VN Ren'Py Friends in Need [Ch. 9 v0.60c] [NeonGhosts]

[Master of Puppets]

I kinda like this idea too, maybe it can be combined with original idea of dev. Slight changes in narrative and a few more options can be better. Though, branching in this game is already verge of overwhelming and we will have a few must branching if this change also adds to it I don't think it will be a good idea.

Not sure which you're referring to, but my idea wouldn't be an extra path, just a way to move from one already existing path to another already existing path. Would only be one scene needing rewriting, and most of that could come from the already written good/bad scenes.

Nicki hardly had a choice either. She was on hook for all the debt, not Brent.

She did have a choice though, she could have come to MC, who she already knew. Mason did not have that option.

 

[Grim997]

So I guess I'm a little late from the party, but is there no plan to make an option to make Mason mtf?

 

[armond]

Mutant tarantula finger? I don't know all abbreviations and I'm not gonna look it up, sorry

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

Nicki hardly had a choice either. She was on hook for all the debt, not Brent.

After she asked money she could have off the hook but she did not, she even put the money in shared account. Mason got kicked out for something he did not have control over, definitely not the same.

Not sure which you're referring to, but my idea wouldn't be an extra path, just a way to move from one already existing path to another already existing path. Would only be one scene needing rewriting, and most of that could come from the already written good/bad scenes.

We are referring same thing but if you have option to be good after dark choice; you cannot put MC on good path, you need to have references to bad choices you did. Or vice versa. If MC switch to another path without consequences it will break immersion. So instead of our regular 3 paths (Good, Opportunist and Dark) we need to have 9 paths (Good to good, good to opportunist, good to dark etc.) It may not need new renders but it will text changes according to paths.

 

[Jace_Herondale]

After she asked money she could have off the hook but she did not, she even put the money in shared account.

She didn't. MC just put them there not knowing they have joint accounts

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

She didn't. MC just put them there not knowing they have joint accounts

Yeah that is right and MC guessed her account number and her bank.

 

[Jace_Herondale]

Yeah that is right and MC guessed her account number and her bank.

They knew each other for years. I would assume they made some transactions with each other.

 

[Joshy92]

Fair enough. But, the patch doesn't need updating with this game, as it doesn't come with any game content, simply a text file that tells the game that you have patch content enabled, which is already included with the base download. Even when the dev splits the game into two versions, I think the "Friends in Need" version will still be what gets uploaded here and patch will still be a simple text file or w/e, but someone correct me if I'm wrong.


Haha, yeah... I'd guess the main reason is that Mason's character doesn't have history with the MC and is upfront about everything and nothing really needs to be figured out on the part of MC. With Nicki, I think it's two main things: 1) her relationship with MC is more complicated (to me at least) and I always get the feeling she's confused and unsure about a lot of things between them, whereas MC tells us that he has feelings for her; and 2) the order of events in chp. 1, i.e. she gets dressed up which signals interest, spends time with MC, and then asks for money. Because of those two things combined, I imagine it allows the especially paranoid players to project all of their worst expectations onto the character, despite the fact you've said otherwise and have left various things in the game that notify her true intentions.

Some of these dudes are probably the kind who throw around "cuck" willy-nilly and are really, really sensitive to feeling or appearing emasculated, perhaps even are naturally mistrusting of women in relationships, which we can all agree is an unhealthy growing trend these days..

I feel like your revamped chp.1 should fix #2 (order of events) issue some players have since your intended friend relationship will be emphasized more and it will be easier to see that Nicki is being pushed around and manipulated by Brent (wearing the dress, asking for money, etc.).. but if they're the aforementioned kind of guy, who couldn't sympathize with a real woman in the real world if they tried, they're probably going to keep harping on about "whore Nicki using and cucking the player" no matter what you do.

Ok good to know I won't have to wait for the patch to update I'll use it then.

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

They knew each other for years. I would assume they made some transactions with each other.

