zarqupang

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the camps are cool because you stop at a camp and you can have fun with the girls from the bar. hate that the bunny girl is a patron locked i just keep dieing came acrossed a hero asshole who him and his team wiped my group like we were nothing
 
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hermitian

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well... it's a 0.1.1 so i believe its way too early to judge the quality of the game.
But still, it leaves a bad taste in your mouth when you don't see half of the things mentioned in the dev notes actually implemented ingame
 
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Zellgoddess

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There is no shortage of ideas. You may get developers that abandon their games, that's just the nature of the craft. But people aren't going to stop making games, or even genres of games, because they aren't being fed a constant flux of them. We should reward quality with attention, not how fast you can create a game. AI to iterate is reasonable to me, but not as a final product. Critical assessment of tools and output is okay.
did people stop making VHS. never say never bro. its only good till the next best thing comes along. Yea it could mean AI art eventually just completely taking over but, that's life n how shit goes. I highly doubt we will see that in our lifetime though so no worries. However less games dose mean less games, its logic people follow the money. No one is going to invest in a dead market, and if you think they will. I got some shares in Blockbuster you can buy as well.
 
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EldZ

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Beat this without losing a single character. Decent game, but a complete let down that it's so limited in content. Not worth a download unless more is added to showcase the game. Definitely not worth the purchase, yet. Need to know what else is there before even considering that.
 

DaGecko

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Feb 27, 2019
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Interesting concept... a few issues though:

1) Bugs - But it is in testing, so that is to be expected. Bugs I encountered:
A. If you use your last / only health potion, you can never have another. Doesn't matter if you find or buy them - they do not appear in your bag, so cannot use them (even if the game is tracking them).
B. If you use the brothel upstairs to 'level' your party (or the male MC), it increases their exp and level, but NOT their stats, hp, mana, capablilites. So the 'leveled' person is still effectively whatever (lower) level, but now cannot ever get stronger (or at least not as strong as they should).
C. Even if the listed / displayed 'challenge' of the dungeon section is low, if you level past it, it will get stronger (though rewards stay low) - but it does not reset if the party dies and is now lvl 1 again (which greatly reduces their chances of making it through - if they even can depending on party).
D. Items found / dropped do not always end up in your inventory - you finally GET a nice item, but it disappears before/when you get back to town.

2) Suggestions:
A.
MC is a complete asshole - completely unsympathetic to the point you have to wonder if the head mage that summoned him was correct about just letting him die. He needs to at least be moderately likable. If he is going to have a regular party (instead of slaves/guards), he should also be at least somewhat considerate of them (the sex scenes seem a bit brutal for someone you even think of as a person).
B. There needs to be a way to craft / buy items for mage and healer (weapon, primarily) - especially for the healer since her ability to heal does NOT scale with the enemies' ability to do damage.
C. The whole bit about the Crusader being a 'front line' defender is meaningless, but needs not to be - enemies can freely attack anyone in the party (and frequently will concentrate on the mage after 5th level, then the healer making it challenging to get through a dungeon with them alive). Attacks past a 'defender' type character (the Crusader or a guard) should have one (or more, depending on level) of the following reductions:
i - reduced chance to hit, based on defender(s) level/defense
ii - reduced damage if successful attack, based on defender(s) level/defense
iii - chance to automatically provoke a counterattack by defender(s)
iv - chance for entire attack to be blocked / intercepted, based on defender(s) level/defense
D. Shields should NOT take the place of weapons... that is just indefensibly stupid.
E. Rogue's dodge ability needs adjustment - even with her special ability, she rarely dodges anything, even when she is higher level.
F. Healer's 'cleanse' ability - removing a debuff/dot is too weak for it's cost and taking up an action. She already does the least damage and has weak heals. Suggest either:
i - Cleanse affects entire party and low heal amount for the same cost
ii - Cleanse is made part of her normal heal and replace it with a 'defense/protection' buff
iii - Cleanse is made part of her passive (has a chance to cleanse each character each turn) and replace it with a 'defense/protection' buff
G. Have part of the Healer's passive be a *chance* to stabilize a character that 'dies' so they don't actually die (and lose everything). They still are unable to fight for the rest of the dungeon, but survive.
H. Have some of the characters abilities 'grow' as they level - affect more than single target, gain an additional effect. For example:
i - Crusader's 'mini-heal' at 5th also adds a defense bonus for 1 turn. Crusader's 'stun' attack affects 2 targets starting at 3rd and 3 starting at 5th
ii - Rogue's 'ghost step'/dodge ability gains a damage reduction at 3rd and counterattack at 5th
iii - Mage's 'fire blast' gains a chance to set targets on fire (damage over time) at 3rd which increases at 5th (both chance and duration)
iv - Healer's "heal" gains a 'heal over time' at 3rd (healing again next round for lesser amount) and again at 5th (for 2 extra free reduced heals)
v - Main Character's poison passive should increase in chance at 3rd and damage/potency at 5th - as well as increasing duration. His bleed effect should increase similarly.
I - If using a City Guard, should the guard *survive* they should be assigned a name and the player get the option to get the same guard again next time (effectively allowing them to level)
J - Please place some priority on being able to buy (or at least FIND) rings, belts, boots, etc. (I am assuming these will be the 2 relic slots). Some suggested effects for them (aside from obvious offense/defense/hp/mp bonuses): chance to counterattack a physical attack, chance to counterattack a magical attack, chance to reflect an attack, add <fire / poison / freeze / weakness> effect to regular attacks, regeneration (of hp / mp / both), increase damage/defense vs. opponent type (humans, undead, goblins, animals, etc.)

all that said, I look forward to your next releases!
 

Madlaxy

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Jan 2, 2019
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Found a bug if you start changing armor and close character without closing armor selection, you can't start changing armor again.
 

