Ren'Py Fashion Business [Ep.4 v7.01 Extra] [DecentMonkey]

[User #1751331]

I have read your idea and to be honest if that is FB's story i won't play it. I think you misunderstand the dev 's idea for this game. This game is about the humiliation Monica has to endure through the progression of the game. The humiliation will get worse as the game goes on.in your idea, she is smart and try to escape her situation in various way which will not interest me at all.I don't see any kind of humiliation that i can enjoy from your description.

An example i can give you in this game is when Monica has to work as a mannequin in the clothing shop. It has one of the best humiliation scenes i enjoy. There are many other good scenes where monica has to fuck someone she doesn't like.The lesbian scene from the recent update is pretty good too. That is what we like about this game. Your idea will ruin everything.

However i still respect your idea and i think the dev can use your idea for the revenge part. You need to give some respects or the dev since he has been working hard to frequently update his game with no delay.Creating a game is not an easy job. Right now you are just an idea guy so you can think whatever you want but there are a lot of limits you can only see when you creat a game yourself.

You're missing the point. People struggle against what is going on to them. They also don't be come sudden idiots over night.
There is no slope of progression here where her actions though fighting against it lead to one progression after another.
She is simply smart one day and a complete moron the next.
The only reason given for accepting each thing is just the one, Monica panics and fear makes her think that is the only option she has.

In my story it leads to the same area, yea she could technically end up back on top not very likely and sure as hell not without being changed. She could also end a $10 whore on a street corner.

The difference is it doesn't require me suddenly making her stupid the day she gets out of jail and then just using blind ignorant fear as the only option to get there. Like I showed towards the end such options would be left for extreme case areas were they actually fit in and make sense. The rest of the time she creates her own path of woes willingly because she seeks the revenge path. How successful that is becomes up to the player.

So you get all this type of content and more included plus you aren't forced to grind near as much.
Right now the way the game is written. You wouldn't loose out on the story if you extracted the images and just watched it in a viewer. and every so often flashed up on the screen monica panics and feels she has to do this.

 

[randomuser1812]

I'm having trouble with the dancing I keep being told I don't have enough experience dancing and can't do all poses but I've danced in the shiny hole a ton of times. What am I missing?

 

[Yossarian1]

What I am most curious about in this game is how far Monica will go in slum events.

 

[Darkman_13]

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[Deleted member 1273790]

Most people if their lives have fallen and a lot of pressure from bad people, that person will change his character whether that which was good to bad or bad to good.
Most people also when entering into a dark world, that person will enjoy it even if it is forced and the hypocritical nature of that person will disappear.

But unlike Monica, her life has fallen, a lot of pressure from bad people, has entered into a dark world. but his evil nature is still there and he is still a hypocrite.

 

[User #1751331]

Most people if their lives have fallen and a lot of pressure from bad people, that person will change his character whether that which was good to bad or bad to good.
Most people also when entering into a dark world, that person will enjoy it even if it is forced and the hypocritical nature of that person will disappear.

But unlike Monica, her life has fallen, a lot of pressure from bad people, has entered into a dark world. but his evil nature is still there and he is still a hypocrite.

It doesn't happen that fast or this easy. You don't have to a photo journalist or war corespondent to see that. All you need to do is pick up something and read the news try some papers and publications from outside your country. Translate them if need be.
Shit happens all the time. This is nothing compared to what others in real life endured and didn't fall apart. The fact is most don't they may loose their step their balance for a short bit but then they tend to start moving again and functioning and they think and plan and do whatever the hell they can to try and get back up. I can safely say I seen millions do it.

You don't make a 100 million dollar company without a good number of ups and downs. It's like you people think being the CEO of such a company is a cake walk and requires less effort. If you think like that you are an utter moron. I sit on a few boards and chair 2. My family couldn't afford to send me to college so everything from 15 on I earned. The work I did early on was easy compared to the stupid shit I deal with now. Back then I usually had to worry about some task or another, be working on electrical or construction or whatever I was doing at that time to make money. I didn't have to worry about all the shit employees do, stupid management decisions from people under me, ensuring the company remain solvent so those employees still have a job. I didn't have to deal with all the shit heads from other companies that think you are another mark to try and run some scam on. And yet I still manage to do several other jobs besides this because I like getting my hands into the actual work.
It's as if most he people on this forum have ZERO idea of the responsibility and stress there in a CEO position of a large firm. Miss manage the company can lead to a lot more than simple loss of profits and you loosing your job. You can be sued for those losses if they can prove negligence. Hell if you fuck up bad enough you could wind up with criminal charges. Some countries are more strict than others with rules. That's another issue if you company is multinational you might hire lawyers to sort out the laws but at the end of the day its your ass that is responsible when shit has to be answered for.

