VN Ren'Py Completed Fetish Locator [Week 3 v3.6.9] [ViNovella]

[Cartageno]

I'm sorry... Normally I'm err on the side of caution, but this is just a BS excuse.

When it comes to under 18/loli/pedo content, I can 100% see the point. There is not a way the optics on that looks good and a good chance that it (digital character stories containing it) might be illegal somewhere in the world.
Incest is stretching it, but sure... its kind of a strange fetish (That's mainstream on F95 LMAO)

Blackmail and Coercing... erm that is normal run of the mill story telling tools. Countless mainstream movies have that tool in their toolkit. Trying to spin this is running foul of the law is just laughable. There is nothing closely illegal in a story containing blackmail or coercion in any country or state around the world.

Your assertion that incest porn is illegal... I have never heard of such a thing. Please specify some details on this. Happy to be corrected.

In terms of rape porn... The only reason I could possible see that being illegal is maybe a fear that the actress was "forced" into the "role" in movie shoots happening in unknown locations with unknown actresses. Not really a problem for digital characters.
I'm still doubtful that it's actually illegal in any substantial jurisdiction (Especially the US with Freedom of speech). A number of mainstream movies contains brutal and explicit rape scenes.

Happy to be corrected, if you can point me to info where rape porn is illegal.
Minors is a whole different kettle of fish. 100% can see why Patreon bans it.

Incest and Rape I believe has nothing to do with legal issue and is purely an optics issue.

Sorry, not picking a fight here. I 100% agree with your conclusions. There was is snitch or the game was a victim of it's own success. I just think that the reason has got nothing to do with law and everything to do with optics.

From my point of view, I can kind of see the incest POV (Don't agree, but I can see it), but this one is just stupid and hypocritical. It's a mainstream tool used in countless stories and movies.

TLDR; Nothing to do with legality and everything to do with censorship.

I am sorry, but you are wrong about your assumptions. Rape and incest are common story elements, but they should not be glorified in my country (Germany), so they shall not be enjoyed as such by the viewer. Rape porn is handled in the German criminal code article 184a and will get you up to three years in prison (and yes, if you look it up, that is the same article as for bestiality). Incest in porn isn't forbidden here (and in real life only between a man and a woman) but some legislations seem to even have problems with step-incest according to some disclaimers I saw on porn I watched. There is a reason you don't find them on mainstream porn sites in the western world and if you look for rape porn will mostly find Russian sites. However, unlike underage porn, it is forbidden to create, trade, or show them, but not illegal to watch them (which watching child pornography is).

And blackmailed sex is rape, that is pretty universal. German criminal code asks about whether the other side wants the sex (I am shortening here), not about how you force the sex to happen against their will. There might be a slightly lesser problem because excessive violence can be a problem in its own right - no matter whether rape or not - but there is a problem.

As in the US however it is perfectly fine to depict a nuke bombing Tokyo, killing tens of millions, but this discrepancy is a completely different matter. Well, outside of Japan, for historical reasons Japan handles this very differently.

But yeah, stuff like that differs a lot between countries, and as a company which is situated in the US and only has to adhere to US laws, Patreon certainly looks at what other major countries do lest they lose a good share of their turnover for some small niche project.

 

[gregers]

I'm sorry... Normally I'm err on the side of caution, but this is just a BS excuse.

No offense taken. As Cartageno points out above, legislation in these areas varies massively between jurisdictions (even just among states in the US).

Patreon is dependant on PayPal and Mastercard to process its payments, and Mastercard wants to continue to work everywhere from China to the UAE to Belarus to Connecticut. The payment companies enforce a high bar for acceptable content for fear of getting dinged for financing illegalities, and Patreon falls in line.

If you want to argue that Patreon also does content moderation out of concerns for the public perception of the platform, then sure, probably. But it's not just arbitrary censorship.

