I find it infinitely funny that some people still defend Ava even after reading the play by play after playing the VN.
As you said, she was going to fuck him even if not on drugs.
As you said, she was going to fuck him even if not on drugs.
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The event happened in game and the MC was clearly upset - so I think it counts.
This update ended with the MC still thinking she cheated. He hasn't forgiven her.
The assumption is he will. But then, the last update ended with the assumption that Ava cheated.
Maybe I missed something, but Annie never stated that she believes Ava - just that the MC should talk to her.
It might be no more than 'you need to hear her out'. Or not - we don't know.
The last action we saw of Ava was rejecting Bryce.
If you want to believe that doesn't count because of the way she acted before that, then that is your choice. I disagree.
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One is a self destructive idiot that chose to ignore all your warnings and advices, but suddenly you are in the wrong for breaking up with her
And the other is clearly using you for something mysterious, which all the teasing points that will fuck the MC up (again), and totally trusts you so much (according to her) that asks you to accompany her, but doesn't trust you enough to get mad when hearing the side of the story of a complete stranger.
Fun stuff really, I'm already expecting an evil twin or a lost son/daughter to make an appearance.
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Aside from anything else the game is looking to be an emotional one yet the thread is bogged down with NTR talk.
Just to point out this is why threads get nuked by mods and warnings put up to not keep bringing it up.
The main question that scene is supposed to bring up is, can you forgive her?
I know we don't quite know what happened but just remember she did go to that party and fully intended to cheat on the MC. Even if what happened in that room was rape, it is a party she attended against her boyfriends wishes with the purpose of having sex with another man.
Now ask yourself one question, do you want to spend the rest of the game going through all the emotional turbulence this game is bound to have for a woman that was willing to fuck behind her mans back once already?
I don't know about anyone else but i've always lived by the belief that once a cheat, always a cheat and while this is a game and the dev could her the most faithful partner that ever existed, once trust in a relationship is gone it's damn hard to get back.
I'd also like for the other girl to stop lecturing the MC over shit that happened when she wasn't even around before I swap them both for a sex doll. They are pretty lifelike and don't speak so less drama.
Just to point out this is why threads get nuked by mods and warnings put up to not keep bringing it up.
The main question that scene is supposed to bring up is, can you forgive her?
I know we don't quite know what happened but just remember she did go to that party and fully intended to cheat on the MC. Even if what happened in that room was rape, it is a party she attended against her boyfriends wishes with the purpose of having sex with another man.
Now ask yourself one question, do you want to spend the rest of the game going through all the emotional turbulence this game is bound to have for a woman that was willing to fuck behind her mans back once already?
I don't know about anyone else but i've always lived by the belief that once a cheat, always a cheat and while this is a game and the dev could her the most faithful partner that ever existed, once trust in a relationship is gone it's damn hard to get back.
I'd also like for the other girl to stop lecturing the MC over shit that happened when she wasn't even around before I swap them both for a sex doll. They are pretty lifelike and don't speak so less drama.
She's his cousin, i'd hope her choice of banging the rich bald guy wouldn't ruin their friendship. She's probably only be fucking him for his money anyway unless it's the Lex from Smallville because i'd have turned straight for him.
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Yeah, the whole "friendship" with Annie is so weird. She trusts Ava's story enough that she wants the MC to immediately hear it out, but doesn't trust the MC enough to be honest about what this roadtrip is leading too.
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We all know how this ends. Dick mounts the MC while Ava and Annie berate him for not providing Dick enough pleasure.
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Is Ava a bad girlfriend. I would say yes. Should he take her back? I personally wouldn't but I'm not the MC.
If threesome becomes an option, will I take it? It's an adult fantasy game. I will.
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But that's the point here............
The dev is trying to get an emotional response from the players, and he did, taking the VN personally was the whole point.
I've said it before, i dont buy that she was raped. Lets say she was raped unconciously, the first words she said was "its not what it looks like"
If I was a girl and I slept fully clothed, only to wake up naked next to a guy who tried to sleep with me the previous night, I'm pretty sure my first words would be something along the lines of "wtf" or "where did my clothes go?" not "its not what it looks like, i can explain"
then lets say she woke up while being raped. What kind of rape victim would sleep with their rapist and try to stop their bf from beating that rapist up?
Ava straight up lying, here's a poem for her:
Caught in the sheets,
Having done the deeds,
She belong to the streets.
If I was a girl and I slept fully clothed, only to wake up naked next to a guy who tried to sleep with me the previous night, I'm pretty sure my first words would be something along the lines of "wtf" or "where did my clothes go?" not "its not what it looks like, i can explain"
then lets say she woke up while being raped. What kind of rape victim would sleep with their rapist and try to stop their bf from beating that rapist up?
