HTML Abandoned Female Agent [v1.20.1p] [Crushstation]

[MrAnarchy]

2 reasons.
1) the main issue that’s ruining this scene for me is her outburst at Ninn. It’s the act of a doe eyed college girl and not a secret agent who we know can think quick on her feet and has her eyes opened to what this mission is. Instead she damn near blows the entire operation right there and behaves like a naive, imbecile which we KNOW she isnt.

2) because even with the choices added, the entire scene STILL doesn’t belong at this point in the story.Too much and FAR more EXTREME stuff has already happened for her to suddenly get cold feet and have a meltdown in the bathroom. All of her worries in her head in this scene are of stuff that has ALREADY happened and she has already compartmentalized and gotten over. Why is she acting like this is all a shock and surprise to her. She already knows she’s being filmed having sex, she’s already given blowjobs to complete strangers, she’s already been fucked against her will. All of this has already occurred and we’ve already done the whole mentally prepare herself song and dance.

At best, this chapter is redundant, at worse its story derailing.

 

[XJ347]

Well I guess I'm at the point to agree to disagree.

Lets see if the next update in 4 months is short and problematic too lol.

 

[okokok]

the next update in 4 months

4 months huh

 

[Blockout]

If the dev wanted realism he would probably send Kate just as a field agent/overseer who navigates the whole operation and controls recruited bargirls who snitch for money. Then *insert story twist* happens and Kate have to step in or abort mission. This claim is a bit stronger than current one, anyway.

If we get another rewrite it's your fault.

I don't think people want to ignore the trauma. They just balk at things proceeding seemingly out of order, with the trauma explosion over a blowjob when the heroine was already made to fully fuck multiple people (and one of them repeatedly) with little to no apparent reaction from her other than "man it was kinda hot".

Exactly.
She fucked some random dude in a Hotel in the UAE or wherever that was and Connor basically fucks her whenever he's there.
And then the big boss in the Hotel.

Did I miss someone?

Once upon a time we had an actual playable origin story.
The beauty of it was that you could form the character that you wanted to play.
More naive MC has a problem with all of it while the nympho MC doesn't.
That was fun. Anyone remember that.
Oh god best not to remember it, actual interactive sex scenes.

I seriously hope that we at least get the option to screw the Hotel guest, even if it's drunkenly.


If Crush really goes for the naive good girl stuff, which is insane after Connor has dumped so much cum into her pussy, then the bar interactions will get even more tame won't they?
The interactions at the bar were far more intense in the beginning than they are now.
There's barely any groping WHICH IS THE FUCKING POINT OF IT ALL.

It's about corruption and if you so choose letting go of it all.

Ugh.

You get all of these male NPC tourists getting thrown in who are there to fuck.
At which point will it be the MCs turn?
2030?
Before or after Bangkok drowns because of climate change?

 

[MrAnarchy]

^^^Thank you!!!!

I mean seriously, where the fuck does she go at this point.
She can’t go back to being fucked by Connor on camera every night like before, not if she’s vomiting over a blow job.
She can’t go back to being at the bar and letting men grope her nude tits for extra tips, not if she doesn’t want to feel like a whore.
She can’t do any of the drugs or wild nights out with her fellow girls, not if she wants to feel like she’s in control.
This update literally KILLED any forward momentum for any path that wasn’t “prude and naive waifu girl in a mean corrupt world”.
If you played the Femme Fatale path, dead.
The Crusader path, dead.
The Soldier/Following orders path, dead.

 

[ffive]

Did I miss someone?

Can also suck off a drug dealer as a thank you for delivering coke at 3 in the morning, and fuck a frat boy after the party the coke was bought for.

In the new version of the meltdown scene MC now actually has option to question it herself, why is she freaking out so hard when she already did all those other guys. It's rather blatant lampshading, but it can probably help, at least some of the players.

 

[MrAnarchy]

Honestly that just makes the inconsistency stand out even more.

