NeonGhosts

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Neon my man, this is stunning and perfect awooga :love:

But, why is there a floating ring on the left, and what in god's name happened to her clam!? :ROFLMAO:
Wait, you guys don't see my new John Cena model wearing a cockring?? As for her anatomy, I was doing this render for a supporter who wanted it, so I may have cut a few corners.. :'D

Hey dude I think you talked once about the LI not being perfect and having flaws I'm curious what flaws you consider Nicki & Mason to have.

I'm tyring to think of some but I can't but that could also be because I'm biased or something.
I think Nicki's biggest failing is her people-pleasing nature. Guy points it out last chapter, asking why she put up with Brent. She says something about being overly forgiving, due to how she grew up. If you pull together a few disparate remarks about/from Nicki, you can kind of assemble a picture of why she is like she is. She points out that she didn't have anyone to turn to aside from Guy, because she can't ask her family for help. She tells Maya that she has three brothers. Owen (Mr. Rhodenbarr's guard/body man) details a file he assembled on Nicki, which says both of her parents are both in prison. And of course she's able to forgive Dark Guy for being a real piece of shit.

I don't like to lay out too much stuff in posts like this, because sometimes my feelings/ideas change as I'm working on the story, and things I said on blog posts or message boards don't match what eventually ends up in the game. Plus, everyone has their own headcanon for characters. But, in my mind Nicki grew up in a very chaotic household, where she was likely abused by a family member. This causes her to subconsciously seek out men that are controlling and/or abusive. Maybe because it's familiar to her, or maybe because giving up a certain amount of control allows her to abdicate responsibility for when things in her life go wrong.

Her path with Good-to-Grey Guy is all about learning to take responsibility for herself, and build healthy boundaries.

Mason's biggest failing is that he's a furry.

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Wait, you guys don't see my new John Cena model wearing a cockring?? As for her anatomy, I was doing this render for a supporter who wanted it, so I may have cut a few corners.. :'D



I think Nicki's biggest failing is her people-pleasing nature. Guy points it out last chapter, asking why she put up with Brent. She says something about being overly forgiving, due to how she grew up. If you pull together a few disparate remarks about/from Nicki, you can kind of assemble a picture of why she is like she is. She points out that she didn't have anyone to turn to aside from Guy, because she can't ask her family for help. She tells Maya that she has three brothers. Owen (Mr. Rhodenbarr's guard/body man) details a file he assembled on Nicki, which says both of her parents are both in prison. And of course she's able to forgive Dark Guy for being a real piece of shit.

I don't like to lay out too much stuff in posts like this, because sometimes my feelings/ideas change as I'm working on the story, and things I said on blog posts or message boards don't match what eventually ends up in the game. Plus, everyone has their own headcanon for characters. But, in my mind Nicki grew up in a very chaotic household, where she was likely abused by a family member. This causes her to subconsciously seek out men that are controlling and/or abusive. Maybe because it's familiar to her, or maybe because giving up a certain amount of control allows her to abdicate responsibility for when things in her life go wrong.

Her path with Good-to-Grey Guy is all about learning to take responsibility for herself, and build healthy boundaries.

Mason's biggest failing is that he's a furry.

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Thank's man. I know you're a busy dude, and I appreciate you taking time to talk about these things with us.

For me, one of the most interesting parts of the game is the good Guy & Nicki dynamic.
 
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Wait, you guys don't see my new John Cena model wearing a cockring?? As for her anatomy, I was doing this render for a supporter who wanted it, so I may have cut a few corners.. :'D



I think Nicki's biggest failing is her people-pleasing nature. Guy points it out last chapter, asking why she put up with Brent. She says something about being overly forgiving, due to how she grew up. If you pull together a few disparate remarks about/from Nicki, you can kind of assemble a picture of why she is like she is. She points out that she didn't have anyone to turn to aside from Guy, because she can't ask her family for help. She tells Maya that she has three brothers. Owen (Mr. Rhodenbarr's guard/body man) details a file he assembled on Nicki, which says both of her parents are both in prison. And of course she's able to forgive Dark Guy for being a real piece of shit.

I don't like to lay out too much stuff in posts like this, because sometimes my feelings/ideas change as I'm working on the story, and things I said on blog posts or message boards don't match what eventually ends up in the game. Plus, everyone has their own headcanon for characters. But, in my mind Nicki grew up in a very chaotic household, where she was likely abused by a family member. This causes her to subconsciously seek out men that are controlling and/or abusive. Maybe because it's familiar to her, or maybe because giving up a certain amount of control allows her to abdicate responsibility for when things in her life go wrong.