Magic_Dave

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Aug 27, 2020
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Its fun but losing all your progress while trying to jack it, just isnt good
This game is far more game than porn, which isnt a down side its just not what i prefer.

The original game was beyond punishing in the most frustrating way, this game shouldntopy that aspect.
 
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Veilwolf

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I was hoping for something like a h-based Monsters Den but what we get is Slop RNG based bullshit that favors the enemy Dodge, Dodge and More Dodging No Relic shop stuck with base relic oh and a Level Cap kinda annoying. I get stratagy but RNG is a real SOB.
 

DKOC

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Implying piracy is inherently immoral, and the laws about it are moral. I'd disagree, and that's a discussion for another time.
Edit - didn't realise I was speaking to OP/Dev here. You're here, posting about your game on a pirate forum - I imagine it's something you had to weigh up?

What I mean by legal issues is that there's the potential for legislation to be introduced, limiting the use of AI-generated content in commercial works. And I hope it happens. Morally, in this context, it's the same to me as ripping the images straight from another game, claiming it as your own and profiting from it. What's real comedy gold is the people who type text in a box to generate an image and act like they're some kind of herculean visionary artiste for the 'effort'
If you want to talk about morality, what about Fair Use laws, with videos? Someone can put in a ton of effort into those compilation videos, some youtuber can take that video add a little details to it, and then call it their own, monetize it, and the original creator gets squat.

Why is that an acceptable practice, but using AI generated art, is morally bankrupt?

As to the developer... what program did you use to generate those tentacle pictures? They are topnotch quality and would love to know what you did to get them created.
 

TJ412

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If you want to talk about morality, what about Fair Use laws, with videos? Someone can put in a ton of effort into those compilation videos, some youtuber can take that video add a little details to it, and then call it their own, monetize it, and the original creator gets squat.

Why is that an acceptable practice, but using AI generated art, is morally bankrupt?
In the case of platforms like Youtube, creators at least have some means of procedural and/or legal recourse if their work is outright plagarized. Not so with AI. The majority of models are trained on images scraped from the internet without the permission, consent or knowledge of the original authors. Crediting them is a practical impossibility when each AI image is ultimately an amalgamation of thousands of different pieces of art.

AI image generation is a plagarism machine. It indicates artistic bankruptcy, at least in the visual sense. It cheapens everything that includes it. Again, I'm not opposed to it as a placeholder or for conceptualizing. In our specific context here, I might even let it slide if its use is limited to things like backgrounds, environments and other secondary art, though it still rankles. For characters and H-scenes though? Fuck that.

Draw two stickmen humping and improve from there. Shit, even tracing AI-generated images would produce more appealing results, by orders of magnitude, whilst also being something you could more legitimately claim to be your own. Or, you know, recruit an actual human artist if you can't be one.
 

DKOC

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Except that creators on Youtube don't have legal recourse for outright plagarism, because the plagarism is covered by fair use. I've read the requirements of it for fair use on youtube. All you need to legally do, is take someone else's work, and put your own watermark on their videos, and now its your original work. They can DMCA if there is no watermark or other changes to it, or if the country in question has no fair use laws (ie Japan; hence why they DMCA anything Nintendo related all the time). So its the exact same problem. People steal other peoples work, make it their own, and the original authors get nothing.

" AI image generation is a plagarism machine. It indicates artistic bankruptcy, at least in the visual sense. It cheapens everything that includes it. Again, I'm not opposed to it as a placeholder or for conceptualizing. "

You do realize that all art in the world is a plagarism machine, right? People rarely create an original style or artwork. They take someone elses work, modifies it slightly, but then adds their own style, which is based upon other existing styles. Like the concept of Adaptation in Micro-Evolution, is about copying all the very best parts of the original, while adding to it slightly, to improve its fitness. If you are going to talk about artistic bankruptcy, you need to look at famous artists, and how similar their style is to the original author. People copy what works really good (style, themes, content, genres, etc), and might slightly modify it to make it their own. It is rare for someone to come out with something completely unique in art. And the same can be said of AI generation... it just does what good artists do. Learns from the greats, copies what works well, and tries to create something similar, yet different, from all the inspiration.

And this doesn't just apply to art. Take computer programming. Every game has an Event Handler in it. Almost no game lacks one. So everyone is copying that aspect. Similarly, you want to have the graphics card handle the heavy graphics and physics. Everyone copies that. The foundation of a video game is almost always the same. You copy what works. Then you have the actual game, inspired by something that worked. Maybe a boomer shooter inspired by Quake 1 (ie Dusk). There is so much copying of concepts, visuals, and themes there. What makes it different, is how all those copied elements are assembled together. When a video game comes out, it sometimes pays homage to its inspirations and other times, doesn't mention them at all. Should they be crediting the games that they copied concepts off of, like AI art generation does?

Seems like people are making a mountain out of a mole hill with AI generated art. This practice has gone on for decades to centuries, already with real people, copying other real people's stuff, and not crediting them.

My issue with AI generated art, is that if you are going to use it, you need to do touch-up work. Need to be able to do some tracing, cleaning up images, addressing minor visual problems (ie shadows in odd places), and such forth. Take the original AI generated slop, clean it up, and make it good and fit your game. Like there is examples in this game where touchups are needed... like that one sex scene where the anus is blurred out/missing.

See you just proved my point about artists copying others without crediting them. Who created the original Stick man art? Everyone copies that art style, and then generates something from it without the original creators getting credit.
 
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jkwwolf

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I can see what you are trying to do with a single save slot. The problem with Iron Man is that if the save becomes corrupted you are shit-out-of-luck. I wish you well. I enjoy such games. The inventory system was unresponsive, I went into combat, and then the inventory system bugged out in combat. So...at least I had fun for about an hour.
 
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