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Who is to say that trying to take another advantage of Guy would be the easy way out for Nicki? I'd say a large part of her decision was being way too ashamed (if not afraid) to come beg him for money again. And especially if your Guy was an asshole about it the first time, because that meant having to face even more abuse from her supposed "friend".
well with the way I played Guy I see it as the easy way out cause I don't play him as an asshole. So it would of been easy for her to take advantage of him because of friendship I don't really see her being ashamed but rather feeling guilt for doing it the first time.
 

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Who is to say that trying to take another advantage of Guy would be the easy way out for Nicki? I'd say a large part of her decision was being way too ashamed (if not afraid) to come beg him for money again. And especially if your Guy was an asshole about it the first time, because that meant having to face even more abuse from her supposed "friend".
Maybe but I can't imagine taking that route. I think it's because - for most of my life I've lived around people who were one bit of bad luck away from bankruptcy and homelessness. I tried once playing in asshole mode and I just don't have it in me to be horrible to people just because I have more money than them. I mean I can be an asshole but I need a better motivation than money.
 
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Maybe but I can't imagine taking that route. I think it's because - for most of my life I've lived around people who were one bit of bad luck away from bankruptcy and homelessness. I tried once playing in asshole mode and I just don't have it in me to be horrible to people just because I have more money in them. I mean I can be an asshole but I need a better motivation than money.
Yeah, i get it. I don't think it even has anything to do with living around poor people -- i mean, i didn't really and the idea is still beyond revolting.

Like, i tried to take the dark route with two scenes, and i had to bail with tail between my legs on both occasions mid-way through. So, credit where due, kudos to the author. :whistle:
 

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my favorite scene in the game is the one right after that where she talks to the MC and explains everything she did while on her own. That is the scene that made me choose Nicki over anyone else well until Risa came in with her backstory now I like both the same but id probably still pick Nicki over Risa.
I like a lot of the girls, but I'll always pick Nicki.
 
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I tried once playing in asshole mode and I just don't have it in me to be horrible to people just because I have more money than them.
I'm usually like that with choice-based games; the "evil" choices rarely appeal since they rarely feel interestingly motivated.
Nicky is an example where I feel if it was written in a certain way I could see myself going a different route. But it'd have to be more like "seeing as you keep messing up I'm doing this for your own good", kinda thing, and it'd have to be convincingly written, and not feel just simply malicious (though certainly can be a certain level of patronizing etc.).

Haven't really followed what's up with the apparent Ch.1 rewrite but it'll be interesting to me to see if it makes any difference (well, just generally too ^^).
 

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I'm usually like that with choice-based games; the "evil" choices rarely appeal since they rarely feel interestingly motivated.
Nicky is an example where I feel if it was written in a certain way I could see myself going a different route. But it'd have to be more like "seeing as you keep messing up I'm doing this for your own good", kinda thing, and it'd have to be convincingly written, and not feel just simply malicious (though certainly can be a certain level of patronizing etc.).

Haven't really followed what's up with the apparent Ch.1 rewrite but it'll be interesting to me to see if it makes any difference (well, just generally too ^^).
From what I understand one of the major differences is that you’ll be able to give her the money but not have sex with her. I can see that being a good thing if you don’t want a sexual relationship with Nicki (just want to remain friends). I hope there’s also an option to say “Yes, I want to but not like this - only when you’re single, and only when you want to do it without the money. Our first time isn’t going to be because I paid you."
 

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I hope there’s also an option to say “Yes, I want to but not like this - only when you’re single, and only when you want to do it without the money. Our first time isn’t going to be because I paid you."
Well if there is such an option, i hope the response you get will be "It wouldn't be because you paid me, you fucking idiot." :sneaky:

(i mean, on the "nice" route it's already quite obvious that Nicki isn't lingering around because she thinks since you paid her she now owes you to put out or smth. And hearing from the guy as he puts on chivalrous airs that he apparently thinks you're a whore who would readily fuck him for money? Super romantic. Instant girl boner flop, right there)
 
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Well if there is such an option, i hope the response you get will be "It wouldn't be because you paid me, you fucking idiot." :sneaky:

(i mean, on the "nice" route it's already quite obvious that Nicki isn't lingering around because she thinks since you paid her she now owes you to put out or smth. And hearing from the guy as he puts on chivalrous airs that he apparently thinks you're a whore who would readily fuck him for money? Super romantic. Instant girl boner flop, right there)
Nah that’s not how anything works. On the asshole route you definitely have sex, and she came to you dressed like that for a reason. Saying - we’re not going to have sex for the first time while you still have a boyfriend who you’re going home to and while I’m handing you $20k - isn’t going to piss her off. Saying - I’ve had a crush on you for years, come see me when you’re single and not asking for money is fully reasonable. It also takes the sting out of her not coming back right away.
 