 

[ffive]

Honestly that just makes the inconsistency stand out even more.

Well, that's what lampshading is -- it's intentionally made to stand out, so then the MC can explain to herself (and confirm for the player) that she's just being irrational about it, and how it isn't a big deal at all and she should just get over it.

 

[Blockout]

I mean seriously her first test in the establishment was to get fucked raw by Connor including getting a creampie.
Perhaps Crush forgot that?
Or how Connor used to repeat it after her shifts I think two times?

I know Crush won't like the description but that was rape.
Especially the first one.

And now she's getting into psychologic problems after a BJ?
Were we supposed to see some trauma building up?
Sure as hell didn't seem that way during the Hotel date with whatever his name was or during the party with the girls.

Also why isn't the new girl getting "broken in" by Connor?
Perhaps save the moral problems for after the MC witnessed that?
That would actually be a good plot device where the MC can decide to save her or to save the mission (throwing the new girl to the wolves, using her for the mission) or something in between.

Nah a BJ it is.

 

[ibizadalton]

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[ZebCaff]

Honestly that just makes the inconsistency stand out even more.

Yes. She's done all the things she's done, and she's known how Bonaht gets paid from day one, and that it would be her turn eventually. Making her have a serious wobble before moving her on to bargirl work makes good dramatic sense, but this comes out of nowhere, and destroys all she's been.
It needs:
i) a trigger event, so that we see her having serious doubts about her ability to complete the mission for some time before this shift, and
ii) options for a less combative refusal to Miss Nin, and a begrudged agreement without serious argument.

 

[berny]

I just played the recent update. (the one available here, not whatever "improved" version he released on patreon).
And imo, ISOLATED, it was maybe the best update for a very long time. It was actually a pretty promising start to make the MC deal with prostituting herself. If this would have been the third update or something I would be the first to support this financially.

However, and this is a very, very, very big however, we're 5 years past "promising". In reality, this update again shows that there is no actual plan for the game. As others have said, the update makes absolutely no sense at this time, not to mention the complete linearity which is kind of a running gag by now. It was only a matter of time before it blew up in his face though. The game keeps pretending that you can somehow roleplay the MC and her motivations, but surprise, surprise, it's all fake. But that's the story of this game, isn't it? Real writing talent (at least for a porn game) wasted on a clueless developer (or scammer?, no idea, the result is the same anyway).

 

[Ulyx]

I mean seriously her first test in the establishment was to get fucked raw by Connor including getting a creampie.
Perhaps Crush forgot that?
Or how Connor used to repeat it after her shifts I think two times?

I know Crush won't like the description but that was rape.
Especially the first one.

And now she's getting into psychologic problems after a BJ?
Were we supposed to see some trauma building up?
Sure as hell didn't seem that way during the Hotel date with whatever his name was or during the party with the girls.

Also why isn't the new girl getting "broken in" by Connor?
Perhaps save the moral problems for after the MC witnessed that?
That would actually be a good plot device where the MC can decide to save her or to save the mission (throwing the new girl to the wolves, using her for the mission) or something in between.

Nah a BJ it is.

First Connor fuck is 100% rape. The trauma scene would fit perfectly there. But no, she had an orgasm being raped. As a matter of fact, she has been having orgasms the whole time, with everyone! Truly makes zero sense.

 

[Awooga11]

I can't play the game, because the avatar is bugged and I cant select any options behind it

 

[XJ347]

First Connor fuck is 100% rape. The trauma scene would fit perfectly there. But no, she had an orgasm being raped. As a matter of fact, she has been having orgasms the whole time, with everyone! Truly makes zero sense.

100% super agree.

I think it's more powerful when it present as rape. If you go into it not expecting sex then it shouldn't be a pleasant experience. Then you have a scene about suppressing the memory or the starting for accepting it. Next time you fuck Connor... you CHOOSE to fuck him and can start enjoying it. You have the power this way and justify it to yourself. Each time it gets easier...