You guys think this little bit of Dick waving by the cops is going to cause CEOs stress more likely you are going to piss them off. Most of that company would never have simply come in those that did would usually bring a lawyer or notify them before hand they are on the way over meet them there or even had them with only one number left to dial phone in hand. When you get there any good security company is going to teach you about personal security and those methods to keep calm appraise the situation and don't try and simply run off. She also should have had her security with her not just the stupid driver Fred. I've never seen someone so stupid as a driver hired by a firm. They might get hired if the firm books a car in area they are visiting shortly. That said. I seen them bring their security use multiple cars and travel as detail. K&R(Kidnap & ransom) is a real risk in some places.

Imagine you are CEO and the CFO embezzles funds you discover it and turn them in. Guess who is still going to be held potentially liable. That's right you because it happened on your watch under your nose and leadership. You didn't prevent it!

I stupid excuses work for you and they allow you to enjoy the game great for you.
They don't work for me.

For those of you who give two shits about facts but don't already know. Research how much work a CEO, CFO, Chairman, Director, President...actually do their responsibility and risk factors they can face.

 

[Deleted member 186342]

It doesn't happen that fast or this easy. You don't have to a photo journalist or war corespondent to see that. All you need to do is pick up something and read the news try some papers and publications from outside your country. Translate them if need be.
Shit happens all the time. This is nothing compared to what others in real life endured and didn't fall apart. The fact is most don't they may loose their step their balance for a short bit but then they tend to start moving again and functioning and they think and plan and do whatever the hell they can to try and get back up. I can safely say I seen millions do it.

You don't make a 100 million dollar company without a good number of ups and downs. It's like you people think being the CEO of such a company is a cake walk and requires less effort. If you think like that you are an utter moron. I sit on a few boards and chair 2. My family couldn't afford to send me to college so everything from 15 on I earned. The work I did early on was easy compared to the stupid shit I deal with now. Back then I usually had to worry about some task or another, be working on electrical or construction or whatever I was doing at that time to make money. I didn't have to worry about all the shit employees do, stupid management decisions from people under me, ensuring the company remain solvent so those employees still have a job. I didn't have to deal with all the shit heads from other companies that think you are another mark to try and run some scam on. And yet I still manage to do several other jobs besides this because I like getting my hands into the actual work.
It's as if most he people on this forum have ZERO idea of the responsibility and stress there in a CEO position of a large firm. Miss manage the company can lead to a lot more than simple loss of profits and you loosing your job. You can be sued for those losses if they can prove negligence. Hell if you fuck up bad enough you could wind up with criminal charges. Some countries are more strict than others with rules. That's another issue if you company is multinational you might hire lawyers to sort out the laws but at the end of the day its your ass that is responsible when shit has to be answered for.

You guys think this little bit of Dick waving by the cops is going to cause CEOs stress more likely you are going to piss them off. Most of that company would never have simply come in those that did would usually bring a lawyer or notify them before hand they are on the way over meet them there or even had them with only one number left to dial phone in hand. When you get there any good security company is going to teach you about personal security and those methods to keep calm appraise the situation and don't try and simply run off. She also should have had her security with her not just the stupid driver Fred. I've never seen someone so stupid as a driver hired by a firm. They might get hired if the firm books a car in area they are visiting shortly. That said. I seen them bring their security use multiple cars and travel as detail. K&R(Kidnap & ransom) is a real risk in some places.

Imagine you are CEO and the CFO embezzles funds you discover it and turn them in. Guess who is still going to be held potentially liable. That's right you because it happened on your watch under your nose and leadership. You didn't prevent it!

I stupid excuses work for you and they allow you to enjoy the game great for you.
They don't work for me.

