Being under the influence of drink and drugs doesn't do away with a persons inhibitions it just lowers them enough to act on stupid ideas. In her case it was to act on the idea of having one quick fling with her crush behind her boyfriends back. To be honest if it wasn't for her being caught out I have to wonder if she would have ever been honest about it. Mistake or not she should feel like shit and doesn't deserve sympathy because it was her actions that lead to the situation in the first place.
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So I may not be the first to guess this but I am not going to read every post ahead just for a theory. But Annie set the entire adventure up, didn't she. Meaning that she knew Ava was going to be there and that she is forcing the MC to talk with her so that Ava can explain that it was all just one big misunderstanding and nothing happened.
I hope that I am wrong because that is just wrong on so many levels. And it being a misunderstanding is even worse. We as players were shown Ava clearly agreeing to go upstairs. I don't care if she backed out after getting up there, the choice to leave it vague to give some wiggle room and show that the MCs and the player's anger towards this character may be misplaced is bad because that is 100% manipulation. Did it work? Most certainly, but that is just underhanded
I hope that I am wrong and this is a misdirect as I am engrossed in everything else on display in this game. But cliched "I was in another man's bed and you caught us but nothing happened" is a tv trope left for Fox.
And if I am wrong, I thoroughly apologize. I actually hope that I am wrong just so I can play the next update and be surprised. I know this sounds like I am just crapping on this game but I really don't want it to. The entire presentation has been great and up until the Ava flashback, this was well on its way to my most anticipated updates list. Only for a cheating ex story to play out with us watching, which speaking as someone who was in the MCs shoes once is something that no one ever actually wants to see. Again, I hope that I am wrong and my ravings are just one man bitching into the void, but if I am not then that is just sad but I will wait for the next project.
I hope that I am wrong because that is just wrong on so many levels. And it being a misunderstanding is even worse. We as players were shown Ava clearly agreeing to go upstairs. I don't care if she backed out after getting up there, the choice to leave it vague to give some wiggle room and show that the MCs and the player's anger towards this character may be misplaced is bad because that is 100% manipulation. Did it work? Most certainly, but that is just underhanded
I hope that I am wrong and this is a misdirect as I am engrossed in everything else on display in this game. But cliched "I was in another man's bed and you caught us but nothing happened" is a tv trope left for Fox.
And if I am wrong, I thoroughly apologize. I actually hope that I am wrong just so I can play the next update and be surprised. I know this sounds like I am just crapping on this game but I really don't want it to. The entire presentation has been great and up until the Ava flashback, this was well on its way to my most anticipated updates list. Only for a cheating ex story to play out with us watching, which speaking as someone who was in the MCs shoes once is something that no one ever actually wants to see. Again, I hope that I am wrong and my ravings are just one man bitching into the void, but if I am not then that is just sad but I will wait for the next project.
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I don't see how there is wiggle room for it to be a misunderstanding. She made several transgressions against the MC before she was even lead upstairs that would have put her on thin ice with the most people. As I said in a post above she wasn't forced to do anything she did that night she made a choice. If there's going to be a redemption story for Ava the first thing she is going to have to do is admit she fucked up more than once that night starting with the famous last words that a couple of drinks never hurt anyone.
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The wiggle room that I see is as follows. First, we did not see the texts. Second, we did not see exactly what happened. Third, is while she was naked the dude was not. All of this together gives the possibility of us not having all of the information so that more can be revealed and show that we were wrong and indeed nothing actually happened.
Now for the record, I only called this out because that is a bullshit way to first manipulate our emotions and still have a get out of jail free card. I don't agree with the idea at all and even if she was to apologize, it should be rejected. You are correct that she made several big mistakes even before agreeing to go upstairs but that last one was the worst. She agreed to go up there and everyone knows what that question really was asking. So even if she backed out, how far did things progress before she backed out? And what the hell were in those texts anyway??
So I reject the redemption for this character. The game description says that this wants to avoid the usual cliches of visual novels, well right here is a damn good one to avoid and a character that needs to be placed on a bus and sent away.
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Looks really Good it's demo not game yet But I would say it simple as it can be I Want to see it a FULL Game It's 50/50 whether Ava cheated or not. I can recall times at parties I've snuck off to a private room with a girl to talk in peace and quiet. The possibility for sex was always in the back of my male mind, but it wasn't always the same from the female perspective. Unfortunately for me, that was the case more often than not.