Enjoying being raped shows a lack of understanding how sex works, even for a masochist. Which is why it's not presented that way but it TOTALLY is. Logical dissonance.

Though I know some will hate it since they seem to want Kate already to be a whore and be cool with whoring from the get go, though it's clear that Kate isn't supposed to be a whore at first.

 

[Geffe]

This is a porn game, and with the exception of sadists, most people aren't going to be interested in reading about the agent having lame, painful or miserable sex that leaves her traumatized.

Although I do think he has a weird thing for having the sex scenes be extremely brief, like the agent orgasms in under two minutes and the whole sex scene is explicitly stated to be done in under five, usually comprising one position, two tops. Conner and co need to work on their stamina a bit.

 

[XJ347]

Well I can't speak for you. A good story is what I am here for, that has sex in it.

But personally I hate Mary Sue characters. People aren't perfect, and showing people grow makes a better story. Would a story be as good if Kate was a glorified porn star, and opens up doing gang bangs? That's the equivalent of a Mary Sue in this story. She can do everything from the start and can bang 12 dudes, over and over and over... Other than the fact that it would make no sense, it would also get boring fast. The audience needs more and more spice to keep interest in the story, obviously spice in this context is sex.

I'm just saying you can have ONE sex scene be intentionally unpleasant which is the floor to build off of. Then you add more and more enjoyable sex scenes after and gets more erotic as Kate accepts sex in a new way. Then you can see how throughout the story how Kate has changed. The problem is that this scene isn't the first scene, it's the 4th in the bar... It makes much less sense as the 4th scene, but this scene REALLY needs to take place to create a sense of realism for a story.

In the end, the freakout scene is needed but in the wrong place. Sadly, Kate makes no sense. We are all unhappy, and that will never change.

 

[MrAnarchy]

Well I can't speak for you. A good story is what I am here for, that has sex in it.

But personally I hate Mary Sue characters. People aren't perfect, and showing people grow makes a better story. Would a story be as good if Kate was a glorified porn star, and opens up doing gang bangs? That's the equivalent of a Mary Sue in this story. She can do everything from the start and can bang 12 dudes, over and over and over... Other than the fact that it would make no sense, it would also get boring fast. The audience needs more and more spice to keep interest in the story, obviously spice in this context is sex.

I'm just saying you can have ONE sex scene be intentionally unpleasant which is the floor to build off of. Then you add more and more enjoyable sex scenes after and gets more erotic as Kate accepts sex in a new way. Then you can see how throughout the story how Kate has changed. The problem is that this scene isn't the first scene, it's the 4th in the bar... It makes much less sense as the 4th scene, but this scene REALLY needs to take place to create a sense of realism for a story.

In the end, the freakout scene is needed but in the wrong place. Sadly, Kate makes no sense. We are all unhappy, and that will never change.

This constant strawmanning of anybody who didn’t like this chapter as someone who just wants to see mindless sex scenes is really starting to get old.

I wish people would understand that when we say we don’t like this scene and that we have a problem with it, it’s not because the sex scene was unpleasant or that we think Kate should be some pornstar level sex goddess. It’s because the scene, with how it was written and where it’s been placed, doesn’t make any sense in the part of the story and the section of character development we are at.

I have no problem with unpleasant sex scenes, hell I expect there to be many more as the story continues. But the way her character behaved in this chapter was not consistent with the development we’ve already been through. Nor was the actual sex act any different than she’s already done.
I’m not wanting her to be a Mary Sue who can do everything without batting an eye. I’m all for showing her mental anguish over what she’s going to have to do and the emotional toll it’s going to have to take.

But the problem, is we’ve already covered this part of the development. After her colleagues saw the footage of her getting fucked by Connor. What this chapter has done is essentially undo all the character development from that point and has basically set us back to square one.