 

[Thedude715]

Blackmailing or coercing people into sexual acts can be seen as a form of rape, and rape porn is illegal in many jurisdictions, just like incest porn. Patreon can't be seen to support illegal projects or they'll have trouble with the payment processors (PayPal, Mastercard, etc.), who want to be able to work internationally without running afoul of local legislation.

We don't know why Patreon cracked down on the game just now. It's entirely possible someone tipped off their moderation team, but the game may also just be a victim of its own success: The more successful and high profile a project becomes, the more scrutiny it risks from the mods.

This is what patches are for.

Laws and rules are wierd on what you are allowed to make stories on and not huh, graphical violence/torture et cetera and murder cool cool whatever but incest dont you fucking dare.

Anyway thanks for clarifying mostly I am just triggerd about what happend to the game as this killed my interest in it untill a patch get sorted.

 

[Badboll]

I guess you didn't see the NTR-embossed cock cage hanging above the mantelpiece? Or would hanging under be more accurate?

You missed the point. 0-100 at once is the issue people had with it.

 

[shatkish28]

So i get to the disclaimer about transfering characters and visiting their discord and then it just crashes without a log or anything. On the Mac version if that helps.

 

[Trasher2018]

wtf? I can only load a save from June 6 and then it ends. (after the chair spinning with Amber-Rose)

Edit: Ok - I guess the last version I played was the 2.4.6 normal then.

I dont get that Extended stuff tbh.

What is the difference? Why is that version so outdated?

 

[Bob69]

I dont get that Extended stuff tbh.

What is the difference? Why is that version so outdated?

Read this post and my post 3 below it.

 

[Trasher2018]

2.4.6 is further in the story, it's the "normal" version.
2.2.24 is the extended version it is not as far, but has extra scenes, music, sounds, a gallery etc.
They did it that way every week.

OK - thanks for the info.

Wasted effort in my book (I mute the game, because I hate the "sim-like" voices and I dont care for the music in games most of the time). I play these games for the stories and the lewd stuff. I dont care about galleries.

So I guess I have to wait for the next "real" update.

In a system like patreon I can understand why they do that for higher tiers - but imho it would be better to finish the story and maybe release an extended version after they have finished a whole week.

 

[godofdeath90]

wish it had female or futa pro be hot as hell

 

[Alfius]

I am sorry, but you are wrong about your assumptions. Rape and incest are common story elements, but they should not be glorified in my country (Germany), so they shall not be enjoyed as such by the viewer. Rape porn is handled in the German criminal code article 184a and will get you up to three years in prison (and yes, if you look it up, that is the same article as for bestiality). Incest in porn isn't forbidden here (and in real life only between a man and a woman) but some legislations seem to even have problems with step-incest according to some disclaimers I saw on porn I watched. There is a reason you don't find them on mainstream porn sites in the western world and if you look for rape porn will mostly find Russian sites. However, unlike underage porn, it is forbidden to create, trade, or show them, but not illegal to watch them (which watching child pornography is).

And blackmailed sex is rape, that is pretty universal. German criminal code asks about whether the other side wants the sex (I am shortening here), not about how you force the sex to happen against their will. There might be a slightly lesser problem because excessive violence can be a problem in its own right - no matter whether rape or not - but there is a problem.

As in the US however it is perfectly fine to depict a nuke bombing Tokyo, killing tens of millions, but this discrepancy is a completely different matter. Well, outside of Japan, for historical reasons Japan handles this very differently.

But yeah, stuff like that differs a lot between countries, and as a company which is situated in the US and only has to adhere to US laws, Patreon certainly looks at what other major countries do lest they lose a good share of their turnover for some small niche project.

I think you did not read carefully.
I said:

Your assertion that incest PORN is illegal... I have never heard of such a thing. Please specify some details on this. Happy to be corrected.

In terms of rape: I was referring to rape porn (As in fictional rape in a Porn video). I'm NOT referring to real rape or blackmail to sex that is indeed illegal.

