droughts to showering us in info two weeks before release. It really depends. If you can't handle alpha and beta states of games you should just wait until full release. This isn't anything new so you can stop exaggerating. We see the same crap with Final Fantasy VII: Remake even. It's stupid.
 

Purple_Heart

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No, she has a trailer coming out soon. Galatea and Elizabeth will be getting the pole dance trailer like the other characters recently have. Galatea's model has been tweaked and finished after Steam approval finally and they are currently doing mocap for her. We've already seen a more recent screenshot if you want to search the discord for it.

The trailer should be either coming out this month, per promise, or more likely next month due to the change and bundling it with Elizabeth's trailer.

No, she was made taller but it was too tall so they made her shorter again, just enough to not be a problem for Steam. As far as he has hinted at nothing has been done to her appearance of age, and the backside certainly looks like a young adult just like before. We will see her in a video, soon.

Rebuild was announced as complete less than a month ago and there is some stuff that needs to be done between completing rebuild and going into alpha but they stated they're prepping for next alpha season soon.

It is completely pointless to complain about artist related progress reports because those occur separately from the issue of the rebuild and alpha update. They're just something extra to show off while we wait. Helius did post a progress report yesterday showing that they're currently working on map based interactions for the club map.

Your last paragraph is false. Normally, small teams do not do this in alpha phase. Look at VAM 2.x which sees almost no progress reports for many months at a time or even professional developers such as Illusion at the forefront of the porn game industry who only begins to share any info at all about 30-60 days before release for hype. Hell, AAA devs usually range from poor or inconsistent communication and droughts to showering us in info two weeks before release. It really depends. If you can't handle alpha and beta states of games you should just wait until full release. This isn't anything new so you can stop exaggerating. We see the same crap with Final Fantasy VII: Remake even. It's stupid.
This post seems like cope: the post.

You say the girl has been made taller to "not be a problem for steam" in one sentence and then say
"nothing has been done to her appearance of age" literally in the next sentence. What :WaitWhat:

In another sentence "they're just something extra to show off" as if the girl in question hasn't been promised for so long. Has it been years? Actually, I don't want to know.

And in your last paragraph you compare a patreon backed game developer to other normal game developers. Those developers don't need money from patreon to do their jobs. Helius on the other hand needs it to survive. This is why the person you've quoted is right. If they aren't providing any details on this supposedly "done" progress, this has a high chance of being another lie. There is literally no reason for Helius to be so secretive, unless they want to go bankrupt.
 
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Nihil5320

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Your last paragraph is false. Normally, small teams do not do this in alpha phase. Look at VAM 2.x which sees almost no progress reports for many months at a time or even professional developers such as Illusion at the forefront of the porn game industry who only begins to share any info at all about 30-60 days before release for hype. Hell, AAA devs usually range from poor or inconsistent communication and droughts to showering us in info two weeks before release. It really depends. If you can't handle alpha and beta states of games you should just wait until full release. This isn't anything new so you can stop exaggerating. We see the same crap with Final Fantasy VII: Remake even. It's stupid.
Sorry I probably should have qualified that final statement with "crowd funded developers," I presumed that was a given.

Obviously AAA devs or even devs like MeshedVR/Illusion, who are selling an actual product, don't have the same obligation or incentives to detail ongoing development. Frankly comparing a Patreon dev's limited updates to those of a self-funded project like FFVII to try and justify it is idiotic.

Rebuild was announced as complete less than a month ago and there is some stuff that needs to be done between completing rebuild and going into alpha but they stated they're prepping for next alpha season soon.

It is completely pointless to complain about artist related progress reports because those occur separately from the issue of the rebuild and alpha update. They're just something extra to show off while we wait. Helius did post a progress report yesterday showing that they're currently working on map based interactions for the club map.
I was commenting on the fact that a "Rebuild Progress Report" doesn't actually report on rebuild progress... that is a little dumb, whichever way you try and spin it.

Ultimately they've had a nine month break from putting out builds and during that time frame they have provided vanishingly little detail as to what in the ever living fuck they've actually been doing. So far we have a playable character and outfits, some animations, some in-game currencies, a vaginal/anal dilation system and... possibly a new map? Some unspecified changes to the games framework?

Compare that to even relatively maligned devs like those behind Subverse and in the same timeframe they've pumped out six detailed dev diaries and multiple new characters and story arcs. Or Our Apartment, a team with the barest sliver of Helius' funding, has completely rebuilt their framework (with a detailed breakdown of why and what changed) and released multiple builds to boot with numerous detailed updates on progress.