For those of you who give two shits about facts but don't already know. Research how much work a CEO, CFO, Chairman, Director, President...actually do their responsibility and risk factors they can face.

Of course people in this site understand what a CEO means. However they don't need that much detail in the games. It is a fantasy world after all. Why do you need that kind of realism in the plot instead you can keep it simple so we can have fun playing it. If you play GTA, you will follow all the traffic rule in real life ? Or you will not kill any one in a game ?. As a dev you sometimes have to avoid realism so they don't bore the player. Even though the dev did apply those kind of realism, it can easily be ignored by the players because that is reason they play the game.

I really want to know what game you like on this site because your standard for the plot is quite high for a porn game.

 

[notapeterparker]

Guys, there's a Christmas contest here in F95zone and i can't find Decentmonkey is voted (yet). Why don't you all vote for him?

Here's the link,
https://f95zone.to/threads/christmas-contest-2019.42561/

 

[Creeping Death]

Guys, there's a Christmas contest here in F95zone and i can't find Decentmonkey is voted (yet). Why don't you all vote for him?

Here's the link,
https://f95zone.to/threads/christmas-contest-2019.42561/

Because only Donors are allowed to vote and the dev must not have more than 500 supporters ... so you obviously didn't read anything in the linked thread

 

[notapeterparker]

Because only Donors are allowed to vote and the dev must not have more than 500 supporters ... so you obviously didn't read anything in the linked thread

lol i only know that i can't do vote because i ain't a donor sir. But perhaps we have some donors here

 

[Creeping Death]

lol i only know that i can't do vote because i ain't a donor sir. But perhaps we have some donors here

Decentmonkey got more than 1000 patreon supporters, so he isn't allowed to be voted on (grammar alert )

 

[DinoZ7]

Good game but less grind, please.

 

[User #1751331]

Of course people in this site understand what a CEO means. However they don't need that much detail in the games. It is a fantasy world after all. Why do you need that kind of realism in the plot instead you can keep it simple so we can have fun playing it. If you play GTA, you will follow all the traffic rule in real life ? Or you will not kill any one in a game ?. As a dev you sometimes have to avoid realism so they don't bore the player. Even though the dev did apply those kind of realism, it can easily be ignored by the players because that is reason they play the game.

I really want to know what game you like on this site because your standard for the plot is quite high for a porn game.

Ok, you know how some people go to a movie and they don't notice any issues with it like lazers exploding on nothing in space or that explosion making noise.
Well generally that has to do with the people's ability get absorbed into the movie. Generally the higher the IQ and more educated they are the more stuff becomes obvious to them and stands out creating a disconnect.
I guess for a 8th grade level of education the current writing is adequate for anyone with a more education yea not so much. When I say 8th grade I mean post 1978. Since 1978 education has been on a decline in most western cultures. There are some exceptions. Why did I choose 8th grade it happens to be the level of education military manuals are written and targeted at. The vast majority of games don't meat 5th and 6th grade level. That is in part due to English being a second language for at least some of the authors.

There are a number of rules also when it comes to writing and plenty of papers and sites covering how using to many inconsistency with reality causes reader disconnect. The are plenty of free course on how to write properly and avoid such issues. 130 million books currently in print and the ability to look at their performance and see why they do poorly isn't hard these days. Publishers live by information like this after all its their bread and butter.

I suggest you and the authors, take the time out and google realism and stories and how much is needed vs unreal.

I guess the other people this story might work for besides the lower intellectual variety is those interested in fapping and don't bother reading it. If that's the case you really don't need the text just a picture viewer.

You don't need to believe me search look through the results of other professional writers.

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[Deleted member 186342]

Ok, you know how some people go to a movie and they don't notice any issues with it like lazers exploding on nothing in space or that explosion making noise.
Well generally that has to do with the people's ability get absorbed into the movie. Generally the higher the IQ and more educated they are the more stuff becomes obvious to them and stands out creating a disconnect.
I guess for a 8th grade level of education the current writing is adequate for anyone with a more education yea not so much. When I say 8th grade I mean post 1978. Since 1978 education has been on a decline in most western cultures. There are some exceptions. Why did I choose 8th grade it happens to be the level of education military manuals are written and targeted at. The vast majority of games don't meat 5th and 6th grade level. That is in part due to English being a second language for at least some of the authors.

