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With how harem mode is essentially exposing yourself to other dudes jacking off that's plenty gay already.
Unreal Engine Fallen Doll: Operation Lovecraft [v0.4.9 Cracked] [Project Helius]
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"Hey dude wanna see which position i jacking off to right now?"
"WOH So fucking hot,I'm gonna jacking to it too ma friend!"
Sound so weired LOL
Are you dense? We know it's crowd funded, it is literally on a crowd funding website and it was among the first to be added to Patreon.
I'm not overly concerned about them running out of money, they're obviously not going to any time soon given the number of subs, but how they received that money gives them an obligation to detail their work that isn't present for self-funded titles like Illusion's or from AAA devs like Square Enix.
And yes Helius has made claims about external investors but he's also claimed he worked for Google and Bethesda, that MIT were letting him (a Chinese porn game dev) use their mocap lab, that xvideos had approached him about platforming his game, that the game would be released in 2016... let's just say you should probably take it with a pinch of salt.
Fluid dynamics were in earlier builds and removed, reworking it (or just buying something off Unreal marketplace) isn't exactly a major feature. And what mocap? I've seen posts about them supposedly buying mocap equipment, yet the one video they've posted with a strip scene isn't mocapped and the animation is pulled from Origins?
Erotes hasn't even been confirmed as being in the rebuild, it would certainly make sense if it is but it's not included in
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:"Deus ex Machina contains a new player avatar, 50 new sex scenes, 3 new monsters, 8 new outfits and an assortment of in game currencies. It is free to all supporters who have claimed the steam key before phase 2 starts."
Maybe their rebuild really does come with a drastically improved framework and implementation of basic performance features they missed the first time round, like culling and LODs, but that's certainly not detailed anywhere I've seen. What they have stated equates to little more than "it'll be better bros, trust me."
It sounds more like you've gone and drowned yourself in the kool-aid. Both Subverse and Our Apartment have far more complicated gameplay systems than the current build of Fallen Doll, sure the latter has some basic (and badly implemented) network functionality but it's not like that is exceptionally hard to implement in UE.
This might shock you but having high quality models does not equate to "sheer technical prowess." Helius certainly has some skilled 3D artists on staff, I don't think anybody has questioned that, the issue is that he seems to be woefully incapable of implementing anything that resembles a functional game with the assets they've produced.
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This is kind of why it's annoying to argue with more recent patrons, but I'll try and explain in case you're actually here in good faith and not just acting like a troll.
It's very hypocritical to avoid those platforms, which fairly openly allow uncensor patches, and then go for steam which censors whole characters like this and is trying to crack down on those patches. Obviously it was since steam will make more money, but just say that. Don't pull one over on your supporters.
This obviously irked steam since that's a hard no from them. Yanshi is getting more of a pass since Helius was quieter on her, but Gala's approval was only ever for the sfw campaign with scenes being case by case. And that was a usual Helius "Post something big at the end of the month to try and get two rounds of subs from people" post, nothing too credible.
I'd be excited to see either get to steam since that could easily get this taken down and then maybe things go to a distributor who won't censor anything, but hey. With the sfw campaign gone we'll see how much she sticks around.
As for the network functionality, also not a selling point. People didn't want that and still don't. It causing issues isn't an excuse or a good reason for delays, it's the issue people wanted to avoid.
Also, unrelated but in terms of updates there's a new text game that's causing arguments in the Cap chat.
This is kind of why it's annoying to argue with more recent patrons, but I'll try and explain in case you're actually here in good faith and not just acting like a troll.
If it's done, it's done. They can screen cap it and show it. If it gets clawed back before release? "Hey, this made performance suck/wasn't polished as we like/Crashed during online endurance testing/Content no longer supported on this platform". Crisis Point Extinction did exactly that with a monster like the Hellhound. It was shown off, then pulled back since Patreon didn't like it. Say what you will about that projects dev time, transparency really helps keep the dev credible. Also, if you make a claim like that give at least an example, or you just look like a tool declaring that on your own merits.
Many people here are ex backers, and many came from here. Yeah, you're gonna see bitching here if people feel they were scammed, did you just expect people to not say anything?
The criticism here is on the decision to use steam after rejecting sites like dlsite for their censorship.
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See here for stuff like lying about being at google and bethesda. He was just an online modder and translator when he started all this. Those companies are recent claims, no way he was working at them in any serious way while also making his game full time. He also just generally loves to namedrop big companies without anything to back it up. Or broken promises like this. Or read some pages here for other stuff, like you said there's 100's of pages of it.
