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Nihil5320

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lmao you are dense. The logic is so simple: if focusing on gameplay brings in revenue efficiently (your hypothetical "thousands of people might've decided to not support said games precisely because they lack gameplay" really buy or are willing to support the porn games with elaborated gameplay), those cash grabbers and patron milkers you hate fiercely would be updating their project's gameplay monthly instead of cramming more porn into their "glorified sex animation viewer"
This logic doesn't seem that simple and can also be inverted relatively easily: if pure animation viewer approaches were more profitable then wouldn't the majority of adult games adopt this model?

Realistically both versions of this argument are dumb as they presume that porn game studios form a completely efficient market where a majority of actors have perfect information, are following a money motive and have the capacity to execute a coherent strategy. I haven't seen much evidence that any of this is true.

In reality most porn devs are winging it by the seat of their pants. They might have a good idea for a project but it's limited by funding, some might not be in it for the money, most seem unlikely to conduct thorough market research and some of them (and I'm including Helius here) are severely limited by ability.

I think if you want to find a proxy for what users want the best point would be looking at the most popular games, and those almost universally seem to have some kind of gameplay loop.
 
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This logic doesn't seem that simple and can also be inverted relatively easily: if pure animation viewer approaches were more profitable then wouldn't the majority of adult games adopt this model?
the majority of successful porn games would be featuring good gameplay instead of visual novel and animation player now. Alas, this is apparently not the case in reality, there's not even a trance of trend pointing to that direction.
Are you living in a parallel universe? The majority of adult games are indeed like I said visual novels and animation players, which hardly have any gameplay (if clicking through dialogues is some sort of gameplay).
 

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Are you living in a parallel universe? The majority of adult games are indeed like I said visual novels and animation players, which hardly have any gameplay (if clicking through dialogues is some sort of gameplay).
Majority isn't visual novels and animation players.
This site allows you see how many visual novels novels it has compared to other games, look at the results:
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And "animation players" are also few but since they don't have a tag there is no way to know their exact numbers. But if you go to latest updates page and filter tag:"3d game" then sort them by views or likes the first page results should only have these "animation viewers" out of 30 results:
  • Wild Life
  • Fallen Doll
  • Honey Select 2
  • Virt A Mate
  • Home Together
Out of 30 results for "3d game" just 5 of them are animation viewers. If that's any indication even the combination of "animation viewers" and virtual novels don't make up the majority of games on this site.
 
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Okay, I got quite a good answer: The consumers who paid for the patreon promises are now seething that "it's just a scene viewer bro, we don't need more." Years after years of work for a scene viewer? You guys are really high on copium.

EDIT: and before anyone rushes over to the reply button, crying "b-but the other scene viewers!", a bunch of them listed above have gameplay attached. This game is what... 3 years old now? Since the first release, and I don't even know when was the first development message... so you're basically saying that you waited 3+ years for a handful of characters, some clothing options and a rotating camera around the scenes? Bruh.
 
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omegabox

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Majority isn't visual novels and animation players.
This site allows you see how many visual novels novels it has compared to other games, look at the results:
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And "animation players" are also few but since they don't have a tag there is no way to know their exact numbers. But if you go to latest updates page and filter tag:"3d game" then sort them by views or likes the first page results should only have these "animation viewers" out of 30 results:
  • Wild Life
  • Fallen Doll
  • Honey Select 2
  • Virt A Mate
  • Home Together
Out of 30 results for "3d game" just 5 of them are animation viewers. If that's any indication even the combination of "animation viewers" and virtual novels don't make up the majority of games on this site.
bruh is F95 your entire world? I almost feel pity.
Do you know a genre called galgame exists? Most of porn games in visual novel form have not been translated into English due to the sheer volume of texts and are not in this forum.
 
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Nihil5320

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Okay, I got quite a good answer: The consumers who paid for the patreon promises are now seething that "it's just a scene viewer bro, we don't need more." Years after years of work for a scene viewer? You guys are really high on copium.

EDIT: and before anyone rushes over to the reply button, crying "b-but the other scene viewers!", a bunch of them listed above have gameplay attached. This game is what... 3 years old now? Since the first release, and I don't even know when was the first development message... so you're basically saying that you waited 3+ years for a handful of characters, some clothing options and a rotating camera around the scenes? Bruh.
This game is a touch older than 3 years, the Patreon launched in 2016 and it existed before that. Daisy in Summer (the first prototype) was 2015. Development probably started in 2014 when Epic changed their licensing for UE but it was solely on ZOD Forum at that point.

And yeah the animation viewer argument is an odd one.
 

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bruh is F95 your entire world? I almost feel pity.
Do you know a genre called galgame exists? Most of porn games in visual novel form have not been translated into English due to the sheer volume of texts and are not in this forum.
This site also has untranslated games and a genre that basically only exists in japan literally doesn't change anything. My point still stands, either present your own stats like I did or continue coping...
 
