XJ347

Member
Sep 19, 2017
412
1,407
I think it’s not correct to call this stuff a game. It’s interactive fiction - visual novel
I get you, just know others might see it differently. You have a unique definition on the way you see it, and it's perfectly acceptable to see it that way. Personally I don't see most Rap as music but as poetry since it lacks instrumental music behind it. My definition of music is tailored, just like how you are tailoring the definition of what a game is. We are doing the same thing, we are using a personal definition which is fine, but others will see it differently.

I straight up disagree with the AI images part. If they were AI they would be better LOL. He has garbage supposedly temporary photos he has pulled from the internet, which clash with the new art. Though I think the new art is decent since it's a consistent art style. It shouldn't take that long to remake all the live action photo... but I wouldn't hold my breath. I really wish he would just contract out someone to do that for him.

I also think the writing quality is good, just not great. I think you are being harsh, writing books is really hard and a slow process. Note most writing in games on this site are actively bad. I do think Crush sees himself as an amazing writer and he isn't. He takes WAY to long to write what he does. He really needs an editor to bounce ideas off of and then edit for him to take some of the load off of him. Crush's problem is production and he needs to find a way to get help increase production.
 

robin312

Active Member
Jul 6, 2023
530
1,173
Crush's problem is production and he needs to find a way to get help increase production.
Complitely agree. I just don't get how you may be so unproductive after 5 years of training in writing during your game development and so much rework. People get a diploma in less time that this
I just want to cry when thinking about all this waste of potential and the slowest writing process in the world

I get you, just know others might see it differently. You have a unique definition on the way you see it, and it's perfectly acceptable to see it that way. Personally I don't see most Rap as music but as poetry since it lacks instrumental music behind it. My definition of music is tailored, just like how you are tailoring the definition of what a game is. We are doing the same thing, we are using a personal definition which is fine, but others will see it differently.
Unfortunately it's not my unique or personal definition, but the ugly truth
If you don't want to believe me, believe
Visual novels are distinguished from other game types by their generally minimal gameplay. Typically the majority of player interaction is limited to clicking to keep the text, graphics and sound moving as if they were turning a page[..], while making narrative choices along the way. Another main characteristic of visual novels is their strong emphasis on the prose, as the narration in visual novels is delivered through text. This characteristic makes playing visual novels similar to reading a book
 
Last edited:

ChaoticSky

Newbie
May 23, 2018
39
29
Is your save from the online version? If so you may need to load that back up and export them manually
I tried exporting and importing it. No change. It says the passage no longer exists (and going back in the history just repeats the same message with different passage names.
 
Apr 3, 2019
294
940
Complitely agree. I just don't get how you may be so unproductive after 5 years of training in writing during your game development and so much rework. People get a diploma in less time that this
I just want to cry when thinking about all this waste of potential and the slowest writing process in the world



Unfortunately it's not my unique or personal definition, but the ugly truth
If you don't want to believe me, believe
The biggest irony is that many VNs (which, by definition, have minimal gameplay), have significantly more gameplay than this one. For example, "Select the right item in your inventory to proceed", "you have to visit this place in the map at certain time", "say no twice before saying yes to get the special path", QTEs, or even just "clicking on the background to find the item" (basically, point and click adventure game-lite). This one doesn't have any of those.
 

robin312

Active Member
Jul 6, 2023
530
1,173
The biggest irony is that many VNs (which, by definition, have minimal gameplay), have significantly more gameplay than this one. For example, "Select the right item in your inventory to proceed", "you have to visit this place in the map at certain time", "say no twice before saying yes to get the special path", QTEs, or even just "clicking on the background to find the item" (basically, point and click adventure game-lite). This one doesn't have any of those.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. It's not a game
It's not even a visual novel - it's a kinetic visual novel. A book that was devided into slides

And for some reason people don't get that book and game are different thing if we are talking about developmend efford
 

Majus

Newbie
Jan 20, 2019
20
34
So true. There is this sanbox game and people always complain why it takes so long to develop it. Of course, they compare that sandbox game to a VN... :eek:
 
  • Like
Reactions: robin312

madchef

Well-Known Member
Jan 10, 2020
1,160
2,030
Just accepting the fact that the game is a linear novel and all aspects of an open world are gone, I think the game in general as it stands now, for what it is, is quite good. Crush (mostly) has good writing and the art is good.
I don't agree. Even as an attempt at erotic literature, this 'game' is quite awful, plotless and rife with pointless illussionary choices. Plus, in terms of raunchiness, it reads like a Playboy story for well-behaved gentlemen. You're basically dress and undress your two-sided paperdoll and put tons of needless makeup on her for no particular reason other than... we're in Bangkok, the long-forgotten brothel-city, where you can take a tuk-tuk or a taxi or a combination of both and it doesn't mean a thing.