There are a number of rules also when it comes to writing and plenty of papers and sites covering how using to many inconsistency with reality causes reader disconnect. The are plenty of free course on how to write properly and avoid such issues. 130 million books currently in print and the ability to look at their performance and see why they do poorly isn't hard these days. Publishers live by information like this after all its their bread and butter.

I suggest you and the authors, take the time out and google realism and stories and how much is needed vs unreal.

I guess the other people this story might work for besides the lower intellectual variety is those interested in fapping and don't bother reading it. If that's the case you really don't need the text just a picture viewer.

You don't need to believe me search look through the results of other professional writers.

You must be registered to see the links

What you searching on google is completely wrong. It will be helpful for people who wants create a novel or some kind of Oscar winning movies. The story is what interests the viewer so the plot will become priority and realistic. There are many movie with a lot of stunning CGI but the stories has a lot of plothole, the characters are boring. However they still attract viewers and get tons of money.Why? because the plot is not their priority when they decide to watch those kind of movies. When you play porn games the priority should be fullfilling your sexual desire and the plot is only secondary, the plot can be unrealistic and acceptable as long as it is not a fuckfest with mindless characters. Let me fix the keyword on your google search. You should search "How realistic should porn writing be". In a novel where there is only text the writing of course will become crucial but in a porn game there are many other aspects that can attracts other player such as nice rendering, game mechanic, genre , animation, etc.

You assume that the story of FB is just for those who want fap and skip text then you are completely wrong again. In the whole Episode 2 of FB there are not a lot of sex scenes and like you said from your previous post the game has a lot of grinding with few sex scenes mostly handjob and blowjob. FB would be a terrible choice for those who " interested in fapping and don't bother reading it ". Then why the game is still popular and has over 1000 patreons. We play this game because the game fulfills our humiliation desires. To understand What the humiliation Monica has to endure is we have to read the whole thing to understand what is going on. We can't just see the images and guess the whole plot. The story may not be realistic but acceptable.

The dev 's writing may not be phenomenal but he is still able to create a great game which many people enjoy playing. Even thought it may be grinding but the reward is worth it then i'm willing to play. I don't know why you judge the people play this game as lower intellectual but it is certainly not true. You don't know a single person in this thread and you already know their IQ level. People who support this game certainly have money and job to support the creator. Next time don't judge other people's intelligence just because they have different ways of enjoying the game from you.

 

[User #1751331]

Monica did not build the company by herself.
But okay. You have opened my eyes to how dumb and stupid I am.
And how smart you are.
What next?

First, appreciate your reply. The more important part of what I say is actually in the last few paragraphs. In Green.
No kidding any large company isn't built by one person. But still the direction of the company and control of it would been hers as CEO. How many large companies stay afloat with an idiot for a CEO? Most idiots for CEOs get removed with votes of no confidence. If her company has no stock holders and no board as a privately owned company it would be loosing money and not made it to the level described by you.

You might have invented this story but you didn't invent economics or the way the world works.

The character you have in EP2 is more like the head of a secretarial pool who is on her 5 or 6th job in 10 years. She thinks she is hot shit and irreplaceable. Three quarters the time other people are left cleaning up her mess and making up for her lack of work. You know the brown-noser who thinks she can make it to the top by trying to buddy up to those above her. The reason she changes jobs is it doesn't take to long before people realize she is a worthless shit. She has no real skills or talent which is why she primarily ducks work to avoid people finding that out. She got her first job by lying about her qualifications and quit when before they could fire her when they figured it out.

Or Daddies daughter. The primary company owner wanted to put his worthless waste of a child some place to try and get her to learn. He spent more time while she was in school cleaning up her messes. Hell the only reason she made it through college is dad paid the faculty and insane amount of money to better the college. She thinks she is hot shit and can't do any wrong. Thinks everyone else is below her and no one has taken the time to explain she's wrong. She has no skills or talent other than spreading her legs and laying on her backside.

Either of those fit better than what you currently have and make more sense. They easily hate-able characters to boot. I can write a bunch more easily.