Her path with Good-to-Grey Guy is all about learning to take responsibility for herself, and build healthy boundaries.

Mason's biggest failing is that he's a furry.

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Just jokes, fur-fans! <3
I have to say brother every time I hear you talk about the game it makes me want to stop saving it up and play it

but I have to be strong and resist because I know when I do decide to play that's going to be one damn good update
 

Jarulf

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I think Neon is planning for her to arc away from that and rediscover who she really is and why it's worth fighting for.
It's her struggle, her fight, but I'll be there with her for the whole journey. I'll wipe her brow, I'll hug her and give her pep talks, put her boxing gloves back on and be the firm rock for her to stand on, as far as I am able and she wants me .
 

PHIL101-YYouPPHard

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Wait, you guys don't see my new John Cena model wearing a cockring?? As for her anatomy, I was doing this render for a supporter who wanted it, so I may have cut a few corners.. :'D
Imagining John Cena with a pencil dick thin enough to fit that ring around is an infinitely entertaining image you've given me :LOL:

I think Nicki's biggest failing is her people-pleasing nature. Guy points it out last chapter, asking why she put up with Brent. She says something about being overly forgiving, due to how she grew up. If you pull together a few disparate remarks about/from Nicki, you can kind of assemble a picture of why she is like she is. She points out that she didn't have anyone to turn to aside from Guy, because she can't ask her family for help. She tells Maya that she has three brothers. Owen (Mr. Rhodenbarr's guard/body man) details a file he assembled on Nicki, which says both of her parents are both in prison. And of course she's able to forgive Dark Guy for being a real piece of shit.

I don't like to lay out too much stuff in posts like this, because sometimes my feelings/ideas change as I'm working on the story, and things I said on blog posts or message boards don't match what eventually ends up in the game. Plus, everyone has their own headcanon for characters. But, in my mind Nicki grew up in a very chaotic household, where she was likely abused by a family member. This causes her to subconsciously seek out men that are controlling and/or abusive. Maybe because it's familiar to her, or maybe because giving up a certain amount of control allows her to abdicate responsibility for when things in her life go wrong.

Her path with Good-to-Grey Guy is all about learning to take responsibility for herself, and build healthy boundaries.
Damn dude :cry: Very fascinating read, but sad. I like picking your brain on the game.

I always love reading everyone adding their own perspective on a character though! For me, I wondered if Nicki is the way she is because she doesn't quite have a firm grasp on herself, doesn't know what she wants in life, or what a good man for her looks like, and so kind of just goes with whatever other people want out of her; whether to adopt a sense of direction for herself, or to distract from the numbness of feeling lost.

Of course, I base that partly on my own personal experiences, or people I've known, or just characters in other works that have influenced me. Maybe there's some writing in the game that goes against that interpretation of Nicki? I'm pretty slow to pick up on details, shit memory etc. But that's how I imagined her, if anyone gets anything out of it.

I'm pleased that it kinda meshes well with what you had in mind, about being a people pleaser with an abusive past and a chaotic family life. A certain number of people pleasers out there do it because they don't know how to please themselves, so taking care of others sort of scratches that need vicariously. And in the case of abuse victims, sometimes satisfying others is how you survive. So depressing when you think too much about it :confused:

Mason's biggest failing is that he's a furry.

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Oh man, but in all seriousness.. I don't think I can come up with a flaw for Mason, because he's mostly just a victim of circumstance really. I guess the fact he was willing to cuck Nicki, and really put the pussy pressure on a taken Guy... that's pretty messed up. Let's just say if Nicki puts a nerf bat to that furry mask and bops Mason some good ones until he forgets he's a man... well, Mason mah boy, you had that one coming :LOL:
 
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Pixillin'

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Oh man, but in all seriousness.. I don't think I can come up with a flaw for Mason, because he's mostly just a victim of circumstance really. I guess the fact he was willing to cuck Nicki, and really put the pussy pressure on a taken Guy... that's pretty messed up. Let's just say if Nicki puts a nerf bat to that furry mask and bops Mason some good ones until he forgets he's a man... well, Mason mah boy, you had that one coming :LOL:
Mason is just insecure - which is normal, given his circumstances but I think in Mason’s head if he can make himself more valuable to Guy (by whatever means) it decreases the chances that he ends up back on the street so he’s willing to do a lot to avoid that.

