VN Ren'Py Abandoned Fallen Roads [v0.2] [Boketto Games]

[MrFriendly]

I've been lurking on F95 for a year and decided to come out of the shadows and make my first post because this developer did such an amazing job at creating mystery, intrigue, and emotion around the characters. Maybe the reason cheating/ntr tags weren't added is because we don't know yet for sure if Ava cheated. We see her getting wasted at a party, go upstairs with the dude, and then it cuts away and we don't see her again until the next morning. Many different scenarios could've played out in this timeframe. Of course, some reasonably ask how does she end up nude? What if she spent most of the time innocently talking about old times with Bryce as a departing friend, got sick and threw up on her clothes, and Bryce left the room to let her sleep it off? He then went back downstairs to continue to party with friends and then later stumbled back into his own bed while Ava was still asleep? Point is, we don't know because the developer set up the scene so perfectly to tease and provoke the audience.

I had a similar situation happen to me where my girlfriend back in high school couldn't make it to my party. Her best friend and I ended up almost naked knocked out drunk in the same bed after having a long conversation because she was in a bad relationship. I'm an old geezer, so there were no smartphones back then to take video of us. But when I woke up, my girlfriend was hovering over me and her best friend. She was a little upset at first at the situation, but remained calm and listened to the explanation. Her best friend and I never touched each other before, during, or after our relationship. In fact, my gf and I stayed together for years after that incident and didn't break up until junior year of college for other reasons. We still stay in contact and she is friends with my wife.

Ava might be a cheater, or maybe she'll surprise us and end up a sympathetic heroine, while the mc ends up being the one that exacerbates situations because of his own baggage. I am making a tentative prediction that as the story unfolds, many who have been attacking Ava will look at her as a very viable romance option in the future. Regardless, kudos to the developer for doing such awesome work that it forced a chicken shit like me out from hiding to finally speak up here.

Even if... IF... Ava didn't cheat it was made to look like cheating. If the NTR tag had been added then it would have warned people who are sensitive to being cheated on (the cheating tag is only for the MC cheating IIRC). Unfortunately by adding that tag the Developer wouldn't have had so many people trying his game. A lot of people automatically skip anything with the NTR tag, doesn't matter what flavor or situation. The discussion that raged, and reached new levels of hyperbole I've yet seen on here, is what you get when people feel blindsided by that content. If there had been a warning in the beginning of the game or on the OP it could have lessened some of the outrage.

We, as the audience, were set up to believe she cheated. What would be the point of showing us the party or her thoughts otherwise? She walked out of the living room holding hands with her childhood crush, went up to his bedroom, and ended up naked in his bed the next morning. She told the MC she wouldn't drink or do drugs and then ended up doing both, which lowered her inhibitions, and then she wound up in bed with someone that the MC knows she had feelings for prior to their relationship. Personally I want to see what happens next but, even though I am not as angry about it, I don't see a compelling reason for the MC to continue to travel with Ava (or a logical explanation for it).

 

[sdawg1234]

Even if... IF... Ava didn't cheat it was made to look like cheating. If the NTR tag had been added then it would have warned people who are sensitive to being cheated on (the cheating tag is only for the MC cheating IIRC). Unfortunately by adding that tag the Developer wouldn't have had so many people trying his game. A lot of people automatically skip anything with the NTR tag, doesn't matter what flavor or situation. The discussion that raged, and reached new levels of hyperbole I've yet seen on here, is what you get when people feel blindsided by that content. If there had been a warning in the beginning of the game or on the OP it could have lessened some of the outrage.

We, as the audience, were set up to believe she cheated. What would be the point of showing us the party or her thoughts otherwise? She walked out of the living room holding hands with her childhood crush, went up to his bedroom, and ended up naked in his bed the next morning. She told the MC she wouldn't drink or do drugs and then ended up doing both, which lowered her inhibitions, and then she wound up in bed with someone that the MC knows she had feelings for prior to their relationship. Personally I want to see what happens next but, even though I am not as angry about it, I don't see a compelling reason for the MC to continue to travel with Ava (or a logical explanation for it).