In terms of rape PORN... The only reason I could possible see that being illegal is maybe a fear that the actress was "forced" into the "role" in movie shoots happening in unknown locations with unknown actresses. Not really a problem for digital characters.
I'm still doubtful that it's actually illegal in any substantial jurisdiction (Especially the US with Freedom of speech). A number of mainstream movies contains brutal and explicit rape scenes.

You basically agreed here:

Incest in porn isn't forbidden here (and in real life only between a man and a woman) but some legislations seem to even have problems with step-incest according to some disclaimers I saw on porn I watched.

OK, just to clarify: When I say "Incest porn" I mean:
A man and a woman pretending to be brother and sister(dad/daughter,mother/son) having sex in a porn video. NOT real siblings having sex.

Just as when I say "Rape porn", I mean Two consenting adults where on pretend to rape the other in a porn video. Not a real rape captured on video.


So maybe that's where the confusion is coming in. I'm pretty sure that my definition of Incest Porn, Rape Porn is not illegal anywhere. Hence a game reflecting Incest or Porn probably won't be illegal anywhere either.

 

[TheDukeofWeapons]

The Duke will explain. Major corporations are not going to lose money in the big picture. Example. If a company can make 100 dollars as opposed to 10 by not allowing someone to do something that's truly more of a GRAY area as opposed to illegal...They are going to save their own butts. HOWEVER, there is Hypocrisy in this. In the original Stephen King Novel IT....There are FAR MORE QUESTIONABLE THINGS! HOWEVER, this did not get the book blacklisted all its life. Simply because back then there was no outcry. In our world today there is outcry which is why corporations favor money...They do not CARE about the victims they care about how much money they can lose and how they can be audited. BUT before these companies normally go hunting for stuff like this...someone does indeed have to SNITCH

 

[Cartageno]

OK, just to clarify: When I say "Incest porn" I mean:
A man and a woman pretending to be brother and sister(dad/daughter,mother/son) having sex in a porn video. NOT real siblings having sex.

Just as when I say "Rape porn", I mean Two consenting adults where on pretend to rape the other in a porn video. Not a real rape captured on video.

That we're talking about actors pretending is understood, otherwise the question of rape/incest porn would already include the actual criminal acts of rape/incest themselves.

But as I have shown above by citing the German criminal code, rape porn (i. e. actors acting out a fictional rape scene with hardcore pornographic elements) is illegal in Germany, and I am sure other places, too, and while I cannot cite a specific law from any country, I am pretty sure that incest porn is illegal somewhere, too. As I said, if you watch videos you will sometimes get disclaimers with a content warning and that you shouldn't if it is illegal in your jurisdiction. The reason for that is that you don't want to make people act out what they saw on TV, which is a thing that unfortunately happens.

That rape does happen in mainstream non-porn (but often nudity including) movies - like the critically acclaimed "The Accused" starring Jodie Foster - is true, however (a) it is not porn which makes legislation differ, and (b) they are usually not depicted to make people wank their dick, which also is a different story for many aspects.

Legislation in general can already be very different, with a sneered upon topic as porn it easily becomes more convoluted, then you have regions where you have very orthodox religious views (I am not sure but I think it was Lithuania, where clergy in porn is a problem - not outright forbidden but some stuff has to be made sure), and you have laws which seem completely off when you're from some other place, like Japan, with tentacles, loli and rape being a-ok, even in that combination, but please pixellate the genitalia. Or like the US, which has probably the most encompassing "free speech" laws for this kind of movies yet suddenly gets female nipple panic in places.

This might not be consistent, and what of that makes sense can be argued (i. e. many legislations, including Germany, also see drawings of children as child pornography) but the fact is that your assumption is wrong, these kinds of porn are illegal in major jurisdictions. Since you seem to be from the US: in the struggle between active freedoms (i. e. you can do what you want) and passive freedoms (i. e. you have the right to be left alone by others), the US is probably the country leaning most towards the active ones, whereas (almost?) every other country will curtail your active freedoms more to protect other people from you. Of course this is strongly oversimplified.