There are literally a thousand scenarios with differing levels of guilt for Ava. If she went upstairs with a mindset to fuck the shit out of Bryce and followed through, I toss the bitch out the car the first chance I get. Even if her inhibitions were lowered by drugs and alcohol and she pushed Bryce away at the last moment, it still would be hard for me to forgive her and she'd have to do a lot of persuading.
However, at the other end of the spectrum of possibilities, what about some kind of sabotage scenario orchestrated by a jealous culprit? What if Ava went upstairs to just talk about old times with Bryce before he departs. Natasha enters the room at some point. She had been trying to force Ava on Bryce all night, as well as pushing drugs and booze at her. Maybe Natasha has a thing for the mc we don't know about. She offers Ava a beverage laced with something. Ava eventually passes out, leaving her vulnerable to having her clothes removed and staging a scene to enrage the mc. As you point out, all we see the next morning is Ava and Bryce asleep on opposite sides of the bed, Bryce turned away from her with his underwear on. It wasn't the typical after sex scene we see in these porn games.
If I recall, the game mechanics allowed for positive and negative actions in the MC's choices. For example, there were some social media posts where you could respond kindly or rudely. Also, at the store you could help the mother with her child in a positive way or not. Maybe this is the way the mechanics will play out in general, as well as in interactions with Ava. Will you make choices that push the mc towards pessimism, depression, and reckless behavior? Will you continue to be the guy who stormed into someone else's house and beat Bryce unconscious without stopping for a second to listen to anybody? On the other hand, will you make choices that push the mc towards a more positive outlook and constructive behavior? If you take the petty, spiteful route with Ava, you may never pull yourself out of your funk and may never learn the truth about what happened that night. On the other hand, if the mc makes more rational choices with her, at least giving her a chance to hear her out, you finally learn the truth.
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I don't have the time at the moment but I will give a full reply to this when I get home. You took the time to articulate your thoughts and I feel it deserves a full reply.
That being said, I can give my main counter point of even if she did nothing the story being framed in such a way to make us think that was what happened only for it to be a misunderstanding is weak. I understand wanting a reaction from the players but if it was just a misunderstanding then we could have followed the mc until morning and walked in blind. That would give more room to show that it was us being a hot head instead of putting on the entire show to see that she was already leaning that way to begin with.
But I'm going to stop before I get ahead of myself and type paragraphs.
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Okay I promised a full reply and here it is.
Add my main point about it being manipulative towards the players with some life experience. After discussing the scenario with several irl coworkers, they and I believe that even if she did back out before anything happened that her excuse of what did happen being because of the drugs and booze is bogus. Even while very drunk most people still have their base morals that they won't cross. A terrible example but if you wouldn't kill a dog sober you most likely aren't going to while drunk. That takes out the possible excuse of "I was drunk".
Now you do bring an interesting point, many times guys will try to get girls away from a party to "just chat" and not be able to follow through with their "clever" scheme. I too have struck out with this tactic. However, I have yet to meet someone who fails and still wakes up to the girl naked and in their bed. Of course, "something" could have happened that ruined her shirt, and good guy Bryce is washing it for her to wear home. But then why not offer her one of his? Why sleep in the same bed? Why was he sleeping in his underwear if nothing happened? Do you know any woman that would sleep almost nude to a man that was just a platonic friend?
Then comes the texts from an unknown number. Now, these could be as you suggested from someone who wants to get MC to themselves. I will allow that possibility but I will say that it is suspect as this event seems to happened some time ago and even if MC became a loner, someone who put all of this together to make them single, would not have just waited for months if not years before trying something. If nothing happened, I think the texts came from Bryce's phone but were sent by Ava to explain why she wasn't coming home that night but she also sent a picture with a little too much information in it. Of course, we as players were meant to think these were from Bryce bragging about what happened but that obviously wasn't the case as he would have been ready for the fight that was coming. So those still remain a mystery.