I agree . I think the surprise and then the forced travel is what's really got everyone going. Luckily it's a 2 day drive and 1 day is over with. Hopefully day 2 will not last that long and they can go their separate ways for a while until we can get more of the story. I know Ava will be sticking around but hopefully we won't be forced to spend most of the game around her.

 

[pochops]

I would point to your theory with great pleasure if it weren't for a detail. She is totally naked. If ishe were with the underwear it could be as you say, but the absence of all clothes leaves little doubt about what happened there. It was the famous farewell fuck to the old love that she would think would have no consequences because the mc would never find out and the guy who has fucked her goes away. Any other explanation would be to square the circle. It simply should have been reflected in the tags and there would have been no controversy

You make a great point. But my point is we just don't know yet and the developer purposely set it up this way to have us all speculating, which is the sign of a great storyteller. The hint is dropped that Ava once had a crush on Bryce, which gets our defenses up. Then there's dancing, Bryce looks into her eyes and invites her upstairs. It's set up to stir our emotions to think the worst. You may not end up agreeing with the situation Ava wound up in, but my gut tells me she was in love with the mc and did not have sexual contact with the other dude. Even if I'm wrong in my guess, I just think this developer is talented and hope he's not intimidated out of writing his story.

I noticed several posts have already asked key questions -- Who is the woman in those pictures at the mc's house? Also, I think Ava and the mc mention helping each other through tough times. What specifically were these tough times? At the party, why was Ava reluctant to reveal she was dating the mc in the presence of the other girls? Why didn't the mc go to the party and why did the others treat him so oddly when he arrived the next morning? Why did the mc react so irrationally and pummel Bryce into the ground without giving the woman he supposedly loved even a single chance at an explanation? Why does Ava seem to freeze in shock every time the MC screams at her? They both seem to have additional baggage which doomed their relationship.

 

[Regis NEX]

Holy fuck balls...

I've been cheated on and this game triggered me, but in a good way. I'm curious as to where the story goes, and I'm currently in his situation but I'm able to play fine lol. Oh gee golly one of the MOST anticipated games for me now!!​

 

[pochops]

Even if... IF... Ava didn't cheat it was made to look like cheating. If the NTR tag had been added then it would have warned people who are sensitive to being cheated on (the cheating tag is only for the MC cheating IIRC). Unfortunately by adding that tag the Developer wouldn't have had so many people trying his game. A lot of people automatically skip anything with the NTR tag, doesn't matter what flavor or situation. The discussion that raged, and reached new levels of hyperbole I've yet seen on here, is what you get when people feel blindsided by that content. If there had been a warning in the beginning of the game or on the OP it could have lessened some of the outrage.

We, as the audience, were set up to believe she cheated. What would be the point of showing us the party or her thoughts otherwise? She walked out of the living room holding hands with her childhood crush, went up to his bedroom, and ended up naked in his bed the next morning. She told the MC she wouldn't drink or do drugs and then ended up doing both, which lowered her inhibitions, and then she wound up in bed with someone that the MC knows she had feelings for prior to their relationship. Personally I want to see what happens next but, even though I am not as angry about it, I don't see a compelling reason for the MC to continue to travel with Ava (or a logical explanation for it).

You said the key words - "set up to believe she cheated." The point of showing it is to illicit emotion through storytelling. I don't like a cuck as an mc or even cheating per se, but I love a story that makes me nervous about the outcome and that has external and internal threats and obstacles the hero must overcome through his choices.

Just like we don't like it when games incorrectly omit tags, I think it's unfair that some posts were prematurely tagging the game as having cheating and ntr in it. If Ava turns out to be a cheating bitch, I'll continue to follow the game anyway. However, I will bow down and admit I was an idiot. This has the potential to be one of the great romance games on here.

 

[cbsx]

Author is not logical, trigger warnings, NTR, validate my feelings, it's not real life, cheating, I can't believe I wasn't warned, help me obi tag kenobi you're my only hope, wash, rinse, repeat, etc, etc, etc...