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Whenever I launch kirito mod this shows up

[17:53:43] KiritoCore: Couldn't init python ImportError: bad magic number in 're': b'\x00\x00\x00\x00'

At:
logging\__init__.py(26): <module>
<frozen importlib._bootstrap>(241): _call_with_frames_removed
<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>(883): exec_module
<frozen importlib._bootstrap>(703): _load_unlocked
<frozen importlib._bootstrap>(1006): _find_and_load_unlocked
<frozen importlib._bootstrap>(1027): _find_and_load
E:\New folder\FallenDoll 0.4.9 rip\Operation Lovecraft Fallen Doll Playtest\Paralogue\Binaries\Win64\debug.py(1): <module>
<frozen importlib._bootstrap>(241): _call_with_frames_removed
<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>(883): exec_module
<frozen importlib._bootstrap>(703): _load_unlocked
<frozen importlib._bootstrap>(1006): _find_and_load_unlocked
<frozen importlib._bootstrap>(1027): _find_and_load

[17:53:43] KiritoCore: Init failed.
[17:53:43] KiritoCore: Something went wrong, press any key to exit.
Press any key to continue . . .
 

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Majority isn't visual novels and animation players.
This site allows you see how many visual novels novels it has compared to other games, look at the results:
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And "animation players" are also few but since they don't have a tag there is no way to know their exact numbers. But if you go to latest updates page and filter tag:"3d game" then sort them by views or likes the first page results should only have these "animation viewers" out of 30 results:
  • Wild Life
  • Fallen Doll
  • Honey Select 2
  • Virt A Mate
  • Home Together
Out of 30 results for "3d game" just 5 of them are animation viewers. If that's any indication even the combination of "animation viewers" and virtual novels don't make up the majority of games on this site.
Ngl I think your example is kinda skewered. I use the latest pages with filters to find games too and using your own example, if you showed some of the games posted you'd see most of them are 2dcg/3dcg(a good chunk of 2dcg and 3dcg games are similar to VNs being games that are more dialogue based - Summertime Sage is an example of a 2dcg game)... Meaning a lot of them lack actual gameplay in the sense of what Helius originally promised with the combat mode and are more like visual novels despite not having the visual novel tag. I'd recommend everyone curious to try this and take a look at the games left. Go to the Latest Updates page and click the 'X' on VN to filter them out, then under exclude tags filter out 2dcg and 3dcg and you'll see there's significantly less games available. Now if you also filter out abandoned games and games onhold you're left with a whopping 1k games, and if you looked at some of those a lot of them are still lacking gameplay.

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Ngl I think your example is kinda skewered. I use the latest pages with filters to find games too and using your own example, if you showed some of the games posted you'd see most of them are 2dcg/3dcg(a good chunk of 2dcg and 3dcg games are similar to VNs being games that are more dialogue based - Summertime Sage is an example of a 2dcg game)... Meaning a lot of them lack actual gameplay in the sense of what Helius originally promised with the combat mode and are more like visual novels despite not having the visual novel tag. I'd recommend everyone curious to try this and take a look at the games left. Go to the Latest Updates page and click the 'X' on VN to filter them out, then under exclude tags filter out 2dcg and 3dcg and you'll see there's significantly less games available. Now if you also filter out abandoned games and games onhold you're left with a whopping 1k games, and if you looked at some of those a lot of them are still lacking gameplay.

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Leave MY Purple_Heart alone, you impolite bird feral feathered menace !!!

And, huuu, something something wild life something, idk I'm dealing with one hell of an headache atm I can't think straight.
 

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Ngl I think your example is kinda skewered. I use the latest pages with filters to find games too and using your own example, if you showed some of the games posted you'd see most of them are 2dcg/3dcg(a good chunk of 2dcg and 3dcg games are similar to VNs being games that are more dialogue based - Summertime Sage is an example of a 2dcg game)... Meaning a lot of them lack actual gameplay in the sense of what Helius originally promised with the combat mode and are more like visual novels despite not having the visual novel tag. I'd recommend everyone curious to try this and take a look at the games left. Go to the Latest Updates page and click the 'X' on VN to filter them out, then under exclude tags filter out 2dcg and 3dcg and you'll see there's significantly less games available. Now if you also filter out abandoned games and games onhold you're left with a whopping 1k games, and if you looked at some of those a lot of them are still lacking gameplay.

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Those games DO have gameplay mechanics and they are NOT just animation viewers AND most of them have nothing in common with virtual novels(unless you think having a dialogue system is same as being a virtual novel?). For example, you eliminated Karryn's Prison(KP) for being a 2dcg game and basically put it in the same catagory as virtual novels but KP doesn't have any similarities to virtual novels or animation viewers.

I suggest instead of excluding those games try including/searching them. That way you would understand how many unrelated games(unrelated to virtual novels and animation viewers) you are eliminating because you think they are similar to virtual novels and animation viewers when they have basically nothing in common with them.
 

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For example, you eliminated Karryn's Prison(KP) for being a 2dcg game and basically put it in the same catagory as virtual novels but KP doesn't have any similarities to virtual novels or animation viewers.

