Ren'Py Family, Friends and Strangers [v2024.01] [JohnAndRich]

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L.Lumpy

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For me, is not YET ntr :sneaky:
That's precisely my point. You're saying, "well, maybe it'll get there, but it hasn't gotten there yet." Others (back when) were screaming over "why didn't you tell me that this had all this horrible NTR in it!" Which is why the tag got added, and the warning written into the OP.

Seems like everybody's definition is different. Somebody posted here (in other words) that NTR's a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation - if you include it, people bitch. If you don't, other people bitch. So, "no win scenario."

As far as I'm concerned, Rich is telling the story he wants to. If it meets your definition and you're looking for it, great. If you didn't want it, well, the OP and the tag warned you. If you're looking for it and it doesn't meet your definition, maybe it will get there, or maybe you'll be disappointed.

Your mileage may vary. So be it. Particularly if you're not a supporter. As far as I'm concerned, nobody who pirates a game has any right to complain if it doesn't suit them...
 

oopsoops

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As I said before, it'd have been easier if you'd defined your terms.



Actually, to some extent I would argue "neither." But it all depends on your definition.

From :


The Melissa arc in this story meets certain aspects of this definition - forced against her will via blackmail. But there is zero evidence she's been "mind-bended to enjoy and/or accept the experience" or "ends up deciding to continue the affair with the instigator afterwards."

So, if your definition only includes "is blackmailed into cheating on her husband," then yes, but if you expect the extended version, then no.

Note that there were intense arguments early on in this thread as to whether or not this story constituted NTR or "just blackmail." The NTR tag and disclaimer in the OP was added so that the people that detest that would (if they paid attention) stop bitching over it. But, as with many things, "it all depends on your definition."
Simply put, your mum got f*cked by the bad guys.
Your girlfriend might get f*cked by bad guys in next update, but nothing happened yet.

If you put yourself in the bad guys perspective, it would be netori.
If you put yourself in dad's prespective, it's netorare.
But you play neither of these characters in the game. lol

Interesting story though.
 

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Simply put, your mum got f*cked by the bad guys.
Your girlfriend might get f*cked by bad guys in next update, but nothing happened yet.

If you put yourself in the bad guys perspective, it would be netori.
If you put yourself in dad's prespective, it's netorare.
But you play neither of these characters in the game. lol

Interesting story though.
Your right, but most people don’t want to watch their mom get raped either. As far as his ugly girlfriend that doesn’t putout for him I don’t care. He should fuck her mom right in front of her or record it and send her the sextape, and then bang his ex friends mom too and send that to him. I bet that would piss a lot of people off here
 

maiku123

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Your right, but most people don’t want to watch their mom get raped either. As far as his ugly girlfriend that doesn’t putout for him I don’t care. He should fuck her mom right in front of her or record it and send her the sextape, and then bang his ex friends mom too and send that to him. I bet that would piss a lot of people off here
Is not a game for everyone. The premise of this game is that any female that loves the mc would be banged in despair by someone else while the mc is oblivious to the situation or know but can do nothing but watch it happen.
 
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oopsoops

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Is not a game for everyone. The premise of this game is that any female that loves the mc would be banged in despair by someone else while the mc is oblivious to the situation or know but can do nothing but watch it happen.
The plot is quite unique. On top of what you said, it seems like the MC plays a part to push all the women who love him to get banged by the bad guys. Kinda hot in a twisted way.
 

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I would think it would be better if Becky was used by the cops without Parker's knowledge.

So he is completely clueless and Becky has to master task after task to earn Parker's freedom.

Just imagine how awesome it would be if Parker unwittingly passed the messages on to Becky, where the tasks are Parker keep cave behind the door, while he only hears the moans and whimpers without knowing that it is Becky.:devilish:
 

maiku123

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I would think it would be better if Becky was used by the cops without Parker's knowledge.

So he is completely clueless and Becky has to master task after task to earn Parker's freedom.

Just imagine how awesome it would be if Parker unwittingly passed the messages on to Becky, where the tasks are Parker keep cave behind the door, while he only hears the moans and whimpers without knowing that it is Becky.:devilish:
Sounds like NTRPG2 or spiral legend, you got my approval.
 

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I am so tired of the NTR discussions. Just play the game and if you don't like it or it makes you uncomfortable, then stop playing it. It amazes me there are more discussions about NTR when there are so many other uncomfortable issues in some of these games that seemingly are ignored. It's cheating... who gives a shit about the actual definition or nuance? If you don't like it, just move the fuck on.

smdh
 

maiku123

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I am so tired of the NTR discussions. Just play the game and if you don't like it or it makes you uncomfortable, then stop playing it. It amazes me there are more discussions about NTR when there are so many other uncomfortable issues in some of these games that seemingly are ignored. It's cheating... who gives a shit about the actual definition or nuance? If you don't like it, just move the fuck on.

smdh
I think is annoying but is not bad either, even if is annoying they are still generating discussion which leads people to the game. It would be bad if they were doing that discussion somewhere else. Is like that saying goes something like this. You might not like me and talk bad about me but at the end you are still talking about me. hahaha
 

fikka

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It's cheating... who gives a shit about the actual definition or nuance? If you don't like it, just move the fuck on.
I don't agree that it's so subtle to be ignored. One spectrum of it could be a huge turn on while the other a huge turn-off. If this discussion helps developer/contributors, etc. be more specific when tagging with simply NTR and instead do NTR (Netori) or something like that I think we might actually see lot less of the irrelevant NTR discussions. I for one love Netori but not the other two and do hope to see the more precise tag be used.