Could let the dev just make the game, instead of attempting apply 90s style parental advisory bullshit arguments to fucking porn games.

 

[MLBnoob]

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Author is not logical, trigger warnings, NTR, validate my feelings, it's not real life, cheating, I can't believe I wasn't warned, help me obi tag kenobi you're my only hope, wash, rinse, repeat, etc, etc, etc...

Could let the dev just make the game, instead of attempting apply 90s style parental advisory bullshit arguments to fucking porn games.

Everyone so far are just talking, no direct insults or name calling, which is nice.

You could take your own argument with yourself, let people talk with each other, the dev hasn't shown opposition with people talking and no one has called him a "cuck" or "cuck enabler". The recent conversations are talking about realistic outcomes: if the best friend knew the hitchhiker was a cheating ex, what pray tell would a best friend would do? Keep making you uncomfortable? Or be a real friend.

 

[cbsx]

Everyone so far are just talking, no direct insults or name calling, which is nice.

You could take your own argument with yourself, let people talk with each other, the dev hasn't shown opposition with people talking and no one has called him a "cuck" or "cuck enabler". The recent conversations are talking about realistic outcomes: if the best friend knew the hitchhiker was a cheating ex, what pray tell would a best friend would do? Keep making you uncomfortable? Or be a real friend.

It was bad enough that at post 201 the dev felt compelled to ask people to let him tell his story and promise he would deliver. Look at the posts telling the dev what he has to do to calm people down. Look at post 215... this thread has been edited... I agree there is better conversation going on here now at page 13. I'll be surprised if the game doesn't end up abandoned. I hope not, but the anti-NTR brigade came at this one hard on the first day with nothing to go on but past events to set up the narrative.

 

[Yusuf69]

It was bad enough that at post 201 the dev felt compelled to ask people to let him tell his story and promise he would deliver. Look at the posts telling the dev what he has to do to calm people down. Look at post 215... this thread has been edited... I agree there is better conversation going on here now at page 13. I'll be surprised if the game doesn't end up abandoned. I hope not, but the anti-NTR brigade came at this one hard on the first day with nothing to go on but past events to set up the narrative.

Don't worry, still writing what I want. I don't plan on abandoning this game. This is F95, I expected NTR backlash, so I'm not as surprised. Although I won't deny, that some people definitely made me question their ability to look at the bigger picture.

Thank you and everyone else who's having constructive dialogue regarding the story and characters. Can't wait for you all to experience chapter 2!

 

[Ceesko]

Mods should insta ban anyone who discusses NTR in the thread if the dev wishes it. Some posters here catch one whiff of cheating and starting slinging shit all over the thread like apes. The dev should be allowed to tell the story he likes without people shitting in his thread. if you don't like it simply don't play.

 

[MLBnoob]

Mods should insta ban anyone who discusses NTR in the thread if the dev wishes it. Some posters here catch one whiff of cheating and starting slinging shit all over the thread like apes. The dev should be allowed to tell the story he likes without people shitting in his thread. if you don't like it simply don't play.

Everyone is being an adult here, no name calling as of yet, and this is a thread which allows people to write their opinions. The dev did expect backlash, and everyone is being just saying what logical thing would happen next. The thread will be cooled down after awhile before the next update. I do suggest you leave this thread if what was mentioned here offends you.

 

[Vidal the king of Pervert]

Don't worry, still writing what I want. I don't plan on abandoning this game. This is F95, I expected NTR backlash, so I'm not as surprised. Although I won't deny, that some people definitely made me question their ability to look at the bigger picture.

Thank you and everyone else who's having constructive dialogue regarding the story and characters. Can't wait for you all to experience chapter 2!

