Ren'Py Fashion Business [Ep.4 v10.00 Extra] [DecentMonkey]

[agn25]

Stockholm syndrome is a proposed condition or

You must be registered to see the links

that tries to explain why hostages sometimes develop a

You must be registered to see the links

bond with their captors.

You must be registered to see the links

You must be registered to see the links

It is supposed to result from a rather specific set of circumstances, namely the power imbalances contained in

You must be registered to see the links

,

You must be registered to see the links

, and abusive relationships. Therefore, it is difficult to find a large number of people who experience Stockholm syndrome to conduct studies with any sort of validity or useful sample size. This makes it hard to determine trends in the development and effects of the condition,

You must be registered to see the links

and in fact it is a "contested illness" due to doubts about the legitimacy of the condition.

You must be registered to see the links

Emotional bonds can possibly form between captors and captives, during intimate time together, but these are considered irrational by some in light of the danger or risk endured by the victims. Stockholm syndrome has never been included in the

You must be registered to see the links

(DSM), the standard tool for diagnosis of psychiatric illnesses and disorders in the United States, mainly due to the lack of a consistent body of academic research.

You must be registered to see the links

The syndrome is rare: according to data from the

You must be registered to see the links

, about 8% of hostage victims show evidence of Stockholm syndrome.

You must be registered to see the links

I knew someone would bring that up. Not only is this "condition" as said in your quote, "never been included in the

You must be registered to see the links

(DSM), the standard tool for diagnosis of psychiatric illnesses and disorders in the United States" it also originally was about specifically hostages and captors " Stockholm syndrome is a proposed condition claiming that during a hostage situation, victims can become hopelessly attached to their captors."
Being treated as poorly as Monica has been will not lead to the so called "condition". I'll add also that Monica is not a hostage.

 

[agn25]

According to DM's reply, the Basement quest will have multiple (2?) endings. Yeah, the most obvious one is "The Farm", given the visitors who come to visit Monica. As for the second ending in the basement, I suppose it could be a (weirdly) twisted romantic ending. I'm pretty sure that Philip is in love with Monica in his own way (think back to the very beginning of the basement quest, Philip's dance with Monica, and flashbacks from the past). So I can assume that at the end of Monica's ministry in the basement, we are in for something similar:

Spoiler

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

The slave romantic ending could work as long as all the romance was on Phillip's side. An ending where Monica chooses to stay with Phillip or Marcus to avoid her fate at the farm, works well if Monica must convince either that she wants to be with them. Like she has with Ralph and Julia but much more hardcore.
An end where Monica actually falls for either Phillip or Marcus would be worse than what we have with Fred.

 

[exazubi]

And when you get through the game, please tell me how long it took you. I was aiming for 60 hours without skipping dialog.

Oh dear, I'm the wrong one. I play pretty thoroughly, save a lot and try out all the options. It takes me a lot longer than average.

 

[wildride69]

I knew someone would bring that up. Not only is this "condition" as said in your quote, "never been included in the

You must be registered to see the links

(DSM), the standard tool for diagnosis of psychiatric illnesses and disorders in the United States" it also originally was about specifically hostages and captors " Stockholm syndrome is a proposed condition claiming that during a hostage situation, victims can become hopelessly attached to their captors."
Being treated as poorly as Monica has been will not lead to the so called "condition". I'll add also that Monica is not a hostage.

True she is not a hostage but we can characterize her as being in an abusive relationship with other characters. Just like her prison scene for example guys that go into prison completely straight and get turned into the prison bitch. After sometime of hating it but unable to do anything about it (plus having many years to go) accept it and may even derive pleasure from it as there survival rationalization instinct kicks in.

So I disagree with you only on "someone being abused and humiliated so much that they begin to like it" maybe not "like" but accept it and do what they have to do to survive. Like a Ho and pimp, the ho may not like it but they eventually accept it if beaten down enough.

A rational mind would say "I would rather die than let that happen to me" but out of 100 people how many would die versus how many would continue to fight for life even if it means accepting there fate or current situation.