#Netorase = Let your lover have sex with someone else :cautious:
#Netorare = your lover gets stolen :eek:
#Netori = you steal someone's lover :devilish:
 
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maiku123

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I don't agree that it's so subtle to be ignored. One spectrum of it could be a huge turn on while the other a huge turn-off. If this discussion helps developer/contributors, etc. be more specific when tagging with simply NTR and instead do NTR (Netori) or something like that I think we might actually see lot less of the irrelevant NTR discussions. I for one love Netori but not the other two and do hope to see the more precise tag be used.

#Netorase = Let your lover have sex with someone else :cautious:
#Netorare = your lover gets stolen :eek:
#Netori = you steal someone's lover :devilish:
Netorare = your lover gets stolen. For me this is the good stuff. I identify with the villan and want the mc to suffer. Is just a matter of keep posting that over and over until there are no more questions about it.
 

fikka

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Netorare = your lover gets stolen. For me this is the good stuff. I identify with the villan and want the mc to suffer. Is just a matter of keep posting that over and over until there are no more questions about it.
By that statement it seems you are more in line of playing as a NPC. I like making some of the douchey moves myself, like stealing the other guys girlfriend, wife, daughter, sister... did I miss anyone ? :ROFLMAO:
 

maiku123

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By that statement it seems you are more in line of playing as a NPC. I like making some of the douchey moves myself, like stealing the other guys girlfriend, wife, daughter, sister... did I miss anyone ? :ROFLMAO:
Everyone is an npc on a visual novel xD but besides that usually with netorare you dont give a crap about the mc, you care more about what the antagonist do to make the mc suffer. Is like when there was ppl relating to Thanos in End Game, exactly the same.
 

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By that statement it seems you are more in line of playing as a NPC. I like making some of the douchey moves myself, like stealing the other guys girlfriend, wife, daughter, sister... did I miss anyone ? :ROFLMAO:
I have no problem with the MC getting cheated on if he deserves it - whether he's an ass or simply clueless. Of course, I see the MC as just another character in a fantasy game. I realize now that some people take it much more personal - which is fine as long as you don't assume everyone else thinks like you.
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I have no problem with the MC getting cheated on if he deserves it - whether he's an ass or simply clueless. Of course, I see the MC as just another character in a fantasy game. I realize now that some people take it much more personal - which is fine as long as you don't assume everyone else thinks like you.
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Yeah, it shouldnt happen in real life. Only in fiction like this vn.
 

fikka

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Everyone is an npc on a visual novel xD but besides that usually with netorare you dont give a crap about the mc, you care more about what the antagonist do to make the mc suffer. Is like when there was ppl relating to Thanos in End Game, exactly the same.
Yes, true to an extent and I get your point. But given a chance if there were 2 games. One where you could play as only Thanos and one where you could only play as an Avenger. Which one would you end up buying ? :unsure:
If it's Thanos - that's exactly my point I'm making.


I have no problem with the MC getting cheated on if he deserves it - whether he's an ass or simply clueless. Of course, I see the MC as just another character in a fantasy game. I realize now that some people take it much more personal - which is fine as long as you don't assume everyone else thinks like you.
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I think your line that "some" people take it too serious sums it up quite well. But like I say to each their own. I have dabbled with writing erotica and can relate to some people taking the POV pretty literally - after all that's what immersive porn is meant to be. Also, the narrative dictates a lot depending on whether it's written as first person, second person or third. I believe majority of the time when you want to see the MC suffer it should be in third person where you would read the text as "MC's girlfriend was subjected to suck the bully's dick" compared to "My girlfriend.." or "Your girlfriend..". Most games take a name as input for the MC, so it should be easy to implement if that's what the intention is.
 

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Yes, true to an extent and I get your point. But given a chance if there were 2 games. One where you could play as only Thanos and one where you could only play as an Avenger. Which one would you end up buying ? :unsure:
If it's Thanos - that's exactly my point I'm making.




I think your line that "some" people take it too serious sums it up quite well. But like I say to each their own. I have dabbled with writing erotica and can relate to some people taking the POV pretty literally - after all that's what immersive porn is meant to be. Also, the narrative dictates a lot depending on whether it's written as first person, second person or third. I believe majority of the time when you want to see the MC suffer it should be in third person where you would read the text as "MC's girlfriend was subjected to suck the bully's dick" compared to "My girlfriend.." or "Your girlfriend..". Most games take a name as input for the MC, so it should be easy to implement if that's what the intention is.

probably I would buy both but is kinda different because I am not one of the characters. Im an spectator on a visual novel, game, movie etc. Im just watching how the play untangle. For me is always a work of fiction, is just a creation of someone else mind. Me personally I dont take it like I am the mc or the villian or anyone in specific in the movie, game or tv show when I watch them or play them. For me is just a play, like when you are the dungeon master on DnD. Im just an spectator and tbh I have already seen so many harem games, so many good guys always win games so sometimes is nice to take a break and have the mc feel despair. Is a breath of fresh air but is not like I become the villian because i play a game, im still me in real life. I think the problem with ppl is that they just try to jump the 4 wall between reality and fiction.

Now you mention that about playing as thanos or the avengers, there is one h-game that is call guerrilla something. Is from liquid i believe, you can have both on different timelines.
 
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