Read farther back here. Him potentially taking outside investment has been a common thread of criticism since it means his backers don't get as much input as they should have. It's not some gotcha for Helius being a great dude.
Galatea and Yanshi were both loli's as stated by Helius, see here. Galateas lore also explicitly mentions shes a child stand in.
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But yeah, nothing about her original design was "Young adult", so if that's what you're assuming here you're out of the loop. That's the aged up aspect people are talking about. Read more before you assume your couple months of knowledge makes you an expert on this project.
As for the network functionality, also not a selling point. People didn't want that and still don't. It causing issues isn't an excuse or a good reason for delays, it's the issue people wanted to avoid.
Also, unrelated but in terms of updates there's a new text game that's causing arguments in the Cap chat.
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That is presuming it's actually true. I must admit I don't tend to follow discord where most of the wilder and less substantiated claims are usually made but every time I've seen allusions to some kind of third-party investor it's been to use them as scapegoats for unpopular decisions. Seems just as likely to be a cheap way of trying to deflect responsibility for stuff like pushing online mode, F2P mechanics, SFW campaign etc.
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I liked your post for the effort of explaining things in a nice manner and finding all those images, posts etc.
> the girl was made taller because of steam
> at the same time they somehow magically didn't change her appearance
> dOnT tAkE mY wOrDs OuT oF cOnTeXt
> y-you are obssessed!!!
Let me tell you something, I don't care about this game. I've downloaded it from here a long time ago.
The only reason I'm here is to point out inconsistencies in the stories of "defenders of justice" guys like you.
I can't help it, I just love the sight of you guys going out of your discord echo chamber every once in a while only to get shocked when facing the reality. Then you immediately feel the need to defend your own echo chambers because we are "the baddies who like to shit on a game for 500 pages".
That's a lot of assumptions about someone you don't even know, mr. defender of justice.
Also, your post has lots of insults, because I said cope?
If that's the case, cope harder
Looking at the state of this project, I wouldn't do a play test for Helius even if they paid me to do it.
I would rather test actual games, not scam looking projects which holds no value to me whatsoever.
It was kinda surreal to read the stuff about outside investors in a positive light considering how much of a hot button issue that was for long time with the censorship it could bring a project like this. At some point you gotta realize some of the more recent ardent supporters just weren't here for much of the bad and the discord does a great job pretending many posts just weren't made. I mean many of the standards people want to hold this to, and comparisons made, aren't those of other projects. Just this project in the past.
Also, in terms of screen shots and the like I find no value in a he said she said. All this happened in a semi-piblic chat, let people see it. It does suck how much Helius can get away with deleting if people weren't watching at the time to screen cap it, though there's usually still some fragments since like everything else he's averse to putting in any effort or diligence these days.
BobKilan this guy is so funny.
He doesn't know he's supporting a project of shit since they implemented Harem mode. SAD
He doesn't know he's supporting a project of shit since they implemented Harem mode. SAD
Oh really? You and others keep freaking out about how they need to offer updates and they're hemorrhaging supporters otherwise they're going to... fucking what exactly? What exactly are you inferring here? Obviously, its financial hardship. This isn't rocket science.
What we call this is hypocrisy, but I'm the dense one aren't I.
In truth, we don't know but what we do know is there is substantial evidence they aren't financially hurting like you guys act. You can stop using that argument now. That ship sailed and sunk.
Below are some Discord posts related to your claim. The prior system had issues and so they rebuilt it and improved it and this was already shared and even shown a few clips and photos contrary to your dense failure to grasp this.
Hell, all you had to do was search discord by the term 'fluid' and you could have found this or actually kept up with the Discord channel instead of making ignorant claims that you didn't know better simply because of your own failure to keep up with what has been shared or at least asking.
I'm not even going to honor this comment with quoted evidence. They've posted so much about mocap work being done and have shown numerous clips of it, too. Even a basic search would have told you this immediately. Hell, they have progress reports showing off end of mocap session random dances with Alet among other things if you bothered to check. On this point alone it validates your not even trying to be honest and just trying to bitch.
and the forum is adding a quote block no matter how many times I remove itErotes hasn't even been confirmed as being in the rebuild, it would certainly make sense if it is but it's not included inYou must be registered to see the links:[/QUOTES]
I have no idea if Erotes will be in the immediate rebuild launch or if it will be added a bit later, but that isn't actually relevant to what I said. I merely pointed out they have been providing updates of what they have been working on and while we don't know when Erotes, itself, will drop or if that will be a later content update we have seen a few updates regarding it with info, photos, and video.