 

[Mercedes]

Personally, after "character creation" I don't think it makes any difference which Kate you embody.
In the real storylines there are no differentiations, except maybe a small subordinate clause. For example, at dinner with Krieg, whether one was sporty or preferred to read detective novels. The chosen breast size still gets the most attention here.
Otherwise, the Kinks only have a justification in their dreams so far, when Kate masturbates and imagines a scene.

Also, the two BJ scenes don't really make sense.
In one scene, she gives a blowjob voluntarily, without witnesses, so she could get out of the situation at any time and possibly willingly tells about it at the end. In the other scene, she already behaves like a professional, only to briefly have a crisis in front of the mirror - and that's it. The show must go on. A handful of water in the face, a minty lozenge swallowed briefly, and the scene is forgotten. I still have six hours of titty grabbing ahead of me. Uhh and I'm already wet in the crotch again.

The game has simply become too linear. Basically, it's only about giving the answer that gives the most plus points in the relationship values. Apparently, there are no other values anymore. Even the initial rivalry between Amanda and Ping (?) doesn't play a role in the later course, since you don't have to choose between the two anymore, but instead can increase the affection values for both of them individually.

There is simply a lack of continuity in the storylines. But this is something that was mentioned years ago but never improved. Everything here is somehow treated as a single scene that neither builds on past decisions, nor that it generates great consequences for future events.

That the life path has been dropped is a pity, but somehow understandable, considering the actual starting point of the story, where Kate is supposed to be quite unspoiled when she starts working in Bangkok. In the life path, however, it was possible to have Kate sleep with 80 people while she was still in college. So it doesn't fit. Even the minimum was around 15 sex partners. Basically, however, it would have been enough to massively minimize this number of possible encounters, so that at the end there is a self-created, but sexually not so experienced Kate.

But what helps in the current build to give Kate more personality again?
In my eyes, first and foremost, more references to the player-created Kate. More asides and comments on her appearance. More comments on her chosen outfit. For example, if she wears the leopard set, it might seem sluttier than just one in innocent white. Or just panties that cover half her ass than just a strip of fabric between her ass cheeks.

Oh yes, and clothes. Hach that was once a big topic. How many pictures of clothing suggestions there were. And what did they turn out to be? Once again only prescribed clothes, which actually don't fit the created character at all.
I understand that you can not draw here again for each Figurentpy and then the different chest sizes individual clothing. I think the old clothing folder had well over 28,000 combinations back then, because in the end each piece of clothing had to be drawn on average 10x. But if you chose Exhibitionist, for example, then the skirt you chose should already be 5cm shorter, and the blouse a little lower cut.

Perhaps the easiest thing for Crush to do would be to leave the character creation completely aside and implement a fixed character. That would keep fan expectations to a minimum and allow for a more linear game. But honestly, is that what we as fans want? Then we might as well move on to the next Tomb Raider game.

 

[XJ347]

This constant strawmanning of anybody who didn’t like this chapter as someone who just wants to see mindless sex scenes is really starting to get old.

100% wasn't talking about you. I agree with the vast majority of your post above. Note, I don't like this chapter because it's to little to late. What is written is inconstant, and that inconstancy is one big reason we are all bickering. This internal dialogue should have been MUCH sooner and doesn't work well this late in the game. This update is better than before but it still is not good.

I still see a little positive from it though. Kate internally acknowledges that she will prostitute for the job. That's a first in the game since the reboot. There shouldn't be much more internal resistance like this in future chapters anymore.

I might get a little defensive since most people post so much negativity on this thread that it makes me feel like nothing can please them and I can get dismissive. Which isn't fair and I shouldn't do that. I'll stop posting for now and wait for next patch, which is what 4 months away LOL for a single sex scene... /sigh

Crush's major problem is the speed of updates. If they came out faster people might be more forgiving.

I was talking about...

This is a porn game, and with the exception of sadists, most people aren't going to interested in reading about the agent having lame, painful or miserable sex that leaves her traumatized.