VN Ren'Py Friends in Need [Ch.10 v0.71] [NeonGhosts]

[Orgitas]

I don't self insert but find that often with ntr the wrightig takes a nose dive and the tone changes to be spiteful and mean toward the player and not the character. It's a strange pattern that I've noticed in vns and other media, often with a "moral" of you made this happen through your inaction. With that being the case, especially in a vn where the author makes the decisions with the illusion of player choice, I can understand why people would not like ntr situations. In real life if a girl cheats on you you can tell her off or beat up the guy, you never get that choice or opportunity in most vns, which further drives home that the author is trying to create a weak powerless character which is something most people don't want to read about because they can't understand or emphasize with it. I see ntr as an extension of misery porn, because that's what it is.

There is, indeed, a lot of issues with writing in many AVNs. Any one can pick up a pen, but not everyone can write poetry, as they say. Over use of tropes. Bad archetypes. Pacing is all off. Just a general observation and not an insult, naturally, to the authors out there. The biggest gripe I have that is prevalent in far too many AVNs is use of the "willfully blind" MC. No matter if they are, not so, intelligent or a genius. They cannot connect the dots. That, particular, trait should be used in rare circumstances. However, it seems to be rampant in many characters. Used to keep the plot alive, and moving, because it is easy to do.

If you, me, or anyone else here were plopped into an AVN, we could probably resolve most things by the middle of the second episode, is all I am saying.

Nice conversation, this - pseudo cathartic.

 

[thehoudhini]

There is, indeed, a lot of issues with writing in many AVNs. Any one can pick up a pen, but not everyone can write poetry, as they say. Over use of tropes. Bad archetypes. Pacing is all off. Just a general observation and not an insult, naturally, to the authors out there. The biggest gripe I have that is prevalent in far too many AVNs is use of the "willfully blind" MC. No matter if they are, not so, intelligent or a genius. They cannot connect the dots. That, particular, trait should be used in rare circumstances. However, it seems to be rampant in many characters. Used to keep the plot alive, and moving, because it is easy to do.

If you, me, or anyone else here were plopped into an AVN, we could probably resolve most things by the middle of the second episode, is all I am saying.

Nice conversation, this - pseudo cathartic.

You seem to have good sense and I agree with the stuff you are saying. I have played a handful of VNs and only very rarely do I feel like the MC is making reasonable decisions (even in ones where I get to choose from a decision tree, it still feels off). The only game I've played recently that I thought was smartly written is Projekt: Passion. I know it's subjective but what games would you consider are good in your opinion? Low-key looking for game recs

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

Yeah i dont really see why people are offended by optional content, as long as its clearly indicated.

To my understanding, they complain because the devs have to spend time making contents they hate instead of focusing on what they like. NTR crowds are pretty powerful, and there have been cases of games with mostly non-NTR/sharing contents get slowly flipped around.

 

[Joshy92]

To my understanding, they complain because the devs have to spend time making contents they hate instead of focusing on what they like. NTR crowds are pretty powerful, and there have been cases of games with mostly non-NTR/sharing contents get slowly turned into mostly them.

I personally don't think anyone should ask a dev to add any fetish whether it's NTR or harem or whatever
Just let the dev create the game he or she wants to
Anyway that's just my thoughts on the matter

I don't think NeonGhosts will let anyone bully him one way or the other thankfully
He is one of the best writers on the site imo

 

[Echoesinthedarkness]

To my understanding, they complain because the devs have to spend time making contents they hate instead of focusing on what they like.

if that's the case then 1) idk about their actual age, but they (assuming by they you and I mean players) have mental fortitude of a 16 year old and shouldn't be on this site at all tbh 2) if they want a game which suits them 100% they can commission it no problemo
actually there are so many things wrong with "you make the kind of content I don't like" argument it's baffling anyone can think of it as a legit reasoning
also the fact we are debating mere possibility of adding a bit of optional sharing and there are guys already throwing tantrums over it speaks volumes about who is more "powerful" - as in, vocal out here

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

I personally don't think anyone should ask a dev to add any fetish whether it's NTR or harem or whatever
Just let the dev create the game he or she wants to
Anyway that's just my thoughts on the matter

I don't think NeonGhosts will let anyone bully him one way or the other thankfully
He is one of the best writers on the site imo

You can't prevent folks from demanding what contents included in the game, so as a dev, you either stay principled and consistent from start to end or give in and risk the inevitable shitshow.

NeonGhosts seems to lean on the first option (Nicki patch is the proof), so we shouldn't be worried about him sinking the ship.

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

if that's the case then 1) idk about their actual age, but they (assuming by they you and I mean players) have mental fortitude of a 16 year old and shouldn't be on this site at all tbh 2) if they want a game which suits them 100% they can commission it no problemo
actually there are so many things wrong with "you make the kind of content I don't like" argument it's baffling anyone can think of it as a legit reasoning
also the fact we are debating mere possibility of adding a bit of optional sharing and there are guys already throwing tantrums over it speaks volumes about who is more "powerful" - as in, vocal out here

Did you miss the rest of my post? It literally answered why these folks hate optional contents they loathe.

 

[Joshy92]

Man I can't wait to take Mason glasses shopping
Any time we can spend with him is awesome

 

[Auriel the autistic bot]

Man I can't wait to take Mason glasses shopping
Any time we can spend with him is awesome

I'm curious about wich glasses will he use, or if we are going to have a choice on the matter

 

[Old Grumpy Wolf]

I'm curious about wich glasses will he use, or if we are going to have a choice on the matter

It will be whatever the patrons decide as there was/is a poll on Neon's Patreon.

 

[Rasturac]

Looking forward seeing those glasses in action.

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[Regardie]

NeonGhosts been offline for a few days and missed the glasses question.

A - ok, but more trendy than necessary
B- no, girly, not what you want if you are projecting manliness
C- yes, rectangle, thin frame, not to big for the face
D- Ok, same as C but thicker frame, looks too heavy for the face

So in order: C, D, A, B

 

[MrHero67]

What happened to android version?

 

[Boombaru23]

Heyo,do I still need the if I got the non-vanilla version ?

 

[Old Grumpy Wolf]

Heyo,do I still need the if I got the non-vanilla version ?

As far as I know, yes. The patch doesn't work on Friends Indeed.

 

[GokutheG]

Heyo,do I still need the if I got the non-vanilla version ?

That version already has the patch but it's disabled by default. What you want to do is find the patch in the game folder, open it and change the part that says false to true.
You'll need to start a new save once the patch is active.

 

[Dessolos]

That version already has the patch but it's disabled by default. What you want to do is find the patch in the game folder, open it and change the part that says false to true.
You'll need to start a new save once the patch is active.

I didn't know that I just downloaded and install the patch that would of been faster and easier probably.

 

[Boombaru23]

That version already has the patch but it's disabled by default. What you want to do is find the patch in the game folder, open it and change the part that says false to true.
You'll need to start a new save once the patch is active.

Thank you,that worked.

 

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[Desastrousman]

What is the difference between the normal version and the Vanilla version?