 

[agn25]

True she is not a hostage but we can characterize her as being in an abusive relationship with other characters. Just like her prison scene for example guys that go into prison completely straight and get turned into the prison bitch. After sometime of hating it but unable to do anything about it (plus having many years to go) accept it and may even derive pleasure from it as there survival rationalization instinct kicks in.

So I disagree with you only on "someone being abused and humiliated so much that they begin to like it" maybe not "like" but accept it and do what they have to do to survive. Like a Ho and pimp, the ho may not like it but they eventually accept it if beaten down enough.

A rational mind would say "I would rather die than let that happen to me" but out of 100 people how many would die versus how many would continue to fight for life even if it means accepting there fate or current situation.

Yeah people will do all sorts of things to survive. Doesn't mean they like doing it. Monica eventually liking the basement events makes no sense to me. She will do all sorts of things we the players like though.

 

[EraRamp]

Page 893

 

[EraRamp]

It's been a long time, but

 

[qazxsw80]

Sorry but the whole idea of someone being abused and humiliated so much that they begin to like it, makes no sense to me. We already have Fred and "the magic cock". That at least is just her enjoying being fucked by Fred. To suggest anything so far that has happened in the basement would be enjoyable or would lead to some sort of enjoyment is crazy. I suspect with what Decent Monkey has let out of the bag with that answer, that Phillip is going to send her to the farm after he has trained her enough for them. This will probably end with her becoming the farms well trained "fuck meat".

I also suspect that if Monica uses the safe word she will quickly be picked up and sent to the farm once Decent Monkey completes that ending. Either way the choice to agree to the basement will lead to the bad farm end.

Well, it could be made a little bit different, if you insist. For example, Monica goes through so much humiliation and abuse that she kind of loses it. Like a mind break. A bad end. Monica becomes fuckmeat.

I wonder what's the plan after finishing the game?
Decent Monkey is gonna close that Patreon account and concetrate his attention on two other games? Or he'll just start developing some another vanila game that will work well with Steam rules? Somehow I doubt that he'll start making something similar with Fashion Business, that is a female protagonist game with the main focus on humiliation and corruption.
Did he share his ideas on his discord or whatever?

 

[Stan5851]

The slave romantic ending could work as long as all the romance was on Phillip's side. An ending where Monica chooses to stay with Phillip or Marcus to avoid her fate at the farm, works well if Monica must convince either that she wants to be with them. Like she has with Ralph and Julia but much more hardcore.
An end where Monica actually falls for either Phillip or Marcus would be worse than what we have with Fred.

That's exactly what I was talking about. And, of course, Monica being genuinely in love with Philip or Marcus is out of the question. Monica despised them and will continue to do so (and rightly so). But since her life is at stake, she can fake it.

 

[exazubi]

Well, now I nearly finished episode 2.

There are two more options to do. First the optional Marcus Quest, next the Appartement in the slums (at first I decided against her. but that can still be done )

But there are 3 quests that I couldn't solve. I'm curious if someone can give me some information:

Spoiler: Steve

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

Spoiler: Working on the street

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

Spoiler: Home

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

And a question at the end:

What is the end of episode 2 anyway? In episode 1, all I had to do was lie down in the basement of the villa. I haven't been able to find an ending in episode 2 yet. Does it exist?

Thanks in advance

 

[Ostego]

Well, it could be made a little bit different, if you insist. For example, Monica goes through so much humiliation and abuse that she kind of loses it. Like a mind break. A bad end. Monica becomes fuckmeat.

I wonder what's the plan after finishing the game?
Decent Monkey is gonna close that Patreon account and concetrate his attention on two other games? Or he'll just start developing some another vanila game that will work well with Steam rules? Somehow I doubt that he'll start making something similar with Fashion Business, that is a female protagonist game with the main focus on humiliation and corruption.
Did he share his ideas on his discord or whatever?

nope. FB like games not finance popular.

 

[Stan5851]

I have signed the 7th contract with him. Also the contract with Jane. And even though I've eaten at the hotel several times with his ticket, the Dinner at a restaurant with Jane ticket step is still open.