I'm glad to hear it I really love this game and I love talking about it

I know this is probably going to not make any sense to you but I love that this game can make me feel happy sad and angry

that's how you know you have an amazing story with amazing characters keep up the good work

 

[Glooskabe]

We, as the audience, were set up to believe she cheated. What would be the point of showing us the party or her thoughts otherwise? She walked out of the living room holding hands with her childhood crush, went up to his bedroom, and ended up naked in his bed the next morning. She told the MC she wouldn't drink or do drugs and then ended up doing both, which lowered her inhibitions, and then she wound up in bed with someone that the MC knows she had feelings for prior to their relationship. Personally I want to see what happens next but, even though I am not as angry about it, I don't see a compelling reason for the MC to continue to travel with Ava (or a logical explanation for it).

Word!

You make a great point. But my point is we just don't know yet and the developer purposely set it up this way to have us all speculating, which is the sign of a great storyteller. The hint is dropped that Ava once had a crush on Bryce, which gets our defenses up. Then there's dancing, Bryce looks into her eyes and invites her upstairs. It's set up to stir our emotions to think the worst. You may not end up agreeing with the situation Ava wound up in, but my gut tells me she was in love with the mc and did not have sexual contact with the other dude. Even if I'm wrong in my guess, I just think this developer is talented and hope he's not intimidated out of writing his story.

Our point is that she didn't have to have had sex with the guy for it to be a serious betrayal of the MC's trust, in other words, cheating.

 

[NyVar]

Mods should insta ban anyone who discusses NTR in the thread if the dev wishes it. Some posters here catch one whiff of cheating and starting slinging shit all over the thread like apes. The dev should be allowed to tell the story he likes without people shitting in his thread. if you don't like it simply don't play.

Although im not in 100% disagreement, and an NTR-hater, why would anyone want to ban such critique?! Sure, sometimes ppl will jump to conclutions when the chapter ends this way! Sure, the comments were looking like trolls acting like kings behind a keyboard - But the community as a whole dont need to be such snowflakes about it. Act like the DEV, get a backbrace and stand tall Be patient till the next update is up ^^

On another note:
Im torn however, i will definately play this game through. However i will most likely play it dismissively/passively towards Ava either way if she cheated or not (Hopefully an option). Since the chapter ended the way it did. Not that theres anything wrong with that, but as i understood from it, it's one of the options that are supposed to be in the game/story.
And since the dream you have does infact inpact if it leaves you "drowning", or "sets you free", it's pretty obvious that you can do something about it in this telling of a story So heads up ppl! Noses to the sky! DO NOT GET DISCOURAGED!! Haha

Thanks to the dev and his supporters for this release You are much appretiated! The game looks just awesome, deep and real. Good story so far, and epic renders and animations Keep it up!

 

[Dependable_223]

How can we not jump to conclusion when the mc himself is setting up the narritive ? mc felled betrayed and instantly killed his relationship with Ava that should say allot more no ??

 

[NyVar]

How can we not jump to conclusion when the mc himself is setting up the narritive ? mc felled betrayed and instantly killed his relationship with Ava that should say allot more no ??

Because in this instance it's literally 3 PoV's. The MC, Ava and the person taking the picture. And we've only seen 1 PoV. So there is alot of intrigue incoming. I can sence it
Edit; I understand your thoughts though! I really do. Cause i cant stand NTR And my stomach twisted when it came through xD
And wether we like it or not, shit like this happen irl. personally i take lessons from it.

 

[MLBnoob]

Although im not in 100% disagreement, and an NTR-hater, why would anyone want to ban such critique?! Sure, sometimes ppl will jump to conclutions when the chapter ends this way! Sure, the comments were looking like trolls acting like kings behind a keyboard - But the community as a whole dont need to be such snowflakes about it. Act like the DEV, get a backbrace and stand tall Be patient till the next update is up ^^

On another note:
Im torn however, i will definately play this game through. However i will most likely play it dismissively/passively towards Ava either way if she cheated or not (Hopefully an option). Since the chapter ended the way it did. Not that theres anything wrong with that, but as i understood from it, it's one of the options that are supposed to be in the game/story.
And since the dream you have does infact inpact if it leaves you "drowning", or "sets you free", it's pretty obvious that you can do something about it in this telling of a story So heads up ppl! Noses to the sky! DO NOT GET DISCOURAGED!! Haha

Thanks to the dev and his supporters for this release You are much appretiated! The game looks just awesome, deep and real. Good story so far, and epic renders and animations Keep it up!

