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BobKilan

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WOAH you won't believe what just happened Helius did a last-minute announcement to plug the leak!

I can't wait for the next year of nothing to be "working on the unreal 5 update"
Shouldn't happen. Pasix said the UE5 build is being worked on independently from the UE4 build so there shouldn't be any possible related delay.

Well they're working on a method of selling... not entirely convinced they are going to have much in the way of a product to sell yet.

Still seems like it's going to be an animation viewer only now with an extra map, character and the animations gated with the grind yeeted up to 11 accordingly. Something tells me their solution to the grind complaints is going to involve a few layers of purchasable currency.
Not sure if you played the current one but it didn't have that much grind and a big part of it was the daily's don't work right always which should obviously get fixed at some point. They did say they will improve it further but so far nothing at all indicates any type of paywall to deal with content unlocks. They will have an afk grind function, too.

It does look like it will be largely a sex viewer, but so is most Illusion games, VaM, and most other popular sex games. If you want gameplay you should look for another game, or really something that isn't porn.
Well guess what update 2 is about lol.

Damn looking at this i had the immense feeling "I can't run this".
Ever played VaM? Looks similar only a bit prettier due to shaders. Shouldn't be an issue to run at all. What I don't like is we don't get to see a prototype of how it will impact the look of existing characters in the UE5 sample previews so it does nothing for us to coordinate any expectations. We just get some random character shown. The character is pretty but a big departure from what we see in the current UE4 game so its hard to know what to expect.
 

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What the fuck
That may be the worst self-pleasure animation I've ever seen
Come on for fuck's sake it's not that fucking hard to make that work
If that's what they have when the next release was already supposed to be out however long ago, we won't see a proper update this year mark my fucking words. Either that or it's going to be shit nowhere near the quality of 0.34
 

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Not sure if you played the current one but it didn't have that much grind and a big part of it was the daily's don't work right always which should obviously get fixed at some point. They did say they will improve it further but so far nothing at all indicates any type of paywall to deal with content unlocks. They will have an afk grind function, too.

It does look like it will be largely a sex viewer, but so is most Illusion games, VaM, and most other popular sex games. If you want gameplay you should look for another game, or really something that isn't porn.
What are you on about? The current build is grindy as absolute fuck, which is a real achievement given that it contains virtually zero content.

I'd also say the implementation of a literal paywall is suggestive of the fact they'll be having a paywall... unless you think the in game store is going to be so you can do your grocery shopping whilst jacking off in FD multiplayer.

Illusion games and VaM are also largely built around supporting mods, which extends the games. This game does not and will not support mods.

Although that's a bit of a moot point since this game was initially sold as a puzzler/lovecraftian themed horror game with porn elements, then as an xcom style battler with brothel/management sim elements, then as some sort of team based card battler... but sure, the people that paid for this game as advertised should just fuck off and play something else when Helius can't deliver.
 

ShadowChanSeh

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Not sure if you played the current one but it didn't have that much grind and a big part of it was the daily's don't work right always which should obviously get fixed at some point. They did say they will improve it further but so far nothing at all indicates any type of paywall to deal with content unlocks. They will have an afk grind function, too.
Ah yes, more delusions from the guy that said there was never any hint nor mention of the fact that Galatea was always meant to be a loli especially not from the great and mighty Helius himself.
 
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ji9999

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the game looks so promising but too bad that it is a forever tech demo/sex scene viewer after a lot of hype and promises .....
 

Terix3

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Ever played VaM? Looks similar only a bit prettier due to shaders. Shouldn't be an issue to run at all. What I don't like is we don't get to see a prototype of how it will impact the look of existing characters in the UE5 sample previews so it does nothing for us to coordinate any expectations. We just get some random character shown. The character is pretty but a big departure from what we see in the current UE4 game so its hard to know what to expect.
I didn't but from what I've seen VAM doesn't have much in terms of environment rendering nor it really has many actors on screen at one time. FD is kinda supposed to have 10-20 at one time +shaders, reflections what not.