Your theory about the concept of the game is sound but it still relies on several things. First, forgiveness and not just the MC forgiving her but she forgiving him. If nothing did happen then she would have to let go of her ex beating the ever-loving shit (at least in my playthrough) of one of her good friends. That is its own can of worms and I am not going there right now. Back on the other side, MC would still have to forgive her and this is where things start to become too much. Either she cheated and has the gall to ask for forgiveness to ease her own pain and guilt over the act or she stopped it but still did everything that lead up to that situation. Remember the MC clearly said "don't overdo it" and well no arguing that she did that at least. Next, that has to happen though is a conversation where she tells "her side" of what happened. It is going to be Annie that talks us into that conversation as we know MC doesn't want to hear it but even after hearing it, if she was "soooooo" drunk that she got in over her head, how would she remember what happened?
That last point brings us back to the biggest convenience here. More than likely the picture that Annie saw just before leaving our house was Ava. So even if she didn't plan to pick her up, which let's be real, Ava is going to New York as well and even the MC called that one out, so yeah she sat this whole thing up. But if she didn't, then she at least knew what Ava looked like and still allowed her in the car. Now I am all for the idea of friends helping others out of dark places, but can anyone say that being trapped in a car with your ex sounds like it would lead to anything but constant arguing or angry silence?
All in all, I actually liked this game. The cinematic earned this thing so many brownie points that I will play the next update even if I end up hating it. But the base idea of manipulating us as players to feel and act about a character only to pull the curtain back and show that we too were set up to go this way is wrong. We did not need to spend the party with Ava to get the hint. The texts and walking in on her naked would have been enough. But to go this route and then explain every single bad decision away, well that is something that I have no kind words to speak about. But to clarify, I am not hating on the dev. They are obviously talented and I expect they will do very well and that is why I am so upset by the possibility of this paint by numbers "nothing happened" story. I say possibility as if we are all wrong I will happily eat my words and apologize. But if not, then this looks like a project that while visually stunning will be a story as fresh as last week's bread and that is just sad.
Oh and to answer your question of how I would proceed with Ava, she "slipped" off the roof of the hotel, tragic accident.
Thanks for the response. I agree the cinematics are excellent. I made my first donation through Patreon earlier this week to Fallen Roads. The only reason I chose the $10 tier instead of $25 is because Boketto Games needs to prove to me they can come through with sexy scenes eventually. After all, this back and forth about the story is cool, but these games now take up my allotted porn time. At the developer's own pace, if quality sexy times are combined with an already interesting plot, I'll raise my tier level up. Regardless, I plan to stick with my support for at least a year to give time to flesh the story out, whichever direction it goes in.
My next donation will probably go to Jessica O'Neil Hard News for introducing me to kinks I didn't know I was into. There's a few others I'm considering, trying to get to supporting 4 or 5 to start out with.
As to the texts from an unknown number, I believe that those could be from the woman who has fucked over the MC and left him in his current emotional state. Say Sarah texted the MC, sabotaged (or not*) his relationship with Ava, and then played the sympathetic friend afterwards. She "helps" him get over Ava, they get into a relationship, and they have a monumentally bad break up which leaves the MC how we find him in the beginning of the game. I can't believe that the MC is this broken over Ava (that was ~3 years ago), in addition Anne knows what the more current ex-girlfriend looks like - she looks at a picture that is obviously of the latest horrible breakup and doesn't recognize Ava when they pick her up.
*or not because she may have just seized the opportunity that Ava's cheating presented for her. No need to do more than take a few pictures to incriminate Ava.
I hope that the dev keeps Ava as an unsympathetic cheater but allows people to avoid her. It would be a different take than the "you misunderstood what happened, flew into a rage and beat up an innocent guy" (who should have called the cops on the MC's ass).
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I totally disagree with those that say the only way Fallen Roads can be good is if Ava is an unfaithful slut. I think it could be good either way and just hope the developer sticks to his game plan. It seems a primary theme is the mc's mental health issues. His own erratic behavior has hurt him in the past and continues to hold him back. It could possibly be less cliche and a better story if Ava is redeemable and the true "bad guy" to overcome is the mc's mental problems.
I'm not overly sensitive to cheating in these games. I like variety. I played something called Phuc Mi Island in which the whole point is cheating/NTR. I repeat... I have no problem with Ava as a cheater. I'm pushing back against those who say it has to be one way or bust. The reason I donated to this game is it's the first one that really has me wondering which direction it will go in.