From what it looks like is you have some deep seated resentment for a prior boss.
There are several reasons I say that. The biggest has to do with the one trick pony show you been running of Monica being scared, and having no choice. You repeat that scenario over enough it could be made into a drinking game. It's on the level of you probably want to pay someone back make them feel that way.

Most other authors tend to change stuff up more even when doing a them based game.

If you want to show a person's down fall and people not feel some sort of sympathy for them you make the decision their be it arrogance or whatever. In short you make the audience feel she really is doing this to herself she deserves what she is getting. It's her just deserts. But in your story. The only part of the story that can really make you feel that way is EP1. The rest of the story she is more a victim than anything else.

So if your real aspiration was to show her downfall not her victimization then you would show that instead. But your not you are highly focused on this feeling of her feeling she has no choice and being forced to do this.

But you tell me was it supposed to be her victimization or her downfall we are watching?

Just remember one more thing. You can get into EP2 by only doing one thing bad in EP1. It still lists Monica as a "decent girl". In fact you can do quite a bit wrong and still have that title. I know I tested it. If you do nothing wrong in EP1 you don't go to jail you have the don't even go to police station. 2nd happy end is marry dick. Outside of that it only takes 1 action in EP1 to end up on the street in EP2 as a, "decent girl". You tell me does that sound like a victim or a bitch who deserves what she gets?

 

[User #1751331]

What you searching on google is completely wrong. It will be helpful for people who wants create a novel or some kind of Oscar winning movies. The story is what interests the viewer so the plot will become priority and realistic. There are many movie with a lot of stunning CGI but the stories has a lot of plothole, the characters are boring. However they still attract viewers and get tons of money.Why? because the plot is not their priority when they decide to watch those kind of movies. When you play porn games the priority should be fullfilling your sexual desire and the plot is only secondary, the plot can be unrealistic and acceptable as long as it is not a fuckfest with mindless characters. Let me fix the keyword on your google search. You should search "How realistic should porn writing be". In a novel where there is only text the writing of course will become crucial but in a porn game there are many other aspects that can attracts other player such as nice rendering, game mechanic, genre , animation, etc.

You assume that the story of FB is just for those who want fap and skip text then you are completely wrong again. In the whole Episode 2 of FB there are not a lot of sex scenes and like you said from your previous post the game has a lot of grinding with few sex scenes mostly handjob and blowjob. FB would be a terrible choice for those who " interested in fapping and don't bother reading it ". Then why the game is still popular and has over 1000 patreons. We play this game because the game fulfills our humiliation desires. To understand What the humiliation Monica has to endure is we have to read the whole thing to understand what is going on. We can't just see the images and guess the whole plot. The story may not be realistic but acceptable.

The dev 's writing may not be phenomenal but he is still able to create a great game which many people enjoy playing. Even thought it may be grinding but the reward is worth it then i'm willing to play. I don't know why you judge the people play this game as lower intellectual but it is certainly not true. You don't know a single person in this thread and you already know their IQ level. People who support this game certainly have money and job to support the creator. Next time don't judge other people's intelligence just because they have different ways of enjoying the game from you.

I already explained the issue around movies and its relation to both intelligence and education. If you wonder why then a majority of people like shit movies. Simple, IQ isn't normalized it is right skewed. In short a large portion of people have an IQ less than 100 than the number of people above 100. If you want to know why and how that it is just ask. Or google IQ right skewed.

No, I didn't assume the story was just for those who fap. Otherwise I would not have take the time to even write any of this.

At this point it's pretty clear you didn't read what you responded to.

For this to be a humiliation story it has to be her fault, her downfall. EP1 you could make her a bitch. You have a reason to resent her. EP2 She's just a victim. She doesn't create her own issues. She is the victim of everyone else in EP2.
By your standard a rape victim should be humiliated for something she had no control over that being another person's actions of forcing themselves on her. What has Monica done in EP2 that makes her the bad guy? Not shit.

By your response I seriously doubt you read the dialog. So what were you doing?

I don't judge the people who play this game as being lower intellectual . I am simply saying lower intellectual people are more likely to enjoy it because they are more likely to miss issues with the story. It's why people of lower intellect score lower on reading the SA in SAT test and so on. I'm not being insulting I'm stating a fact. But you tell me who scores higher on SAT test smart people or dumb people, who scores higher on an IQ test?