I suggest instead of excluding those games try including/searching them. That way you would understand how many unrelated games(unrelated to virtual novels and animation viewers) you are eliminating because you think they are similar to virtual novels and animation viewers when they have basically nothing in common with them.
This is why I said a good chunk of 2dcg/3dcg games and not all of them. I recommended looking at the games left with your filters and with 2dcg/3dcg filtered out because this is what I do anytime I come to this site to see what's new or have been updated. If you search using these filters you will see most of them are heavily dialogue based and lacking actual gameplay, unless you consider choosing between multiple dialogue options as form of gameplay. This is why I said they're similar to visual novels and not identical and named SummerTime Saga as an example.

Try filtering using 2dcg or 3dcg tags by highest rated with abandoned/onhold games filtered out and it becomes even more apparent. The 3dcg tag in particular is full of examples with an unholy amount of those being Ren'Py games(not shitting on Ren'Py devs).
 
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This is why I said a good chunk of 2dcg/3dcg games and not all of them. I recommended looking at the games left with your filters and with 2dcg/3dcg filtered out because this is what I do anytime I come to this site to see what's new or have been updated. If you search using these filters you will see most of them are heavily dialogue based and lacking actual gameplay, unless you consider choosing between multiple dialogue options as form of gameplay.
I've played those games that you keep dismissing as "virtual novels or similar" just because they are 2dcg or 3dcg. They are not even close to being virtual novels, majority of them offer actual gameplay in the form of either turn based combat(such as karryn's prison), beat-em up(such as eris dysnomia), puzzles(such as the genesis order) or dating sim(such as teaching feeling).
 

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I've played those games that you keep dismissing as "virtual novels or similar" just because they are 2dcg or 3dcg. They are not even close to being virtual novels, majority of them offer actual gameplay in the form of either turn based combat(such as karryn's prison), beat-em up(such as eris dysnomia), puzzles(such as the genesis order) or dating sim(such as teaching feeling).
FWIW while I'm saying they lack gameplay I do try some of them myself so I'm not just talking out of my ass, though if you consider puzzles and dating sims as gameplay we probably just disagree on what counts as gameplay. Just for clarification I'm not referring to games like Hero Party Must Fall, The Imperial Gatekeeper, Flower Charm Sequel, etc that obviously have gameplay loops. If you take a look at the 3dcg tag right now it's mostly full of Ren'Py games that are purely dialogue with no additonal mechanics other than point and click or sandbox at best, but even then, sandbox in these types of games amount to opening a map to click on and load into a different area - no creation/exploration. You can just read the tags for the games to see this. 2dcg games suffer from this to a lesser extent, but then again there are almost 2x more 2dcg games than 3dcg so I can understand why this wouldn't seem the case if you don't scroll through the pages or are more lenient on what counts as gameplay.
 

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FWIW while I'm saying they lack gameplay I do try some of them myself so I'm not just talking out of my ass, though if you consider puzzles and dating sims as gameplay we probably just disagree on what counts as gameplay. Just for clarification I'm not referring to games like Hero Party Must Fall, The Imperial Gatekeeper, Flower Charm Sequel, etc that obviously have gameplay loops. If you take a look at the 3dcg tag right now it's mostly full of Ren'Py games that are purely dialogue with no additonal mechanics other than point and click or sandbox at best, but even then, sandbox in these types of games amount to opening a map to click on and load into a different area - no creation/exploration. You can just read the tags for the games to see this. 2dcg games suffer from this to a lesser extent, but then again there are almost 2x more 2dcg games than 3dcg so I can understand why this wouldn't seem the case if you don't scroll through the pages or are more lenient on what counts as gameplay.
I want to be that guy and just point out
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the features of a video game, such as its plot and the way it is played, as distinct from the graphics and sound effects
This is fair, but if we go by this definition it clashes with how people view a bunch of games. All the porn games hosted on this site including this version of Fallen Doll that just plays animations? Scene viewers Gameplay.
Playing: an action where a "player" is constantly interacting with various systems of a game such as inventory systems, leveling systems, dialogue systems, combat systems, skill systems using a lot of buttons on their mice, keyboards or gamepads to win(or complete) the game. Examples to play: eris dysnomia, karryn's prison, lona rpg, solas city heroes, subverse...

Watching: an action where an "observer" is constantly observing what is shown on screen(a scene) without interacting with anything most of the time. An observer usually does not interact with anything other than changing viewing angle or choosing another scene(or animation) using mouse. Examples to watch: fallen doll, home together, wild life, succubus cafe, insult order, honey select...

Reading: an action where a "reader" is constantly studying the text shown on screen(mostly dialogues) to understand what is going on in the presented story. Usually a reader's only actions are either pressing a button to see more of the dialogue(or story) or pressing another button to make story choices(if available). Examples to read: being a dik, harem hotel, depravity, slay the princess...
 

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Playing: an action where a "player" is constantly interacting with various systems of a game
I'm sorry but I'd argue that the act of playing isn't limited to that.
Prime example for me is the game where, as the title imply, the goal is to do nothing.

(btw, there's a multiplayer version of it, Nothing together, which I find hilarious).

And by, well, doing nothing, you're actively playing the game. If you do something, you loose the run.
 
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