Although that's a bit of a moot point since this game was initially sold as a puzzler/lovecraftian themed horror game with porn elements, then as an xcom style battler with brothel/management sim elements, then as some sort of team based card battler... but sure, the people that paid for this game as advertised should just fuck off and play something else when Helius can't deliver.
I don't think people cared all that much for gameplay to begin with. It would be nice be able to associate the characters with personality via some sort of campaign but i think it's extra rather than being reason for supporting the game.
 

Nihil5320

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I don't think people cared all that much for gameplay to begin with. It would be nice be able to associate the characters with personality via some sort of campaign but i think it's extra rather than being reason for supporting the game.
I think it depends on the user, personally I like projects that blend gameplay and porn and from I've seen on here most users aren't overly positive toward the game becoming a pure animation viewer. If I just wanted a sex sim I'd get illusion games which are basically the same but with more character customization, mods, wider variety of maps/animations etc.

Even then illusion games have some gameplay to spread things out a bit and build on characters. As a pure animation viewer without mods this game is going to get old really, really fast and it seems Helius is hell bent on selling loot boxes/bundles/season passes or whatever so... eh.

Fortunately it's a niche that games like Wild Life, Carnal Instinct and Our Apartment have come to fill in Fallen Doll's place but it's still a pretty major shortcoming in the project that Helius can't implement any but the most basic of features.
 

BobKilan

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What are you on about? The current build is grindy as absolute fuck, which is a real achievement given that it contains virtually zero content.

I'd also say the implementation of a literal paywall is suggestive of the fact they'll be having a paywall... unless you think the in game store is going to be so you can do your grocery shopping whilst jacking off in FD multiplayer.

Illusion games and VaM are also largely built around supporting mods, which extends the games. This game does not and will not support mods.

Although that's a bit of a moot point since this game was initially sold as a puzzler/lovecraftian themed horror game with porn elements, then as an xcom style battler with brothel/management sim elements, then as some sort of team based card battler... but sure, the people that paid for this game as advertised should just fuck off and play something else when Helius can't deliver.
You can be level 80+ in only a few days of playing a bit. Unless your goal is to unlock everything the day you start playing, which is f'ing absurd, then no its not that grind intensive. Especially true since one of the core exp systems wasn't even working for most, daily's. Cato and others have constantly tried to correct you people on Discord about grinding. I've only 4 hours, myself, and am over level 30. Again, they're implementing an AFK grind feature which will further reduce the grind. We get it. You're here to complain not produce valid discussion.

Apparently the beta, which already has far more content than any fucking Illusion game ever has, is zero content and we already got 4 more characters about to release over this next year with some dropping very soon once Soonium actually happens.

Yet FD still has more content than Illusion games which only have a small list of poses that are equal for every character and usually its all mf, a few lesb and threesome, and often 2-3 mmf and in one or two Illusion games you get maybe 1-2 mmmf animations. Meanwhile, a single character like Alet has more partners and total poses than an entire Illusion game, but okay "no content." Obviously we're in a content drought until this dang update releases but its not likely its a year going totally without. The demo still has solid content so maybe stop being unreasonable?

Illusion games don't usually add content via mods. They add functionality and cosmetic attire support. VaM is another disaster entirely intended to offer 3rd party support but you can see the massive drop in quality compared to something like FD, Wildlife, or almost any other project really. VaM sells exclusively on a promise which it has not achieved to date and is currently stuck in limbo much like FD.

Really? Funny, because the original game was sold strictly as a porn game, aka Fallen Doll. It had nothing to do with what you claim. Those were added in later and are still on the table with info being shared on occasion but their development has had to wait on this blasted update first. Most people paid for the game for the sex portion. Whether they end up permanently dropping the strategy non-sexual portion of the game in the long run or not who knows but game development doesn't happen over night so you can stop acting like a child. That element isn't even that old and we have been well aware its been waiting on this portion. You can moan about advertising blah blah but first you might want to get your facts right. Next, you might want to learn how Patreon works. Not gonna spend all day arguing with you though. You're intentions are perfectly clear. If you think its false advertising and not delivering go find something else and move on already. Obviously, the fact you are still here hundreds of forum pages later indicates you're quite the die hard advocate though, no matter how you want to spin it.
 