As for Nicki … now I’m worried because I’ve known two people that match Neon’s description (more or less) and they did not end well. Neither of them could handle relationships that weren’t abusive, so if a guy wasn’t mean to them they’d be mean to him because it’s the only dynamic they understood. One of those two people is dead now (self inflicted) and the other was homeless for awhile and then left - said she was going to New Mexico (to chase a guy who she’d been in an abusive relationship with years before) but who knows.
 

Joshy92

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I've been thinking more about Nicki seeking out men who are arseholes and stuff. And if I treat her as nice as possible, that might shock her or something.

It's a trope I know, but it's one of my favourites in any entertainment product to witness just behind the classic nice guy bad girl trope, which I'm kind of hoping Isabella fills that role here.
 

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I've been thinking more about Nicki seeking out men who are arseholes and stuff. And if I treat her as nice as possible, that might shock her or something.
Let's just hope treating her nicely isn't something she has trouble coping with and leaves us for an asshole.
 
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PHIL101-YYouPPHard

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Mason is just insecure - which is normal, given his circumstances but I think in Mason’s head if he can make himself more valuable to Guy (by whatever means) it decreases the chances that he ends up back on the street so he’s willing to do a lot to avoid that.

As for Nicki … now I’m worried because I’ve known two people that match Neon’s description (more or less) and they did not end well. Neither of them could handle relationships that weren’t abusive, so if a guy wasn’t mean to them they’d be mean to him because it’s the only dynamic they understood. One of those two people is dead now (self inflicted) and the other was homeless for awhile and then left - said she was going to New Mexico (to chase a guy who she’d been in an abusive relationship with years before) but who knows.
Damn that's sad man, sorry to hear. Luckily Neon can write whatever ending he wants and I'd imagine a depressing shit ending is not very fitting for a porn VN. Maybe on the dark path? Although my impression is that Neon wants the LIs to wrestle some sort of victory from dark Guy's mess he's created for them, so probably not even that. I think the LIs are ultimately gonna be fine :) Guy, on the other hand, will likely get his comeuppance if he's been naughty :cool:
 

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Damn that's sad man, sorry to hear. Luckily Neon can write whatever ending he wants and I'd imagine a depressing shit ending is not very fitting for a porn VN. Maybe on the dark path? Although my impression is that Neon wants the LIs to wrestle some sort of victory from dark Guy's mess he's created for them, so probably not even that. I think the LIs are ultimately gonna be fine :) Guy, on the other hand, will likely get his comeuppance if he's been naughty :cool:
Yeah if the mc goes too far I can see his justified ending being that he's arrested(or worse) for abusing the LIs and others while it's revealed that the charity was used as a cover for this and to find other victims. I can see someone like Nicki taking over the charity and using it to actually help people.

If you've played Pale Carnations than I think you understand what I'm talking about with the charity.
 

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Yeah if the mc goes too far I can see his justified ending being that he's arrested(or worse) for abusing the LIs and others while it's revealed that the charity was used as a cover for this and to find other victims. I can see someone like Nicki taking over the charity and using it to actually help people.

If you've played Pale Carnations than I think you understand what I'm talking about with the charity.
On the other hand if the protagonist does charity out of his heart and helps people in need, there might be a possibility he gets taken out by Lucien and his big goon should he delve deeper into their criminal activities, or perhaps his other associates will do that hit. He realized he could've died at that drug den when he went there with Risa (and Nicki later angrily reminded him of that once he was safely back at the studio).
 

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On the other hand if the protagonist does charity out of his heart and helps people in need, there might be a possibility he gets taken out by Lucien and his big goon should he delve deeper into their criminal activities, or perhaps his other associates will do that hit. He realized he could've died at that drug den when he went there with Risa (and Nicki later angrily reminded him of that once he was safely back at the studio).
Of course, as I understand it, if you’re enough of a dick both Nicki and Viola are gone now, one of them ight come back and take you out.
 
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Edit for new version v.0.71 - I expect I'll get to updating this over the weekend.

Well here it is, a gallery mod to replay scenes in the game

Compatible with: Friends in Need
Game version: 0.60c
Mod version: 0.60c.1
Will be this mod updated?
 
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