But TL;DR - this has a lot to do with legislation in many places.

 

[Alfius]

That we're talking about actors pretending is understood, otherwise the question of rape/incest porn would already include the actual criminal acts of rape/incest themselves.

But as I have shown above by citing the German criminal code, rape porn (i. e. actors acting out a fictional rape scene with hardcore pornographic elements) is illegal in Germany, and I am sure other places, too, and while I cannot cite a specific law from any country, I am pretty sure that incest porn is illegal somewhere, too. As I said, if you watch videos you will sometimes get disclaimers with a content warning and that you shouldn't if it is illegal in your jurisdiction. The reason for that is that you don't want to make people act out what they saw on TV, which is a thing that unfortunately happens.

That rape does happen in mainstream non-porn (but often nudity including) movies - like the critically acclaimed "The Accused" starring Jodie Foster - is true, however (a) it is not porn which makes legislation differ, and (b) they are usually not depicted to make people wank their dick, which also is a different story for many aspects.

Legislation in general can already be very different, with a sneered upon topic as porn it easily becomes more convoluted, then you have regions where you have very orthodox religious views (I am not sure but I think it was Lithuania, where clergy in porn is a problem - not outright forbidden but some stuff has to be made sure), and you have laws which seem completely off when you're from some other place, like Japan, with tentacles, loli and rape being a-ok, even in that combination, but please pixellate the genitalia. Or like the US, which has probably the most encompassing "free speech" laws for this kind of movies yet suddenly gets female nipple panic in places.

This might not be consistent, and what of that makes sense can be argued (i. e. many legislations, including Germany, also see drawings of children as child pornography) but the fact is that your assumption is wrong, these kinds of porn are illegal in major jurisdictions. Since you seem to be from the US: in the struggle between active freedoms (i. e. you can do what you want) and passive freedoms (i. e. you have the right to be left alone by others), the US is probably the country leaning most towards the active ones, whereas (almost?) every other country will curtail your active freedoms more to protect other people from you. Of course this is strongly oversimplified.

But TL;DR - this has a lot to do with legislation in many places.

In that case, I stand corrected.

Rape with Nudity is fairly common. Arguably the sex scene in Basic instinct with the psychiatrist can be considered rape.

If it's illegal in some countries, then I guess I'm in the wrong here. Carry on please.

 

[chaf]

Unfortunatelly the saves do not work anymore. This seams at least in my case.

this is an old save that is working.
after this scene the new update ends so all saves after this scene does not work any more
View attachment 3-3-LT1.save

 

[Cartageno]

In that case, I stand corrected.

Hey, this is the internet, you can't do that. Can't you at least throw some insults around?

 

[jblack19]

Can someone make a pov mod for this game? Please

 

[ZHDarkstar]

Patreon is dependant on PayPal and Mastercard to process its payments, and Mastercard wants to continue to work everywhere from China to the UAE to Belarus to Connecticut.

Fucking Connecticut...

Here's the updated that undoes recently added censorship, should be compatible with all weeks. Needs to be placed into 'game' folder.

Thanks. I made a version of the patch that only undoes the story rewrite censorship for those who enjoy the game without the taboo patch.

 

[skiptski]

i have been playing for like 1 hour didn't get any single female domination scene , all choises i need to make are to dominate the girls here . i don't why i'm wearing a chasity cage if i'm just going to act like a normal man , any suggestion ?!

 

[Cartageno]

i have been playing for like 1 hour didn't get any single female domination scene , all choises i need to make are to dominate the girls here . i don't why i'm wearing a chasity cage if i'm just going to act like a normal man , any suggestion ?!

It seems like you are playing only week 3, which - IIRC - doesn't have any femdom yet. There is not a lot but you need to play weeks 1 and 2 for that.