BobKilan

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Ah yes, more delusions from the guy that said there was never any hint nor mention of the fact that Galatea was always meant to be a loli especially not from the great and mighty Helius himself.
Sorry you can't read. Keep failing. You were even corrected with actual quoted info which you can go dig up in prior posts yourself. Moving on.

I didn't but from what I've seen VAM doesn't have much in terms of environment rendering nor it really has many actors on screen at one time. FD is kinda supposed to have 10-20 at one time +shaders, reflections what not.


I don't think people cared all that much for gameplay to begin with. It would be nice be able to associate the characters with personality via some sort of campaign but i think it's extra rather than being reason for supporting the game.
You're correct. This part actually bugs me about VaM 2.x as well. Mesh has been asked by people on discord about the physics engine and keeps making the excuse of how processing intensive the physics are and that it would be difficult to support more than 2-3 actors on screen even when revamped in VaM 2.x. This is not a promising sign for optimization because other games can and do have far more going on with physics than this. Its better than nothing but I think Mesh's inexperience and narrow outlook is harming VaM's potential. We'll see though.

Yeah, the flavor personality looked like it was supposed to be a big part of Fallen Doll's appeal with its unique characters since they're not letting us freely create our own custom characters, kind of like a Dead or Alive game. I'm not sure what they're planning at this point with other content being delayed for a while but I've not see much mentioned about this coming within the rebuild or first year and I think that is a missed opportunity from Project Helius. Being able to define those personalities after simply wont have the same impact of having them available at the get go.
 

Nihil5320

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You can be level 80+ in only a few days of playing a bit.
Are you one of the devs? Serious question as you come out with the most ridiculous nonsense to try and defend this game.

I just reinstalled the game to check and with 12 hours playtime I am currently level 18 and even explicitly acknowledge the pushback on the game being "too grindy."

Really? Funny, because the original game was sold strictly as a porn game, aka Fallen Doll. It had nothing to do with what you claim.
Let's be real, this *is* the original game. You cannot download Origins anywhere, they never finished it and they rolled the development into this title. It was nothing more than another rebuild but with a rebrand because they wanted to change direction.

That said let's see how Helius :

In that way we will be able to free ourselves from being jack of all trades and focus on the engine, story as well as game mechanism, further accelerating development workflow.

I have heard some critics regarding indie game campaign scams on Patreon - the concern for that is exactly the reason why we dislike the idea of crowdfunding in the first place. A few month ago I replied "we just don't feel right to charge money for a game you haven't played yet" to suggestions for crowdfunding, and my attitude remains unchanged. That's why we held back the campaign until now.
Or hell why not just look at some of the posts where they said most of the gameplay, which has literally never been seen in any form, Or how about the , before it even hit Patreon?

According to PHplusSTUDIO, the development team of "PROJECT H", the level design of the game has been completed and the scene construction has begun
Those were added in later and are still on the table with info being shared on occasion but their development has had to wait on this blasted update first. Most people paid for the game for the sex portion. Whether they end up permanently dropping the strategy non-sexual portion of the game in the long run or not who knows but game development doesn't happen over night so you can stop acting like a child. That element isn't even that old and we have been well aware its been waiting on this portion. You can moan about advertising blah blah but first you might want to get your facts right. Next, you might want to learn how Patreon works. Not gonna spend all day arguing with you though. You're intentions are perfectly clear. If you think its false advertising and not delivering go find something else and move on already. Obviously, the fact you are still here hundreds of forum pages later indicates you're quite the die hard advocate though, no matter how you want to spin it.
You're right in that game development doesn't happen overnight, not entirely sure if I'd class 2015 to present as "overnight" though. Would you?