I agree with everything you said. As you said, Yusuf69 should have a backbone, if what comes next comes naturally and continues to bring out emotions then he should be heralded and celebrated as a writer and that he should be proud; and if it falls flat and instead makes people confuse and irritated because of inconsistency (of the story and the reverse of believable outcomes) he should take note and improve himself. I've seen some devs not own up on the stupid turn of their stories, or fall flat in the stories (like Daniels K). There are devs who's second or so forth VNs were better and gathered support.

TLDR; if the dev makes good content he should feel proud and good if not then he should learn from the mistakes and improve himself; take all your risk, take a good read of your story script but just remember being a failure is not forever but the chance of redemption is.

 

[MrFriendly]

I agree with everything you said. As you said, Yusuf69 should have a backbone, if what comes next comes naturally and continues to bring out emotions then he should be heralded and celebrated as a writer and that he should be proud; and if it falls flat and instead makes people confuse and irritated because of inconsistency (of the story and the reverse of believable outcomes) he should take note and improve himself. I've seen some devs not own up on the stupid turn of their stories, or fall flat in the stories (like Daniels K). There are devs who's second or so forth VNs were better and gathered support.

TLDR; if the dev makes good content he should feel proud and good if not then he should learn from the mistakes and improve himself, failure is not forever but the chance of redemption is.

I agree with you, however I would add that there is nothing wrong with the dev allowing players to make choices... If people want to choose to have nothing to do with a character then allow them. If the players are so adamant about not having anything to do with Ava then they miss out on that content/path.

 

[Dependable_223]

Because in this instance it's literally 3 PoV's. The MC, Ava and the person taking the picture. And we've only seen 1 PoV. So there is alot of intrigue incoming. I can sence it
Edit; I understand your thoughts though! I really do. Cause i cant stand NTR And my stomach twisted when it came through xD
And wether we like it or not, shit like this happen irl. personally i take lessons from it.

The problem with Ava so i see their has been to much time passed if she really did not cheat how come she never tried to contact mc or alteast get his friends on it ?? but no she waited till mc was in her face how are you gonna be able to tell what really happend if mc cant stand her anymore ?

What can she possible say thats gonna change mc mind at this point ?

 

[NyVar]

I agree with everything you said. As you said, Yusuf69 should have a backbone, if what comes next comes naturally and continues to bring out emotions then he should be heralded and celebrated as a writer and that he should be proud; and if it falls flat and instead makes people confuse and irritated because of inconsistency (of the story and the reverse of believable outcomes) he should take note and improve himself. I've seen some devs not own up on the stupid turn of their stories, or fall flat in the stories (like Daniels K). There are devs who's second or so forth VNs were better and gathered support.

TLDR; if the dev makes good content he should feel proud and good if not then he should learn from the mistakes and improve himself, being a failure is not forever but the chance of redemption is.

I have a feeling we wont be disapointed Either way, the story came trough from something. And going through it takes guts.

The problem with Ava so i see their has been to much time passed if she really did not cheat how come she never tried to contact mc or alteast get his friends on it ?? but no she waited till mc was in her face how are you gonna be able to tell what really happend if mc cant stand her anymore ?

What can she possible say thats gonna change mc mind at this point ?

I see the point, and again we have not come far enough in the story to tell yet. It's only speculation. We only know a fraction of what they went through. Wich is why i feel it was a bittersweet ending to the chapter Bitter in the way it ended, and sweet in the thought of what might happen (After i thought it through). As an example, we might see in the next update; 1) Ava tries her hardest to contact MC, but MC blocks ignores any channelse she goes through. 2) The 3rd PoV sabotages their interactions somehow, or 3) She acted like you said. Though there can be many other reasons as to why it happened the way it did..