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The dev is a perfectionist which is both a blessing and curse in making these games.
I don't think this holds true, given the dev is perfectly happy to release updates filled with placeholders (thai thai thai thai etc) and broken, unimplemented or abandoned features, and then let this state of things persist for literal months if not years at this point.

The only quality check they seem to employ is "do i want to wank to this?" which, don't get me wrong, is important for a porn game, but far from perfectionism.
 
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I don't think this holds true, given the dev is perfectly happy to release updates filled with placeholders (thai thai thai thai etc) and broken, unimplemented or abandoned features, and then let this state of things persist for literal months if not years at this point.

The only quality check they seem to employ is "do i want to wank to this?" which, don't get me wrong, is important for a porn game, but far from perfectionism.
He's just the perfectionist that can't see the forest for the trees.
 
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Senor Smut

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Crushstation — Today at 12:18 PM
Crushstation posted on Patreon & Subscribestar: Mapping out the valley filled with clouds (JUN 9, 2024 AT 18:13) @Notification Squad

“[It’s] what I call ‘The Valley Filled with Clouds’ technique. You’re at the edge of the valley, and there is a church steeple, and there is a tree, and there is a rocky outcrop, but the rest of it is mist. But you know that because they exist, there must be ways of getting from one to the other that you cannot see. And so you start the journey.”
–Terry Pratchett

Female Agent has always been a valley filled with clouds: I’ve planned out the major plot points in advance, but not the exact paths between them. I always feel like I’m under pressure to produce content so, as soon as I’ve got a half-decent plan, I set off on writing the next episode.


It’s possible to over-plan
I’ve always been wary of over-planning. Some planning is great, and I’d never want to start anything important with no plan – but, in my experience, over-planning wastes time and stifles creativity. I think it can encourage project paralysis, and even cowardice: it’s much easier and more comfortable to be planning (which, by definition, can’t fail) instead of actually delivering work (which can fail and humiliate you).


But it’s also possible to under-plan
That said – I think some of the problems with slow delivery and not-hot-enough episodes can basically be traced to me getting lost in the valley filled with clouds. The problem is that it is filled with fucking clouds and it takes me a while to find the right path.


Current project
I’m currently trying to fix this by planning out all the remaining episodes in medium-level detail. The Mother of All Beat Sheets. I’d always thought this much planning would be a waste of time, but – now I’m doing it – it’s just obviously the right thing to do.

For example, yesterday and today, I was trying to fix an episode in the outline (set in the club) that just felt flat and slow. After some thought and stress, I realised I could hit the same story beat by bringing forward an episode planned for much later (set outside the club).

This fix took one day; it feels like the kind of problem that would have caused weeks of stress and significant rewrites if I’d encountered it on the ground in the valley filled with clouds. So I think that, if I prioritise finishing this process now, it will more than pay for itself in smoother and faster production of episodes in the future.

I can tell it’s intellectually demanding work because I’m frazzled at the end of each day. I’m going to take the evening off and get an early start tomorrow. Have a lovely Sunday evening guys! I’ll report progress next week."


After seven years of working on this game, he's...planning to work on this game.
 

4tune

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He actually quoted Terry Pratchett...a writer who in the period of 7 years would write like 10 or something superb novels...not counting all the other work he did like poems and essays.
He is crushing it, Pratchett even based a book on this guy:
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I can tell it’s intellectually demanding work because I’m frazzled at the end of each day.
Oh lord. Spare me. Who are you trying to convince? Does intellectual frazzlement automatically mean that the 'work' you are doing is necessary and good? He's spinning his wheels and using these 'progress' reports as a way to manipulate his patrons into acceptance of the status quo. In a year's time, when nothing about the pace of development has changed he knows it won't matter because they will have forgotten these promises in favour of whatever new angle he has come up with.
 
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He actually quoted Terry Pratchett...a writer who in the period of 7 years would write like 10 or something superb novels...not counting all the other work he did like poems and essays.
He is crushing it, Pratchett even based a book on this guy:
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He's also quoted Stephen King, who has written a book pretty much every year for almost 50 years now
 
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He actually quoted Terry Pratchett...a writer who in the period of 7 years would write like 10 or something superb novels...not counting all the other work he did like poems and essays.
He is crushing it, Pratchett even based a book on this guy:
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Short novels, mind you. Most average around 80K words. Girl spy is 700K words not to mention the custom, slick twine interface he built which may have taken a year itself to make.
 
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I'm also part of the "take your time club". Since I am 35 years old and I deduced I will be alive until I am 90 years old. I have a game plan for each year I am alive. Basically a Perfect Marriage will be done when I am 45 years old. So I have a game to wank off to for 45. For 50 I think ORS will finally be completed so that's my 50 wank. And then female agent is planned for 65 years old. AWAM is going to be when I am 89 years old.

If he completed the game sooner, I'd lose my game to wank to for when I am those ages.
 

PhoenixAgain

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For some people reading a book (particularly fiction) is fun. An opposite of work. There's no need to rope some shoddy "psychological" theory into it, when at the end of the day it boils down to nothing but individual preferences and what a person actually finds enjoyable.

The alternative and equally "psychological" take would be that having to click through 10 one-sentence screens instead of having it on single screen you can either read, skim or skip with a single click... is fucking annoying and not "fun".

(but all the extra clicking certainly helps to make the content feel longer, so that's valuable if you take months to produce one scene, i guess)
Even for people who like reading books, they'd be less inclined to read a massive block of text than to read smaller sized chunks. It's why paragraphs are a thing. They're the middle ground between one sentence and one essay. Individual preference in a population is a trend and is something important to target. Fewer people find massive blocks of text fun than do, so if you want greater appeal, it needs to be cut.
 

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Really enjoyed this game, I'd say it's one of my favorites now. Which does make the content wait really suck but ah well, guess I'll revisit in a year.

Can I ask though, what's the older version of the game like? Till where does the content in the old version go.
IIRC, the version with the lifepath ends on arrival at Bangkok airport (may be earlier than that, it certainly doesn't go any further).
 

Vibesy

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There are two older versions floating around. One ends in Bahrain, after lifepath/mission training, but never makes it to Bangkok. The other ends after the first year of University.

In a few years, there will probably be a third unfinished version when Crush abandons his latest attempt at lifepath reshuffling.

Edit: Now I think one version ended in Dubai rather than Bahrain. In any case, was definitely not KL in that version.
 
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