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Nah that’s not how anything works. On the asshole route you definitely have sex, and she came to you dressed like that for a reason.
I'm not talking about asshole route, but about the path where you give Nicky the money simply because she asked, making it clear you don't want anything from her in return.

Nicki came to Guy dressed like that because her dipshit of a boyfriend thought it'd be a great idea, knowing Guy had a soft spot for his girlfriend.

Saying - we’re not going to have sex for the first time while you still have a boyfriend who you’re going home to and while I’m handing you $20k - isn’t going to piss her off.
It'd very much piss me off to hear from a guy he thinks i'd readily fuck him because he gave me 20k, thankyouverymuch. It kind of overshadows the whole boyfriend thing and anything else he might pull out of his ass as "concerns", and i'd be quite inclined to tell him to go fuck himself and that sex with him is off the table, period.

If you think that's fully reasonable... well, good luck telling women that, if one asks you for a favor. I'm sure they'll be thrilled to hear such evaluation of their characters.
 

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I'm not talking about asshole route, but about the path where you give Nicky the money simply because she asked, making it clear you don't want anything from her in return.

Nicki came to Guy dressed like that because her dipshit of a boyfriend thought it'd be a great idea, knowing Guy had a soft spot for his girlfriend.


It'd very much piss me off to hear from a guy he thinks i'd readily fuck him because he gave me 20k, thankyouverymuch. It kind of overshadows the whole boyfriend thing and anything else he might pull out of his ass as "concerns", and i'd be quite inclined to tell him to go fuck himself and that sex with him is off the table, period.

If you think that's fully reasonable... well, good luck telling women that, if one asks you for a favor. I'm sure they'll be thrilled to hear such evaluation of their characters.

Well, you’re definitely not Nicki. I don’t think she’d take it that way at all and if she did I’d say ok bye and wouldn’t let her in the second time. Might not even give her the 20k. Pretending that her offering sex and you giving her 20k are unrelated (especially considering there were whole years when she could have fucked you if she wanted to) is silly, and disingenuous. Nicki is smarter than that. Edit: Look at it this way: What do you think happens if you say “ok, let’s fuck and I won’t give you 20k” ? How do you think that plays out? I mean I think that Nicki genuinely wants to, on the nice path, but it’s not unrelated.
 
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Well, you’re definitely not Nicki.
Of course this is true, but then neither are you, and the fact that my reading of your words is very different from yours shows that you can't conclude that she for sure wouldn't react negatively to being told such a thing. And that the claim saying things like that is fully reasonable is dubious -- because i don't think i'm the only person in the world who'd interpret them in such manner, and so there's certain likeliness your "fully reasonable" statement could badly backfire.

Pretending that her offering sex and you giving her 20k are unrelated (especially considering there were whole years when she could have fucked you if she wanted to) is silly, and disingenuous. Nicki is smarter than that.
And why exactly does it have to be pretending? You think that it's not possible for Nicki in the prologue of the game to want fuck Guy without him doing her favors?

Nicki didn't fuck Guy whole years yes, but that was while her own boyfriend didn't show himself to be a dipshit willing to doll her up just so another guy would give her money. It was also whole years during which Guy didn't prove himself to be a friend good enough to help Nicki with serious matter without asking anything of her in return, even though he could ask for a lot. Finally, it's quite reasonable to think that Nicki's feelings towards Guy could evolve and change over those years. Overall, what she did or didn't years back and what she would want to do in the present are far from one and the same.

I think what is silly is boiling this situation to "Guy gave her money" like that's the only factor in this whole situation that could possibly matter and drive Nicki's decisions.
 
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I think what is silly is boiling this situation to "Guy gave her money" like that's the only factor in this whole situation that could possibly matter and drive Nicki's decisions.
It’s not the only factor, but it is a factor and - If she’s someone I care about and have been crushing on for years, I’d rather it wasn’t a factor at all. If she reacted the way you’re suggesting it would mean, to me, that she wasn’t who I thought she was and I’d happily let her walk out, wouldn’t care if she came back and would move on with my life with zero regrets. I wouldn’t be on the Nicki path - might let her crash for a few days later, but that would be it.
 

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It’s not the only factor, but it is a factor and - If she’s someone I care about and have been crushing on for years, I’d rather it wasn’t a factor at all.
Except now it's never* going to be no factor at all. The fact Guy has given Nicki money is now permanent part of their relationship.

If Nicki now breaks up with her boyfriend and she has sex with Guy a week later, you're honestly going to claim you fully believe her receiving 20k just few days earlier no longer has any impact on her decisions? I think that'd be just as disingenuous as you say "pretending" in the first place would be.

*) ok, "never" is a bit of exaggeration here; if say, Nicki pays Guy back what he gifted her it'd remove the tangible part of the debt from the equation. Still the emotional impact of the fact Guy has rendered such assistance, that's not going to go away.
 
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