When reading a gripping story or watching a great movie, do you think about the characters attire or makeup? Unless it's there to create a visually memorable scene, you don't even register their eye colors. And here, for no reason at all, most of the player's decision revolve around deciding which of the agent's lipstick would go well with the red low-set thong. Is there a combination of clothes and makeup that will unlock a triple anal orgy or something? I don't think so. So why? Do men really jerk off to putting different pieces of garment on paperdolls and then turning them around?

And don't even get me started on the trait system, suspicion level, dice roll checks and all that BS to make this product look like it's not a linear not-even-a-novel. Why would you introduce a masochistic character, which is mutually exclusive with exhibitionists and, wait for it... submissives (because you know, masochists are those strong-willed people, assertively telling their partners how often and how hard they should be mistreated), if you do not have any maso-specific choices/events for them other than an absurdly silly observation that a cat can also mean a whip?

Whoever is supporting financially this project is being taken for a ride longer than it takes an average tuk-tuk from Sukon Alley to Wat Traimit Withayaram Worawihan. There's no sex in the champagne room.
 

bearclaw01234

Member
Mar 13, 2018
328
187
Loved the game since the very beginning, but the non-con & forced sex with Connor killed all my interest in this (especially since this doesn't even have the Non-Con Tag). I can understand the forced sex at the beginning to get the job but otherwise there should always be an option to refuse sex with those trashy disgusting idiots instead of being forced to do it. It seems the whole idea of it is: ye get the choice to be a bairmaid or bargirl (club prostitute) but that's only an illusion since the game constantly forces ye to be a prostitute to Connor no matter what path ye take & then later on it forces ye to have sex with him for nothing like ye are just a jizz dump to be passed around (& the game constantly forces events on ye to forcefully make ye decide to be a bargirl no matter what ye choose to do). No thanks for this bs.
 

vicaddict

Member
Sep 29, 2019
204
421
It seems the whole idea of it is: ye get the choice to be a bairmaid or bargirl (club prostitute) but that's only an illusion since the game constantly forces ye to be a prostitute to Connor no matter what path ye take
The really odd thing about it is that Crush initially decided to change the brothel start into the barmaid start, because he felt it was too much too soon. I was in favour of it. And then the first thing you do is to get raped and cream pied to even get the job to begin with. And if that wasn't odd enough, only after several encounters do your CIA mates ask you, whether or not you are on birth control.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Pretty much every "chapter" feels like it has been delayed and delayed and delayed only to then be written within 48 hours of the final deadline. Just like so many of us did with school papers.
 

I-No

Member
Nov 20, 2021
256
768
Pretty much every "chapter" feels like it has been delayed and delayed and delayed only to then be written within 48 hours of the final deadline.
You couldn't have said it better! That's exactly the feeling I am left with after one of the rare updates we get. They are rushed and far from well written. Crush's "high standards" in story telling are merely miserable excuses for the inexplicably long update cycles.
 
  • Like
Reactions: berny

vicaddict

Member
Sep 29, 2019
204
421
You couldn't have said it better! That's exactly the feeling I am left with after one of the rare updates we get. They are rushed and far from well written. Crush's "high standards" in story telling are merely miserable excuses for the inexplicably long update cycles.
I mean you would think that after he has released an update with placeholder pictures that he would replace them quietly with the next update. If not the next one, then surely at some point, cleaning up stuff in multiple episodes, right? I mean, the hard part is the writing and the coding, not to insert a picture I would assume. Instead here we are with plenty of placeholders years after said update appeared.

It shows that he releases something and never touches it again. Out of sight, out of mind so to speak.
 

Ripe

Active Member
Jun 30, 2017
912
812
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Pretty much every "chapter" feels like it has been delayed and delayed and delayed only to then be written within 48 hours of the final deadline. Just like so many of us did with school papers.
I think you're way too generous with your 48 hours timeline... I feel like it's closer to 24 hours, if not less than that.
 
3.50 star(s) 123 Votes