Ursus4321

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Someone here said that ntr games also make a lot of money. Sorry but that is not true. It is only necessary to get into a few and see how many patrons they have. Let the dev play the game he wants to do, but please don't try to fool him. And Power Vacum cannot be considered ntr game because it uses it as bad endings only
In the end, reality prevails. 5 patrons
 
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That game started on patreon as nNtr and then changed, I think it's hard to calculate how many are "patreons 100% ntr players" because of that dirty 'strategy'.
Site rules state that tags should be given for current content only. Netorare is Japanese for cuckholding - which is when a man's wife or long-tern sexual partner has sex with someone else. I don't know anyone who thinks they are a cuck because their mom has had sex with their dad or because that girl you hooked up with at that party has banged half your office. What you call dirty strategy seems like simply following site rules. BTW, a moderator posted the game and assigned the tags, not the developer.
 

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Hello everyone, I see that the discussions are going well and as usual there are those for NTR, INCEST and the other against them. But at what point does the developer talk about NTR in the description of his story? he only speaks of incest and only if you wish (go and read the overview).
He put it at the beginning of the game, right after you choose a name.
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definition:
NTR (netorare): Category of visual novel in which the heroine turns away voluntarily or against her will from the protagonist, which tends to revolt the reader.
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If we are talking about games for adults, it is indeed netorare .... a term that comes from Japan and has no translation in English or French! ... To put it simply, it's a mix between "being cuckolded /To do cuckolded" and swinging.
Do you think the MC seeing past video of his daughter having sex with her boyfriend as either NTR or cuckholding?

BTW, if you google translate netorare from Japanese to English, it comes back cuckholding.
And because of Google, I now know the term cuckholding comes from the cuckoo bird, known for leaving it's egg in other bird's nests. :) So literally, it meant finding out someone else knocked up your wife or concubine.
 
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Do you think the MC seeing past video of his daughter having sex with her boyfriend as either NTR or cuckholding?

BTW, if you google translate netorare from Japanese to English, it comes back cuckholding.
And because of Google, I now know the term cuckholding comes from the cuckoo bird, known for leaving it's egg in other bird's nests. :) So literally, it meant finding out someone else knocked up your wife or concubine.
Dude, next time just play the damn game before you post 20 comments in the thread or at least check the image files. She has "adult" scenes with multiple other dudes who are definitely not her boyfriend, it's not just the video and all the "off switch" does is skipping the part with the priest right after the intro and then you just don't see what happens when she's not with the MC. She's still going to the same place she goes if you leave it on, you just don't see what she's doing there. There's not an alternative path. Honestly, if you like "preaching" so much, just create a thread dedicated to that, but for the love of God stay on-topic! This thread is about the game, not about what you think happens based on a comment you read about a previous release!
 

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All this pointless "NTR" talk can be avoided by a patch which removes the naming option for the "male protagonist". The male protagonist has no real function in this game and is a leftover of the pre-remastered version.

95% of the time the player takes the role of the female protagonist in a similar way as in Project Myriam and other female protagonist games (Lily of the Valley, Jessica O'Neil's Hard News, Anna - Exciting Affection, etc.).

What dev calls NTR in his game has nothing to do with the NTR tag here on F95. The tag is wrongly applied and people go nuts about it. If you don't like "slut-simulation" games then you shouldn't play this game. It's not a harem game and people should get over it.
 

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All this pointless "NTR" talk can be avoided by a patch which removes the naming option for the "male protagonist". The male protagonist has no real function in this game and is a leftover of the pre-remastered version.

95% of the time the player takes the role of the female protagonist in a similar way as in Project Myriam and other female protagonist games (Lily of the Valley, Jessica O'Neil's Hard News, Anna - Exciting Affection, etc.).

What dev calls NTR in his game has nothing to do with the NTR tag here on F95. The tag is wrongly applied and people go nuts about it. If you don't like "slut-simulation" games then you shouldn't play this game. It's not a harem game and people should get over it.
The problem here is not that people wanted this to be a harem, but the overview being misleading. I don't know if it's a residue from the original version that was never changed, but when you read in it's very first sentence that "The game is a VN that tells the story of a father and daughter re-establishing their relationship", you don't expect it to be what you aptly described as a "slut-simulator".

That's why after my playthrough I wrote here that the dev should just make the game he wants to make and call it what it is, instead of trying to please everyone (which almost never works) by making it's main focus "optional". Because let's be honest here, like you said yourself the main focus of this game (maybe not as much as 95%, but definitely the biggest part of it) is Emma's "adventures" with random stereotypes.
 