Because, coupled with your repeated disingenuous arguments, it seems more like you have a wee bit of an agenda of your own going on.
 

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Apparently the beta, which already has far more content than any fucking Illusion game ever has, is zero content and we already got 4 more characters about to release over this next year with some dropping very soon once Soonium actually happens.

Yet FD still has more content than Illusion games which only have a small list of poses that are equal for every character and usually its all mf, a few lesb and threesome, and often 2-3 mmf and in one or two Illusion games you get maybe 1-2 mmmf animations. Meanwhile, a single character like Alet has more partners and total poses than an entire Illusion game, but okay "no content." Obviously we're in a content drought until this dang update releases but its not likely its a year going totally without. The demo still has solid content so maybe stop being unreasonable?

Illusion games don't usually add content via mods. They add functionality and cosmetic attire support. VaM is another disaster entirely intended to offer 3rd party support but you can see the massive drop in quality compared to something like FD, Wildlife, or almost any other project really. VaM sells exclusively on a promise which it has not achieved to date and is currently stuck in limbo much like FD.
Near infinite amount of characters, clothes, accessories, poses, overlays and a lot of animations added through modding = Absolutely no content, nothing to see here.

A few animations of girls fucking weird aliens and shit, very limited customization, no modding support because of online grindfest and mtx = Content™

Totally not a shitpost, btw.
 

ShadowChanSeh

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Sorry you can't read. Keep failing. You were even corrected with actual quoted info which you can go dig up in prior posts yourself. Moving on.
I was the one who was corrected? You might want to recheck my reply to you again, I'll save you the trouble of looking.
ALSO,
this

and this.

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Edit: added more official loli references
Second edit: kemono link so no one can say this is fake or edited
 
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BobKilan

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Are you one of the devs? Serious question as you come out with the most ridiculous nonsense to try and defend this game.
Nope, and if you read my posts this would be obvious. Of course, we all see you read it but you have a childish personality and just want to bitch. You can't actually argue valid points so now you're resorting to stupid comments like this.

I just reinstalled the game to check and with 12 hours playtime I am currently level 18 and even explicitly acknowledge the pushback on the game being "too grindy."
First, maybe you haven't been giving out likes or receiving them properly? Did you do most of your playtimes when the servers were initially active or later when there is less people to receive likes from? This can influence it. How many daily's actually worked for you or how many did you do? I had some work but most did not but those few add up a lot hence when its fixed it will help quite a bit. Next, how much of your time is just open in the menu or alt tabbed? Your playtime isn't evidence of anything whether its your actions in game, your efficiency, or if you were simply afk.

Again, you also ignore every other point raised as evidenced that you just want to throw a tantrum. Are you even old enough to play this type of content?

Points raised about the exp:
1. Levels fast as is if you actually engage in the system giving and receiving likes with an active server.
2. When dailies work they give tons of exp but they're currently broken for many. This should fix a big part of the grind.
3. There will be an afk system to further facilitate grind reduction.
4. Helius stated that they've acknowledged feedback about grinding and will reduce it further in rebuild but we don't have specifics. Why? Because even if its easy points 1-3 were inconsistent/nonexistent for many or not even implemented for 3 plus people obviously want to grind less when possible.

Rather than actually use your brain you want to whine though. These aren't "me defending the game" but giving you information and you throw a fit because it doesn't fit your agenda. It is also why you do not directly confront the points and choose to whine and why I find it a waste of effort to deal with people like you.

Let's be real, this *is* the original game. You cannot download Origins anywhere, they never finished it and they rolled the development into this title. It was nothing more than another rebuild but with a rebrand because they wanted to change direction.
Literally, what does this have to do with anything I've said? Let's be real.

That said let's see how Helius :

Or hell why not just look at some of the posts where they said most of the gameplay, which has literally never been seen in any form, Or how about the , before it even hit Patreon?
What does any of Fallen Doll's previous design have to do with the current since the project shifted? How the hell does this have anything to do with my post? Dude. Stop. Seriously. This is pathetic. I'm not interested in your lunatic rants.