Could they communicate better? Of course, and this was already stated. No one is disagreeing that communication could be further improved. This is true of even AAA devs and as you were shown absolutely fucking true for Patreon projects. It could also be worse, as was also shown compared to other projects.
I'm not sure what point this bit here is intended to convey, but yeah they have more content coming out. They apparently have even more than this with over 300 animations mentioned but they haven't clarified how they plan to distribute this content. It could be seasonal prepared in advance or still rough work in progress. Beats the heck out of me, though not a big issue either way as the one you listed above is already quite sizable compared to Illusion games or many other competing projects.
They've talked about it but there is a limit to what they can share because not everyone is a programmer. They can't just drop complex comments about how they optimized this and that. In addition, showing a video comparison would be useful but no more than saying
The truth of the matter is this is about the best that can be offered until people get their hands on it to see how it genuinely impacts them.
That said, they did miss basic performance optimization during the first round of alpha and this was something Helius openly discussed and knew needed to be addressed at some point but they wanted to get it up and going first, working online for people otherwise people would bitch about it being further delayed and- oh, shit that is precisely what is happening now. Well fuck.
The community, as a whole, is quite fucking aware performance was not acceptable. Why are you even continuing to discuss this, especially for a project that is still fucking alpha?
Shit, the desperation is real. To actually suggest those have more complicated gameplay, or more appropriately more complicated fucking code. Hell, just the netcode is more complex than much of either of those games. Subverse is borderline comparable to a game from the 1990s at that.
You are simply too desperate. While Our Apartment is certainly a step up from Subverse, again, it isn't even close to the same league as even alpha Fallen Doll and the fact you try to pretend it is absolutely shreds any ounce of credibility your arguments hold in this thread, indefinitely.
This might shock you but if you think it looks as good as it currently does just because of some mere higher quality assets then you should gtfo of this discussion and stop trying to speak about tech you don't know shit about. Rendering capability of the two engines aside, Our Apartment also lacks any online related programming and its systems are fairly static. This is despite Our Apartment's project being clearly further along.
Then again, a core problem with most of your comments is you try to make inadequate and outright ignorant comparisons that are either out of context, factually false, ignore the situations involving game development hurdles and need to change, assume this is a developer with blah blah experience, blah blah team size, can't possibly mess up, will perform flawlessly in one go and is equal to every other team, is working on a project that is similar in challenge from design, technological, artistic nature, to a basic and total failure to grasp EA/alpha/beta processes.
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Most developers would disagree with you. We almost never see this happen, anywhere, ever. That isn't to say it doesn't, but that most do not agree with this stance of yours. This is especially true because of issues like Galatea and the horse which Helius has mentioned numerous times regret ever talking about that early because of being held back and people really wanting these along with any possible update on them they could get. However, we have seen them show clips, screenshots, and text updates of some parts they're highly confident in sharing at the time. They have discussed the performance issues, too, and also presented updated info about it. Nothing about this paragraph of yours is even remotely accurate.
Doesn't make bitching about stuff that isn't true just to drum up hate any better. If they want to whine at least make it based on the truth and also fucking valid which so much of it hasn't been, hence the problem. No one ever said they couldn't complain or that the project has been without flaw.
The way you think the term 'hypocritical' should be used is not the way it should actually be used. They have also not said they will not release on those platforms, but that they simply aren't the priority at the moment. Obviously, they find it easier for them and more accessible to do it on Steam first, and they have been very clear they will release on other platforms in the future once it is far enough along. Again, you're wrong. The issue of outside patches has also been discussed, a lot, and while it would be nice if it already happened there are valid reasons for it not being done yet, as well. Obviously the situation isn't totally ideal and we aren't the ones developing this project or engaging with these storefronts about this project so we don't know the full details involved as to why they've gone the route they have for the time being. Assuming otherwise and making poor ill-informed assumptions such as yours is what is truly hypocritical.
Quite literally, nothing you posted and sourced there proves anything you just claimed. Since when can people not exist outside of their work with hobbies, side projects, and such? You don't know how much the person was working on the game or what other work they were balancing with it. This wouldn't be the first time something like this happened where a solo dev or small team had real full time jobs but also developed their game on the side. In fact, this is how many Patreon projects work because they don't necessarily always rake in enough cash to quit their day jobs, so to say.