Ava straight up lying, here's a poem for her:
Caught in the sheets,
Having done the deeds,
She belong to the streets.
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Sadly for the dev, I don't think revulsion was the response they were intending . . .
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The problem devs have when trying to illicit sympathy in a love interest is what they were doing before the sympathetic act happened.
As far as Ava goes she wasn't in a good spot for sympathy before the potential rape.
It's basically the dev trying to fight for sympathy for a girl that was looked down on as a junkie and also went to a part fully intending to cheat.
There is no sympathy to be found.
As a woman in a relationship it's on me to not put myself in a position that makes my partner uncomfortable which is exactly what she did. I know full well that if I went to a party where people are drugged up and there is a chance of some shit happening that I aint going there.
She not only went but was fully intending to fuck someone else.
Some people know me on here. I have done a lot of ranting defending a devs right to make the game they want and I truly believe that however I am struggling really hard to see where the dev wants this to go.
So far he's painted both LI's in a really bad light. One is a cheat who was heavily into drugs by the sounds of it. I call her a cheat because regardless of whether or not it was rape the intent was to cheat and she put herself in the position to do so. The other is clearly up to something.
As a player who loves romance, I don't get it.
I love that they are going for that emotional kick. Ever since Intertwined and Leap of Faith these games that punch direct to the feels have started taking off and that's great, a good story with purpose is more than welcome but, and I direct this to you dev, please stop making your LI's look bad.
Give us something to work with.
As far as Ava goes she wasn't in a good spot for sympathy before the potential rape.
It's basically the dev trying to fight for sympathy for a girl that was looked down on as a junkie and also went to a part fully intending to cheat.
There is no sympathy to be found.
As a woman in a relationship it's on me to not put myself in a position that makes my partner uncomfortable which is exactly what she did. I know full well that if I went to a party where people are drugged up and there is a chance of some shit happening that I aint going there.
She not only went but was fully intending to fuck someone else.
Some people know me on here. I have done a lot of ranting defending a devs right to make the game they want and I truly believe that however I am struggling really hard to see where the dev wants this to go.
So far he's painted both LI's in a really bad light. One is a cheat who was heavily into drugs by the sounds of it. I call her a cheat because regardless of whether or not it was rape the intent was to cheat and she put herself in the position to do so. The other is clearly up to something.
As a player who loves romance, I don't get it.
I love that they are going for that emotional kick. Ever since Intertwined and Leap of Faith these games that punch direct to the feels have started taking off and that's great, a good story with purpose is more than welcome but, and I direct this to you dev, please stop making your LI's look bad.
Give us something to work with.
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you're right about everything you said,however I'm not totally sure she went there with an intention to cheat.All the other points about it being a bad decision going to such dangerous environment are correct and she did want to cheat when she was there but i'm not sure her initial intention was to cheat,not that it changes anything.
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Same, I'm a sucker for romance and always look for the romance tag, and with the current game and how the current story unfolds, I don't get Ava's motivation to go out of her way to ignore everything that the MC said about the party. Unless you know, we are being emotionally manipulated by the story.
Mate that is the dev's poor excuse to paint her in a more sympathetic light. As the dev has doubled down with the realism argument, let me tell you something you might not know about Ecstasy/Molly. This drug (or most date rape drugs) does not impair judgement, that is why in the legislation around the world the condition to say it is date rape is that the victim is incapacitated (the dose has to be so high that the victim can not fight). Let me put it in another way, while the drug does give altered sensations it does not impair judgement. That is why you wont see a defense against robbery based on Molly.
While Ava is indeed incapacitated at some point, she would have agreed to cheat on the MC even without the drug. At levels beneath the incapacitation threshold Molly just makes the sex experience more intense. Molly takes about 45 min to take effect so she was not under the effect of the drug when she accepted to go upstairs.
But we got the romance tag so it has to be in a romantic way, just saying.
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Shit I ran out of reactions but your post made me laugh hard.
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"Bryan, you know, I know I let you bring me upstairs, but I'm seeing someone else so lets stop here, let me NOT call my boyfriend to come pick me up, instead I'm going to sleep here in this same bed where I almost cheated on him, apart from everyone else in this party, alone. I bet this is going to look completely normal next morning"
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That is the traditional way since antiquity to preserve the virtue of virgin maidens. Didn't all people knew that already?
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I mean there's so many coincidences that this story can hardly be called realistic. Also I don't think the characters really behave realistic but I guess that's up to the interpretation.
Yeah, I kind of got excited to play what appeared to be a serious VN but it turned out to be a parody. Shit I am going to go have some lunch and I'll return with a cooler mind.