Any other dev I'd maybe chalk it up to bad comms, but given the shit Helius has pulled over the years? Colour me sceptical until they release some actual solid detail on what they've done.
 

BananaJK

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With how harem mode is essentially exposing yourself to other dudes jacking off that's plenty gay already.
"Hey dude wanna see which position i jacking off to right now?"
"WOH So fucking hot,I'm gonna jacking to it too ma friend!"
Sound so weired LOL
 
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Nihil5320

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Nah, idiotic is the person complaining about something that is only in alpha not giving updates every 5 minutes and acting like they're going to go under because they didn't appease your ADHD riddled nature. Clearly, the fact that they haven't tried to falsely hype things up with false claims, showcases, etc. nor have they complained about finances they aren't having a problem financially at the moment. Hell, we don't even know the full details of their financial situation despite your assumptions its crowd funded so they have to constantly appeal to you guys. You must have missed all of the major offers they had come there way with significant funding outside Patreon they've repeatedly been okay with passing up. Hint hint, I don't think you should be concerned lil guy.
Are you dense? We know it's crowd funded, it is literally on a crowd funding website and it was among the first to be added to Patreon.

I'm not overly concerned about them running out of money, they're obviously not going to any time soon given the number of subs, but how they received that money gives them an obligation to detail their work that isn't present for self-funded titles like Illusion's or from AAA devs like Square Enix.

And yes Helius has made claims about external investors but he's also claimed he worked for Google and Bethesda, that MIT were letting him (a Chinese porn game dev) use their mocap lab, that xvideos had approached him about platforming his game, that the game would be released in 2016... let's just say you should probably take it with a pinch of salt.

Funny, because I've seen fluid, Erotes club, various character, mocap, and other details shared while they have made quite clear the most important focus was rebuild due to game performance issues, server issues, and bugs which aren't exactly something that you just get to show off constantly. Where you been if you missed this?
Fluid dynamics were in earlier builds and removed, reworking it (or just buying something off Unreal marketplace) isn't exactly a major feature. And what mocap? I've seen posts about them supposedly buying mocap equipment, yet the one video they've posted with a strip scene isn't mocapped and the animation is pulled from Origins?

Erotes hasn't even been confirmed as being in the rebuild, it would certainly make sense if it is but it's not included in :

"Deus ex Machina contains a new player avatar, 50 new sex scenes, 3 new monsters, 8 new outfits and an assortment of in game currencies. It is free to all supporters who have claimed the steam key before phase 2 starts."

Maybe their rebuild really does come with a drastically improved framework and implementation of basic performance features they missed the first time round, like culling and LODs, but that's certainly not detailed anywhere I've seen. What they have stated equates to little more than "it'll be better bros, trust me."

You're really considering something simple like Subverse and comparing it with Fallen Doll's project? What, are you going to compare 2D Mario games with GTA V next? How stupid. You're at least consistent about being consistently ridiculous and short-sighted.

Oh, but you didn't do it just once in one breath. No, you then compared it to Our Apartment, granted its certainly closer than your laughable Subverse comparison. Does Our Apartment have any type of server or multiplayer elements or infrastucture? No? How about in terms of sheer technical prowess such as graphics? No? Perhaps in terms of feature and content? Not even this? Wait, why were you comparing these two projects again?

Yeah, I keep hearing about this so called fabled "shit" he has pulled over the years but there seems to be no evidence provided to back it up despite people repeatedly asking. Instead, we see made up dates, bad info to mislead, and an incredibly poor grasp of early development from people expecting a polished and ready to release product already. Need we mention that a lot of the attempts to blame Helius were based on community votes? Heh. A bunch of clowns.
It sounds more like you've gone and drowned yourself in the kool-aid. Both Subverse and Our Apartment have far more complicated gameplay systems than the current build of Fallen Doll, sure the latter has some basic (and badly implemented) network functionality but it's not like that is exceptionally hard to implement in UE.

This might shock you but having high quality models does not equate to "sheer technical prowess." Helius certainly has some skilled 3D artists on staff, I don't think anybody has questioned that, the issue is that he seems to be woefully incapable of implementing anything that resembles a functional game with the assets they've produced.
 

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This is kind of why it's annoying to argue with more recent patrons, but I'll try and explain in case you're actually here in good faith and not just acting like a troll.