 

[Ragnaroekr]

I already explained the issue around movies and its relation to both intelligence and education. If you wonder why then a majority of people like shit movies. Simple, IQ isn't normalized it is right skewed. In short a large portion of people have an IQ less than 100 than the number of people above 100. If you want to know why and how that it is just ask. Or google IQ right skewed.

No, I didn't assume the story was just for those who fap. Otherwise I would not have take the time to even write any of this.

At this point it's pretty clear you didn't read what you responded to.

For this to be a humiliation story it has to be her fault, her downfall. EP1 you could make her a bitch. You have a reason to resent her. EP2 She's just a victim. She doesn't create her own issues. She is the victim of everyone else in EP2.
By your standard a rape victim should be humiliated for something she had no control over that being another person's actions of forcing themselves on her. What has Monica done in EP2 that makes her the bad guy? Not shit.

By your response I seriously doubt you read the dialog. So what were you doing?

I don't judge the people who play this game as being lower intellectual . I am simply saying lower intellectual people are more likely to enjoy it because they are more likely to miss issues with the story. It's why people of lower intellect score lower on reading the SA in SAT test and so on. I'm not being insulting I'm stating a fact. But you tell me who scores higher on SAT test smart people or dumb people, who scores higher on an IQ test?

I wonder why you still spend so much time in writing posts here. As you said, you deleted the game, you skipped the text and just watched the CG's because it isn't worth reading it in your eyes. Well, that's ok, it's your opinion, you can have it.

But don't forget, you complain about nearly everything in the game, but play it for free. DecentMonkey spends nearly all of his time for this project, he works very hard all day long. Besides you, 1.1k patrons appreciate his work. Not only because of the high quality renders and the outstanding love for details (just one example, have a look at Monicas finger nails or the posters and plates in the Shiny Hole), but also because of the story. English is not native language of the dev, but native speakers help him now, as for me, I help him in doing the german translation. English also isn't my native language, but it may be ok for 6th grade in your educational system.

FB is an adult game, it's not a novel written to achieve the nobel price in literature. Me and most patrons (who pay for the game and have one or two more rights when it comes to complaining), would not play the game if it was like you described it has to be. A totally realistic game could be fun, but not in the FB universe. The dev plays with emotions, he loves exaggerations and creates an alternative world. That's why we play and love the game. Of course, not everybody does or will like it. But nobody forces you to enjoy or play it. But please realise that the game will not be written as you say here it should be written. You are absolutely free to create your own game. In it, you can do whatever you want, you can write it as you wish to. When you then have 1k patrons, we can talk again about this issue.

 

[Lycan73]

tacm:

For someone claiming to "sit on a few boards and chair two," which would imply a really, really busy lifestyle, you do have plenty of time on your hands.

You don't like this game, that's fine. I have no problems with it. As I always say, "Different folks, different strokes." Ten people may like ten different things. You don't have to like this game. There were games I started out liking, but for various reasons, I ended up quitting on, although mainly because I didn't like the direction the story was headed. What did I do? I simply stopped visiting those threads and playing those games. Deleted from my system, too, just like you deleted this game from yours.

This developer's not going to retrace his steps for you. He's not going to communicate with you in private and say, "Alright, how do we do this?" and rewrite the entire game while you dictate the story. So, I fail to understand what your sticking around in this thread and constantly ranting and raving about how shitty and illogical this game is is going to achieve. We get it. You don't like the game. You've made that clear about a gazillion times already. So, could you, please, see yourself out? Every time I visit this thread, hoping for a spoiler or an update on the game, all I see is long, long lines of rants and raves from you. It's getting super annoying, to be frank.

 

[Wild Red]

This developer's not going to ... rewrite the entire game while you dictate the story.

thanks god for that !

read a lot of bullshit idk the last 10 pages. Time to spread some love and play fashion business
Merry christmas to all of you! Even to those who are CEO with an IQ way above the average

 

[oldmanyo]

need help, i can go into shiny hole but i cannot talk to bartenders, so i cannot trigger any event in the pub, can anyone tell me how to solve this please.