You're right in that game development doesn't happen overnight, not entirely sure if I'd class 2015 to present as "overnight" though. Would you?

Because, coupled with your repeated disingenuous arguments, it seems more like you have a wee bit of an agenda of your own going on.
English please. Use freaking coherent English and learn to add context to your sentences. Half your damn post is void of context with random ass quotes and statements that no one can infer anything from. I'd ask what point you are trying to make but you know I really don't give a damn because its not relevant to what I've said. I only clarified some info you seemed clearly confused on and here you are attacking me. I never said the project was some amazing super fast without flaw situation. You just want to attack others and find issue and you have absolutely no intention of being reasonable in the process.

Near infinite amount of characters, clothes, accessories, poses, overlays and a lot of animations added through modding = Absolutely no content, nothing to see here.

A few animations of girls fucking weird aliens and shit, very limited customization, no modding support because of online grindfest and mtx = Content™

Totally not a shitpost, btw.
You're right that clothes and customizable characters are, to some degree, content. It could also be argued that its mostly less relevant. First, porn usually involves being naked for most people so those cosmetics are mostly moot though admittedly not for everyone or every single situation so not to discredit it entirely. Next, custom characters with a low quality engine they often come out somewhat samey but most importantly they have the exact same animations and most people tend to hone in on a few favorite characters. From there on the extra content matters a lot less to most. Thus while there is a huge amount of content via custom characters on a per individual basis its going to be typically very little for most quite unlike what Fallen Doll offers. Its why people often get burned out on Illusion games so fast. The characters are also substantially lower quality. Really, its not even comparable with regards to graphical and character quality or the really low quality animations, often of which are the same carry over animations from game after Illusion game. I wont say its trash because I've played them some, myself, and some really strongly like them anyways but they're two different approaches and FD definitely has more actual unique content for its consumers while also maintaining a vastly superior quality. I do wish we could see custom characters though and feel Helius reason for not including them to be nonsense but I get it, too.

As pointed out it has far more "animations" than an Illusion game. Its not even close. Also as pointed out customization is mostly moot in porn for most, but not all users, while modding support is a bummer but if the game gets regular updates its not as big of a deal. Grindfest is not that big of a deal yet, but lets see how fast content rolls out vs unlocking it and how much grind is improved after the rebuild and promised improvements. The mtx is only for a slight decrease in grind if I read their posts right so its really negligible and really meant for people who got money to burn but isn't a big deal unless Helius suddenly does a big turn on policy of this.

I was the one who was corrected? You might want to recheck my reply to you again, I'll save you the trouble of looking.
Final reply to your nonsense.

Learn to read.

To your first picture a lolibaba is a classic anime trope in which a character looks and/or acts like a little girl, but is technically very old.


Yanshi statement in second photo is a general use of loli, though arguably sloppy just because Helius has been very explicit in the past that they're not underage. A loli is actually a body type, irrelevant of age. 3rd picture follows same situation. In fact, in picture #4 that you post Helius goes out of the way to make point about age not being that young and to be careful avoiding a body type that would suggest such as well while still being loli in appearance.

Again, another failure for you to even properly research and understand these terms while trying to talk down to others. FYI, loli isn't even a particularly uncommon body type in the world. Of course, if you paid attention to Galatea's lore you would know she is the oldest one of all the characters, too.

As usual. I actually have to wonder what your point even is about Galatea's and Yanshi's body type. Do you not go outside, like ever?
 
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Okay, so yet another thing patrons have never heard about until this very post. On some backwater forum instead of the discord or the patreon. Don't believe anyone even voted on this.

There's no gameplay footage, no concept art was ever released..

I mean if I go to a restaurant and order food, and you bring me a delicious plate of something entirely different I'm not going to forget about what I ordered. Just bring me my food y'know?
 
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