Or they've announced they've finished the core aspects of the rebuild and are getting near the point of prepping season 2 and incorporating extra content before deciding what info they will drop because it would suck to claim something and then it had to be held back last minute due to any number of reasons. Really, clearly you have no experience with beta or early access games, and sure as hell not alpha state.
If it's done, it's done. They can screen cap it and show it. If it gets clawed back before release? "Hey, this made performance suck/wasn't polished as we like/Crashed during online endurance testing/Content no longer supported on this platform". Crisis Point Extinction did exactly that with a monster like the Hellhound. It was shown off, then pulled back since Patreon didn't like it. Say what you will about that projects dev time, transparency really helps keep the dev credible. Also, if you make a claim like that give at least an example, or you just look like a tool declaring that on your own merits.


You're simply trying to remove my statement from context for your pathetic whine post. Dude, you have 500+ pages of you bitching. Clearly you guys care. You all are the ones trying to cope. It's pathetic.
Many people here are ex backers, and many came from here. Yeah, you're gonna see bitching here if people feel they were scammed, did you just expect people to not say anything?

This comment deserves a reward for being fantastically and utterly f'ing stupid. If you've followed the game at all, and you clearly have with your obsession, she has been held up due to Steam and Patreon due to her younger appearance. What precisely do you think Helius should have done to force her through? Nothing much because he can't do shit but change her design which the supporters don't want. Helius has had to push Steam to allow her and try to make as small tweaks as possible to get it to pass. You're going to look stupid AF if the trailer comes out with her being all but 99% the same soon, now aren't you? Do you even realize how idiotic this comment was, and we're talking multiple layers of pure stupid?
The criticism here is on the decision to use steam after rejecting sites like dlsite for their censorship.
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It's very hypocritical to avoid those platforms, which fairly openly allow uncensor patches, and then go for steam which censors whole characters like this and is trying to crack down on those patches. Obviously it was since steam will make more money, but just say that. Don't pull one over on your supporters.

Yeah, I keep hearing about this so called fabled "shit" he has pulled over the years but there seems to be no evidence provided to back it up despite people repeatedly asking. Instead, we see made up dates, bad info to mislead, and an incredibly poor grasp of early development from people expecting a polished and ready to release product already. Need we mention that a lot of the attempts to blame Helius were based on community votes? Heh. A bunch of clowns.
See here for stuff like lying about being at google and bethesda. He was just an online modder and translator when he started all this. Those companies are recent claims, no way he was working at them in any serious way while also making his game full time. He also just generally loves to namedrop big companies without anything to back it up. Or broken promises like this. Or read some pages here for other stuff, like you said there's 100's of pages of it.

You must have missed all of the major offers they had come there way with significant funding outside Patreon they've repeatedly been okay with passing up. Hint hint, I don't think you should be concerned lil guy.
Read farther back here. Him potentially taking outside investment has been a common thread of criticism since it means his backers don't get as much input as they should have. It's not some gotcha for Helius being a great dude.

No, she has a trailer coming out soon. Galatea and Elizabeth will be getting the pole dance trailer like the other characters recently have. Galatea's model has been tweaked and finished after Steam approval finally and they are currently doing mocap for her. We've already seen a more recent screenshot if you want to search the discord for it.

The trailer should be either coming out this month, per promise, or more likely next month due to the change and bundling it with Elizabeth's trailer.
Galatea and Yanshi were both loli's as stated by Helius, see here. Galateas lore also explicitly mentions shes a child stand in.
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This obviously irked steam since that's a hard no from them. Yanshi is getting more of a pass since Helius was quieter on her, but Gala's approval was only ever for the sfw campaign with scenes being case by case. And that was a usual Helius "Post something big at the end of the month to try and get two rounds of subs from people" post, nothing too credible.
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I'd be excited to see either get to steam since that could easily get this taken down and then maybe things go to a distributor who won't censor anything, but hey. With the sfw campaign gone we'll see how much she sticks around.

No, she was made taller but it was too tall so they made her shorter again, just enough to not be a problem for Steam. As far as he has hinted at nothing has been done to her appearance of age, and the backside certainly looks like a young adult just like before. We will see her in a video, soon.
But yeah, nothing about her original design was "Young adult", so if that's what you're assuming here you're out of the loop. That's the aged up aspect people are talking about. Read more before you assume your couple months of knowledge makes you an expert on this project.

As for the network functionality, also not a selling point. People didn't want that and still don't. It causing issues isn't an excuse or a good reason for delays, it's the issue people wanted to avoid.


Also, unrelated but in terms of updates there's a new text game that's causing arguments in the Cap chat.
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