What am I missing?

AFAIR, this quest doesn't commit to anything and is not a trigger for anything. You can just send Monica off with this ticket and she can eat at the restaurant. That's it for now.

I refused to give my stranger a BJ. However, the quest is still open. According to the walktrough I can meet Perry near the prostitutes and still catch up on the quest. But she never does.

Well at least this is a known bug that will hopefully be solved sometime.

See FAQ (1.4.15).

And at the very end Go to the gym with Betty" is still open.

What am I missing now? And how do I get it?

This quest cannot be completed in ep2, it will continue in ep3.

And a question at the end:

What is the end of episode 2 anyway? In episode 1, all I had to do was lie down in the basement of the villa. I haven't been able to find an ending in episode 2 yet. Does it exist?

Thanks in advance

See FAQ (1.3.5)

 

[wildride69]

Well, it could be made a little bit different, if you insist. For example, Monica goes through so much humiliation and abuse that she kind of loses it. Like a mind break. A bad end. Monica becomes fuckmeat.

I wonder what's the plan after finishing the game?
Decent Monkey is gonna close that Patreon account and concetrate his attention on two other games? Or he'll just start developing some another vanila game that will work well with Steam rules? Somehow I doubt that he'll start making something similar with Fashion Business, that is a female protagonist game with the main focus on humiliation and corruption.
Did he share his ideas on his discord or whatever?

This story with out the early Bardie content is fairly tame compared to most VN's I have no doubt a new game along these lines would not have an issue. Bardie with his lets say questionable age did this game in on steam.

 

[kason42]

What model is Melanie in Daz?

 

[Ostego]

What model is Melanie in Daz?

You must be registered to see the links

 

[wildride69]

What model is Melanie in Daz?

Melanie needs her Own Story and Claire we should start a poll on the Patreon!

 

[Stan5851]

You must be registered to see the links

A dream woman.

 

[kason42]

You must be registered to see the links

Thanks!

 

[Ostego]

any ideas about Claire in Daz ? I think she was posted somewhere (fan thread?)

on 1st pages of fan thread there`s list with models

 

[agn25]

Well, it could be made a little bit different, if you insist. For example, Monica goes through so much humiliation and abuse that she kind of loses it. Like a mind break. A bad end. Monica becomes fuckmeat.

I wonder what's the plan after finishing the game?
Decent Monkey is gonna close that Patreon account and concetrate his attention on two other games? Or he'll just start developing some another vanila game that will work well with Steam rules? Somehow I doubt that he'll start making something similar with Fashion Business, that is a female protagonist game with the main focus on humiliation and corruption.
Did he share his ideas on his discord or whatever?

Come on mate. I'm not insisting on anything. If DM writes an ending to the basement quest with her growing to like it, there not much I could do about it other than call it out as poor.

On the future of his Patreon page after completing the game, your guess is as good as mine. I haven't been on the discord in over a year and pretty much get most of my information on the game from this thread. If he did start another game under his Decent Monkey alias there would be no chance of a steam release, as it was his account that was banned not just the game.

Id like him to go back and clean up some of the messy parts of the game in ep2 after the game is finished. Something like a "directors cut" that streamlines a lot of the ideas and proposed scenes that were to come in future updates but were never implemented. Maybe re-think the games economy once the game is done so the amount of money she earns or the amount of corruption gained is better balanced. Some extra dialogue for when Monica repeats any of the Photo-shoots so the game acknowledges that she has already shot in that outfit. A combined ep2 and ep3 I would welcome. Only issue is the removal of Bardie that this version would no doubt have.

The other part of ep2 I find now as a big missed opportunity is the scenes with Steve when Monica blows him for Victoria's $5000. These scenes as they play out are just dull after the first or second deal. What would have worked better is if Steve insisted that Monica takes him deeper each week if she wants to earn her $5000. We could of had a gradual set of scenes with Monica being trained to deepthroat Steve with her managing to equal Mailey's talent by the end of the seventh deal. It is however the way it is and I don't think he will change it now.

As to what his actual plans are I have no idea.