I would happily pay in to patreon if it meant a new chapter
It'll take more than just you. Based on his previous posts Ancho either expected this to take off to a far greater degree than it did or he kept sinking more time and effort into it than its income deserved. From the sound of things Fantasy Valley was mismanaged considerably and it burned him out.
Sorry to hear that. Just played the last chapter and was wondering where it was headed.
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quick question. How where you able to play the game. I just finish chapter 5 and unfortunately cannot find the 6-10 chapters. Is it website you use?
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The main links in the download section of the OP contain chapters 6-10. Chapters 1-5 are under a separate spoiler below.
Very rarely make an actual post, but it's very sad to have this pretty much dead. One of my top 5 games for sure.
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Personally, I think rough early chapters scared a lot of people off. I mean, the art in those chapters isn't the best and that not-NTR scene at the beginning for sure did. I think that's why before he quit the project, Ancho was redoing those early chapters. It was probably too daunting a task though and he just decided to scrap the whole thing and move on. It's a damn shame too. The second half of the game reigns in my top 5 porn games ever. This was an amazing game.
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Yes, that's the scene, but technically, it's not actually NTR. By definition anyway.
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I don't really agree with that, because jealousy is involved in the definition and that'll be very subjective. I only mention this because it's fairly obvious from feedback that some people were extremely turned-off by it (to put it nicely), and I really think that damaged the game. Because obviously for us that played it, we know that never happens again. That's why it "damaged" it, since it turned off a seemingly decent chunk of the actual player-base.
Forgive me if I forgot the details after a long time, but the game was setting her up as a LI. It informed us about her ex and how much of a dick he is, and Sarah says she would NEVER be with him again. It's clear our MC will pursue her at this point. That is why it hit a lot of players when they're then shown a scene like that - I remember it hitting me negatively as well. But I just choked it down and continued after reading here, that it would be the only time a scene like that would show.
I think it's unfortunate, because the rest is good, and it gets better the further you go. I personally think that scene doesn't really do anything important for the story or characters, that couldn't have been portrayed in many other ways. I'm not saying a creator should change everything for the fan-base, but it would've been strategic to modify it as it is not integral to the story. I also take stuff like that into account with what I create.
All that being said, the art style was something that grew on me. I wasn't super into it at first, and I imagine it's the same with many others. I would guess that also had many people avoid it, even if they would've ended up greatly enjoying it if they gave it a chance.
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Some people are turned off by scenes with women having sex with their own boyfriends/husbands. Can understand why, but that doesn't make it NTR. Even with this scene (don't remember it clearly, it's been ages since I played the beginning), it didn't seem that the MC was jealous, more like concerned about why she was in that position.
For me, NTR requires some degree of broken trust between the two parties, which is what generates the anger/jealousy. At this point in the story, Sarah's just an old friend who isn't romantically interested in the MC yet. Even while MC's laying it on thick with the flattery and flirting, her responses are appreciative but platonic. Again, I can understand a player getting jealous with that scene, but if we stretch the definition of NTR to what induces jealousy in the player rather than in the character, then it's going to be too broad a definition to be useful.
(Ah shit, I've contributed to the most overexposed genre topic in this forum. What a fail.)
Agree with the rest of the post, though.
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Vague definitions aside, what matters in the end is player response. I think that even now, dropping a new version where the scene has been removed, or whatever surrounding it has been modified to avoid that response - would do it good. But Ancho is kinda MIA, and I'm not sure what his thoughts are on this... but it would've been interesting to see.
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^ True, although if you take the perceived player response to something like the infamous choice in Acting Lessons (which even I thought was hilarious - the choice, not the response), you'd have imagined that DPC would've either quit or retconned the scene, but instead he soldiered on, wrapped it up, and went bigger and better with his next game (which also has some controversial scenarios for players who don't like to share). Although maybe since that scene was further into the game than this one, maybe players were already too invested to quit. But sometimes it's better to stick to your guns.
With FV, seems like the combination of the rough early art (which I still liked), the early Sarah scene, the semi-sandbox world (adult game players really don't like to navigate through environments), the absence of any gold ticket fetishes (mainly incest), and the lack of marketing took its toll on the growth of the audience.
With FV, seems like the combination of the rough early art (which I still liked), the early Sarah scene, the semi-sandbox world (adult game players really don't like to navigate through environments), the absence of any gold ticket fetishes (mainly incest), and the lack of marketing took its toll on the growth of the audience.