 

[Olsens.M]

That we're talking about actors pretending is understood, otherwise the question of rape/incest porn would already include the actual criminal acts of rape/incest themselves.

But as I have shown above by citing the German criminal code, rape porn (i. e. actors acting out a fictional rape scene with hardcore pornographic elements) is illegal in Germany, and I am sure other places, too, and while I cannot cite a specific law from any country, I am pretty sure that incest porn is illegal somewhere, too. As I said, if you watch videos you will sometimes get disclaimers with a content warning and that you shouldn't if it is illegal in your jurisdiction. The reason for that is that you don't want to make people act out what they saw on TV, which is a thing that unfortunately happens.

That rape does happen in mainstream non-porn (but often nudity including) movies - like the critically acclaimed "The Accused" starring Jodie Foster - is true, however (a) it is not porn which makes legislation differ, and (b) they are usually not depicted to make people wank their dick, which also is a different story for many aspects.

Legislation in general can already be very different, with a sneered upon topic as porn it easily becomes more convoluted, then you have regions where you have very orthodox religious views (I am not sure but I think it was Lithuania, where clergy in porn is a problem - not outright forbidden but some stuff has to be made sure), and you have laws which seem completely off when you're from some other place, like Japan, with tentacles, loli and rape being a-ok, even in that combination, but please pixellate the genitalia. Or like the US, which has probably the most encompassing "free speech" laws for this kind of movies yet suddenly gets female nipple panic in places.

This might not be consistent, and what of that makes sense can be argued (i. e. many legislations, including Germany, also see drawings of children as child pornography) but the fact is that your assumption is wrong, these kinds of porn are illegal in major jurisdictions. Since you seem to be from the US: in the struggle between active freedoms (i. e. you can do what you want) and passive freedoms (i. e. you have the right to be left alone by others), the US is probably the country leaning most towards the active ones, whereas (almost?) every other country will curtail your active freedoms more to protect other people from you. Of course this is strongly oversimplified.

But TL;DR - this has a lot to do with legislation in many places.

This week in my country I saw in the news that a girl 14 years old reported to the police that she was raped by her brother and her dad was sexually assaulting her.

She lives with her mother, but her brother 20yo invited her to spend the weekend on the house he lives in. She said that he forced her into sex during the night. and through messages on whatsapp on her phone she showed to the police her dad asking her for pictures of her with no panties (in the morning after the alleged rape). Asking to send them to him. She says in the messages that she doesn't have such things, he says she is lying and says he is horny and she should to help him out, etc.

They were called at the PD of the city but got released after, said the police for not having enough proof. The girl was taken to do some medical exams and even having all the messages of her dad asking her for sexual content, and he telling the police that he did ask her, he wasn't arrested. (I am still waiting to see more updates in this case)

Seeing that reminded me of people in this forum. You guys think everything is legal and even if they are immoral you guys think it is ok. The problem is. There are a lot of underage guys/teens in here and seeing the amount of incest/rape content and getting turned on by it, they think they can do it irl.

There will always be a lot of you defending what's wrong. I think it is important for us, even if enjoying most of the kinky stuff, address what isn't right from time to time.

And if a Patreon, someone who is actually paying montly, supporting the game, what is probably what most developers care about, they shouldn't be criticized. The developers made a twist in the story adding stuff that were not planned and that people were not paying for. Patreons were paying for a game with no NTR, NO blackmailing/Rape, why out of sudden the devs will add this into the game as a twist and they should be ok with it?

I also didn't like the way it turned out to be. I thought it was a very poor writing. Even though I never got any NTR from lydia and If I did, I wouldn't care, but I think that people start playing certain games because they read the tags. what is in the game and what is planned to be added. That is how they decide if they wanna play it or support it. Once you just put something different, you are scamming a lot of people. Even if you say, "they DONATE because they want, they are not forced to" people do that based on good faith that the other part will deliver what they promised at the beginning.