I thought about Sarah. I didn't notice the mc's affinity for couches though, which is now another mystery to ponder. I'm fairly new to these games. But as I've had time to binge on them recently I would say the unsympathetic, unfaithful girlfriend/wife at the start of the story that the mc has to somehow deal with is far more frequent and overdone than the misunderstood gf/wife. Personal Trainer and Bad Teacher are two I just played last weekend where the mc has to confront cheaters and move on.
I totally disagree with those that say the only way Fallen Roads can be good is if Ava is an unfaithful slut. I think it could be good either way and just hope the developer sticks to his game plan. It seems a primary theme is the mc's mental health issues. His own erratic behavior has hurt him in the past and continues to hold him back. It could possibly be less cliche and a better story if Ava is redeemable and the true "bad guy" to overcome is the mc's mental problems.
I'm not overly sensitive to cheating in these games. I like variety. I played something called Phuc Mi Island in which the whole point is cheating/NTR. I repeat... I have no problem with Ava as a cheater. I'm pushing back against those who say it has to be one way or bust. The reason I donated to this game is it's the first one that really has me wondering which direction it will go in.
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Have to admit... the Acting Lessons cameo caught me by surprise. I seem to be hitting the jackpot when it comes to AVN's lately. Chasing Sunsets, Summer's Gone, Rebirth, and now this? I hope this streak I'm on keeps up
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Always my reaction when you hear the words it's not what it looks like.
The cheating GF thing isn't really that prevalent, it is actually rare due to how the community reacts (F95 is like a tempest in a teapot when it comes to that subject). Overall, most games the GFs are insanely loyal and the MC is the one who fucks around either openly or behind the GF's back. Go figure that most people have no problem with that.
IIRC Bad Teacher the cheating at the beginning was just going to be a stepping off point but people wanted to see the MC have a chance to have revenge upon the ex. Even then the dev was going to let people avoid her.
The dev of this game is getting a lot of flak from some people because they feel that once a girlfriend cheats she should cease to exist. As I've stated previously the dev made it look like cheating and the MC became angry about it but that doesn't mean she did cheat. However, the whole "make it look like she cheated but really the MC was mislead/misinformed" is a common trope, I'd rather that she did cheat and they either work their way through it and end as friends or lovers or strangers. - three options. But that is a lot for a developer to render, program, and write. I hope that there are at least two options - avoid her or reconcile with her - to allow people that are sensitive to cheating to avoid her completely.
Personally, I want to see where the dev goes with the game. I find the exploration of mental health in a game interesting. If I had any way to support this dev I would but I am already pushing it.
I'm with you on Ava. Having her be the ex that made a stupid mistake that messed up both hers and the MC's lives will be a much more interesting story than the usual tropes.
Played all of these in my month-long binge. I wonder if 20-year-old me could look into the future and see 40-year-old me jerking off to digital poon would he laugh or cry? No use pondering these eternal questions. Instead I move on the next download.
Chasing Sunsets is great. Rebirth I'm on the fence about. Summer's Gone is a masterpiece, but tough to handle. It actually has me worried about my marriage. My wife has caught me watching porn before. But if she walks into my home office and catches me with my pants at my ankles, dick in hand, and tears streaming down my face, she may lose all respect for me.
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Being a voice of reason in that teapot is still support, but I get what you mean...
Iv been mostly joke posting so here is a SERIOUS POST
In terms of Ava I just want the option to nope on her whether or not deserved for whatever happened at that party. Thou looks that she willingly cheated it even says verbatim
"Ava silently agrees with a subtle nod and grabs Bryces hand". SHE grabed his hand and followed
I don't think (or want) this ONE incident is enough to make the MC a pessimist for years after but is for sure something to chose whether to let it go (if he wants), or stay mad (also justified)
In terms of Ava I just want the option to nope on her whether or not deserved for whatever happened at that party. Thou looks that she willingly cheated it even says verbatim
"Ava silently agrees with a subtle nod and grabs Bryces hand". SHE grabed his hand and followed
I don't think (or want) this ONE incident is enough to make the MC a pessimist for years after but is for sure something to chose whether to let it go (if he wants), or stay mad (also justified)