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Yeah, I kinda agree with you on the NTR thing, but I have to say that or I risk being jumped by the NTR police. They used to be pretty bad around here before the game got abandoned and in general it's just kind of a hot button topic. I agree that it at least feels like NTR, but I also recognize that it is not by definition. That's really all I'll say about it though. I am NOT going down that road again.I don't really agree with that, because jealousy is involved in the definition and that'll be very subjective. I only mention this because it's fairly obvious from feedback that some people were extremely turned-off by it (to put it nicely), and I really think that damaged the game. Because obviously for us that played it, we know that never happens again. That's why it "damaged" it, since it turned off a seemingly decent chunk of the actual player-base.
Forgive me if I forgot the details after a long time, but the game was setting her up as a LI. It informed us about her ex and how much of a dick he is, and Sarah says she would NEVER be with him again. It's clear our MC will pursue her at this point. That is why it hit a lot of players when they're then shown a scene like that - I remember it hitting me negatively as well. But I just choked it down and continued after reading here, that it would be the only time a scene like that would show.
I think it's unfortunate, because the rest is good, and it gets better the further you go. I personally think that scene doesn't really do anything important for the story or characters, that couldn't have been portrayed in many other ways. I'm not saying a creator should change everything for the fan-base, but it would've been strategic to modify it as it is not integral to the story. I also take stuff like that into account with what I create.
All that being said, the art style was something that grew on me. I wasn't super into it at first, and I imagine it's the same with many others. I would guess that also had many people avoid it, even if they would've ended up greatly enjoying it if they gave it a chance.
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Yeah I agree sticking to your guns is a way to go, if that's really the content you want to make and the audience whom you seek. But I didn't focus on that aspect in this case, because I'd say the rest of the chapters show clearly that wasn't the route Ancho was going anyway.
I only found FV because I came across a list of games who had "netori" in them to some extent. Never seen it anywhere else. I assume Ancho didn't have a big social media presence or similar?
Nah wasn't trying to go down any slippy slope roads, that's why I focused on the player response part. ^^
Sarah doesn't explicitly say she's not going to fuck Bradley anymore. Rather, she says she's been trying to undo that mistake. So, she doesn't outright lie. But, if you don't come into the game expecting your love interests to get fucked by other guys you will feel NTR'd or at least cucked. Regardless of the technical definition. Not to mention the fact that she won't fuck you as long as he's around. Even though she's clearly into you. She's also a fucking hypocrite for helping him cheat on his girlfriend. But, she won't touch you as long as she's your "boss."
Add Vera and Sam to the list of girls who say to your face they'd drop you like a bad habit something better comes along. And the girls you have to share with another dude. The first sex scene being MC getting a handjob while watching his long term crush get fucked by the then main antagonist. And you get this deceptively cucky game masquerading as a haremesque fantasy game.
But, most bitching and moaning aside the game has one fatal flaw. The writer straight-up doesn't really know why his characters are having sex most of the time. Meaning most sex scenes don't serve the purpose he wants them to. Which contrasts too wildly with the crisp dialogue and the intriguing overarching plot. Leaving the player/reader feeling frustrated because it's neither satisfying or trashy enough to fap to. If the author didn't feel the need to put a sex scene in every chapter the infamous barn scene wouldn't have happened. Instead, you could have him threaten the MC by saying he'll get her back. At least then you could say it's slow but, it's well written.
Add Vera and Sam to the list of girls who say to your face they'd drop you like a bad habit something better comes along. And the girls you have to share with another dude. The first sex scene being MC getting a handjob while watching his long term crush get fucked by the then main antagonist. And you get this deceptively cucky game masquerading as a haremesque fantasy game.
But, most bitching and moaning aside the game has one fatal flaw. The writer straight-up doesn't really know why his characters are having sex most of the time. Meaning most sex scenes don't serve the purpose he wants them to. Which contrasts too wildly with the crisp dialogue and the intriguing overarching plot. Leaving the player/reader feeling frustrated because it's neither satisfying or trashy enough to fap to. If the author didn't feel the need to put a sex scene in every chapter the infamous barn scene wouldn't have happened. Instead, you could have him threaten the MC by saying he'll get her back. At least then you could say it's slow but, it's well written.