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The problem here is not that people wanted this to be a harem, but the overview being misleading. I don't know if it's a residue from the original version that was never changed, but when you read in it's very first sentence that "The game is a VN that tells the story of a father and daughter re-establishing their relationship", you don't expect it to be what you aptly described as a "slut-simulator".
The overview is a leftover of the original version same as the introduction of the dad. Let's be frank: Emma and her father "re-established" their relationship withing five minutes. The whole plot about her father fucking her best friend and then not talking to him for 20 years doesn't work well.
 

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What you call preaching is what I call sticking up for the Dev. BTW, I did play the game and the chain of comments was in response to a negative comment left by someone who doesn't plan on playing the game in the first place. Typical of one group here. :)
So you played the game, and all you saw was the MC watching a video (3 of them actually plus one more of her going down on Paola while she's fingering her, playing back to back) with her and her boyfriend? Which is something you can accidentally see, since they are labelled as just "porn videos" or something like that with no indication they are her sextapes, even with the switch off by the way. You didn't see her making out with and "caressed" by the priest, kissing the random kid (because why the fuck not?), getting fingered by random bus guy, groped by elevator old fart, fingering herself in front of token black guy while he was jerking off, and 3 different paths where she ends up either making out with or playing with hereself in front of random dudes and then giving them her wet panties as a souvenir?
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I call it preaching, you call it friendly conversation. Hell, we can even call it neuroscience if you want, the point is it's off-topic and it's gone for 4 pages...
 

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So you played the game, and all you saw was the MC watching a video (3 of them actually plus one more of her going down on Paola while she's fingering her, playing back to back) with her and her boyfriend? Which is something you can accidentally see, since they are labelled as just "porn videos" or something like that with no indication they are her sextapes, even with the switch off by the way. You didn't see her making out with and "caressed" by the priest, kissing the random kid (because why the fuck not?), getting fingered by random bus guy, groped by elevator old fart, fingering herself in front of token black guy while he was jerking off, and 3 different paths where she ends up either making out with or playing with hereself in front of random dudes and then giving them her wet panties as a souvenir?
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I call it preaching, you call it friendly conversation. Hell, we can even call it neuroscience if you want, the point is it's off-topic and it's gone for 4 pages...
If you choose a love route in any game, the corruption route doesn't happen. As I see it, the purpose of choosing the NTR tag or not is to play her as a slut or not. There is nothing in game for you to assume she is secretly being a slut if that is not the path you chose. At least, so far.
 

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Do you think the MC seeing past video of his daughter having sex with her boyfriend as either NTR or cuckholding?

BTW, if you google translate netorare from Japanese to English, it comes back cuckholding.
And because of Google, I now know the term cuckholding comes from the cuckoo bird, known for leaving it's egg in other bird's nests. :) So literally, it meant finding out someone else knocked up your wife or concubine.
It is true that there is a certain person who distorts what there is in books and dictionaries to their advantage and who believes himself to be very intelligent (and is not google but wikipedia)
 

juliusnestor

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I am not sure what your point is here. Are you implying I didn't use google to translate?
not at all what I meant to say, excuse me if I made myself misunderstood; what I mean is that google gives a literary translation not a literary definition; sorry if my english is not good but it is google which translates.
 
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clowns234

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I personally don't see a reason to play this with the NTR shut off so on that I assume we agree. I would only point out that love routes tend to be slow burns for a reason.
 
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I personally don't see a reason to play this with the NTR shut off so on that I assume we agree. I would only point out that love routes tend to be slow burns for a reason.
SO.... you haven't actually played the entire game or at least the 'Love' path, yet you've been handing out unsolicited lectures about what shit is and what shit isn't regarding the game for the past 3 or 4 pages. There's a word for that my guy. Also, I can take a slow burn, but this game just ain't it. I mean the daughter literally got groped by someone not you 1 minute into the 'Love' path, but you literally wouldn't know that since you haven't actually played it.

Just a suggestion to the Dev: Just delete the Love path altogether and continue on with a Female protagonist since it seems that is your true passion and don't try to cross two rivers at once.
 

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SO.... you haven't actually played the entire game or at least the 'Love' path, yet you've been handing out unsolicited lectures about what shit is and what shit isn't regarding the game for the past 3 or 4 pages. There's a word for that my guy. Also, I can take a slow burn, but this game just ain't it. I mean the daughter literally got groped by someone not you 1 minute into the 'Love' path, but you literally wouldn't know that since you haven't actually played it.

Just a suggestion to the Dev: Just delete the Love path altogether and continue on with a Female protagonist since it seems that is your true passion and don't try to cross two rivers at once.
This is a forum, is it not? Not sure why you see my opinions as 'unsolicited lectures'. LOL
I would agree with your advice to the Dev, though. :)
 
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