About your second link regarding season pass I'm having difficulty digesting wtf you're trying to communicate. From what I can scrape up you have issues with some conflicting info about season pass related contents but you clearly haven't asked Helius about it. I can understand being confused but just an fyi you should raise the issue with Helius or itsmiya directly to get some feedback if your concerns are justified. Even recently Helius was reworking the Patreon tier updates and accidentally had it as Capitalist+ not getting the season content forever and when it was raised Helius basically said oops and went to fix it. Try asking and seeing what the situation actually is? For now I'm going to skip this point until more info is known and, perhaps, until you produce a much more coherent post about the subject, at least on the level of this current post of yours.
Welcome to the world of Patreon, or general game development. While I see your point to a degree, it isn't really reflective of real world even if it was Patreon only sourced. Projects can change, for instance, and ideally if they want to create a bigger better more demanding product then looking towards other financial support options may be necessary or we might get something like fucking Subverse or the basic and dated Our Apartment. This is a subject that has a lot of discussion possible though, so I can't really just wrap it up properly in a single quick go or say any given way is absolutely right. It is complex.
I don't know the exact point you were trying to make in response to what you quoted from my post, but hopefully we see her drop. She has definitely seen some hurdles.
Quite the irony in your post, hm? They've also been very clear from the moment she was introduced she isn't a child, or even a loli, but a younger looking adult. They've actually been sharply clear about this point to avoid issues. What you quoted from the lore does nothing to indicate otherwise. She is also the oldest android last I was aware. Of course, you wanted to educate me while missing all of these points as you repeatedly try to stress my lack of familiarity with the project that you apparently know so much about.
We are well aware the issue of the online mode is divisive. Personally? I don't care either way, and some of the reasons against it are frankly quite stupid. Is it necessary to add it to the game though? Debatable. I can see where they're coming from but actually making it meaningfully relevant still remains to be seen. We're still to early in to fully judge.
It causing issues is a fucking good reason for delays. The Harem mode is a core part of the project. They're still not entirely sure there will even be a non-Harem mode like gallery down the road. If you don't like waiting on it then wait until the game is further along. Again, this is a fucking alpha stage game. Actual alpha of full blown developers are regularly this level of fucked and worse. If you can't handle pre-release simply get off this train for now.
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"Stop requesting updates from Project H. They don't need to deliver the updates they promised to the people who are giving them money. It's okay for them to lie and release features nobody asked for. You people who criticize them are evil, I believe in Project H and will continue to write walls of text to defend him until this game releases 20 years from now."
Totally agree, I want to see BobKilan been disappointed by Helius later or early
Not my first alpha, beta, or early access title. I'm not going to throw a fit if it takes time to, you know, make the damn game. I'll come back when it updates, enjoy those periods, and go away until it updates again or finally is finished being developed and releases because that is the entire damn point.
What is laughable is the fact no one here seems to be able to present a legitimate argument and it turns out its all tantrums over bs.
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Quite the irony in your post, hm? They've also been very clear from the moment she was introduced she isn't a child, or even a loli, but a younger looking adult. They've actually been sharply clear about this point to avoid issues. What you quoted from the lore does nothing to indicate otherwise. She is also the oldest android last I was aware. Of course, you wanted to educate me while missing all of these points as you repeatedly try to stress my lack of familiarity with the project that you apparently know so much about.
This right here mentions "CHILDLESS couples" nothing about being a young adult there mate.
ALSO,Quite the irony in your post, hm? They've also been very clear from the moment she was introduced she isn't a child, or even a loli, but a younger looking adult. They've actually been sharply clear about this point to avoid issues. What you quoted from the lore does nothing to indicate otherwise. She is also the oldest android last I was aware. Of course, you wanted to educate me while missing all of these points as you repeatedly try to stress my lack of familiarity with the project that you apparently know so much about.
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Kind of puts it into perspective. I remember around 2 years ago when I decided to pledge when he said "Galatea's model was ready". And the only thing we've been getting since then is Anya and more concept art and 'confirmed' milf body type characters.
Would be funny if someone like KiraTV makes a video docu about this whole scam.
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No amount of logical argument or cold hard evidence will get through to people who have fallen into copium addiction.
Gotta admit the PH scam team is doing a solid job keeping most newcomers in the dark.
Gotta admit the PH scam team is doing a solid job keeping most newcomers in the dark.
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I actually didn't know the lore on Galatea, what da hell
This right here mentions "CHILDLESS couples" nothing about being a young adult there mate.
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Gotta say looking from the outside at this more than 500-page thread feels surreal, seeing people write essays to argue about stuff my god, it makes me wish I can jump in and give my opinion, but reading back in the thread and trying to understand what people are arguing about feels like too much effort
Anyway good luck guys.
Anyway good luck guys.