Dude I don't know what you are trying to get, she knew it was a joint account and it was her responsibility. Either she gave the info that night or MC knew it beforehand changes nothing, she could have said "oh btw don't send that to that account" if he knew the info; if she gave info that night or next day she could have chose another one or even if that joint account was the only account due to her prior bankruptcy or something else, she could have asked cash. She could have cash out after MC put it in joint account. Thousands of options she had and only wrong option was trusting Brent but she did it anyway. MC gave 20k, she lost it and somehow it's MC's fault. How?

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

I'm not even a Nikki lover(also not a hater), the blatant misogyny of referring to any character who isn't a perfect demure little virgin as a whore pisses me the fuck off. It's so prevalent in these forums, especially in harem games (which I prefer), not that this is one, but the constant current is exhausting.

To be fair, she's like one step closer to become an actual whore.

Whore = prostitute. OF is not prostitution, generally speaking. Regardless we all sell our bodies and minds to live (any VA hospital is full of examples) and regardless of how that's done, people deserve dignity and not to be denigrated for what they do to survive. Rather than looking upon someone with disgust, in this situation with Nikki or similar (there are plenty, allegedly, of sex workers who enjoy their work and aren't coerced, to whom sympathy wouldn't apply/would be kinda rude), maybe some sympathy for someone getting to a point where they felt that was their only out.

OF is basically virtual prostitution where your selling point is >=90% body whereas hospital staffs and many other wagies are not. I could go on about how OF promotes widespread of porn and its inherent danger to people's mental health, but it'll be ironic to discuss in a porn thread.

It's hard to sympathize with Nikki anyway since she escalates the situtation all on her own (good MC route).

They knew each other for years. I would assume they made some transactions with each other.

By that logic, one could assume MC and Nikki only transacted before she make a joint account, or assume Nikki always has joint account without ever telling MC, etc.

Assumptions don't mean anything since the reality is Nikki herself felt stupid and ashamed for not telling MC about that crucial tiny detail.

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

Niks dissapears and becomes a used coke whore for anyone other than MC,
then comes to MC to revel in his

Nice fanfiction, bro.

 

[Joshy92]

I'm looking forward to when we get a romantic date with Nicki.
That would be my favourite scene In the whole game I think.
I just want to cuddle her and tell her everything will be ok.

 

[Canto Forte]

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Which she did after she got outta the whole BF fiasco .. on her own, after already having money and a life.



Which she did - go to a whole ”nother country to get do all of ”no way I could do it” nine yards ...

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

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Which she did after she got outta the whole BF fiasco .. on her own, after already having money and a life.

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Which she did - go to a whole ”nother country to get do all of ”no way I could do it” nine yards ...

What the fuck? Why did you even mention Seymour and ORS out of nowhere?

Some say you're an AI let loose here, and they might have a point.

 

[ImperialD]

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Which she did after she got outta the whole BF fiasco .. on her own, after already having money and a life.

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Which she did - go to a whole ”nother country to get do all of ”no way I could do it” nine yards ...

at least Nikki left my name out of it .... but i do see Canto's name .... so your the one

 

[Master of Puppets]

We are referring same thing but if you have option to be good after dark choice; you cannot put MC on good path, you need to have references to bad choices you did. Or vice versa. If MC switch to another path without consequences it will break immersion. So instead of our regular 3 paths (Good, Opportunist and Dark) we need to have 9 paths (Good to good, good to opportunist, good to dark etc.) It may not need new renders but it will text changes according to paths.

Nope, you're wrong there dude. You can already go onto the good path after raping Nicki at the beginning. Or go onto the bad path after being nice to her at the beginning. That isn't anything new. The difference is that you currently do so at the end of chapter 3, and the scene at the beginning of chapter 3 when she first appears back in his life is fixed based on the choice made in chapter 1. I just think that if he's going to go from one path to the other, it makes more sense for his change of heart to be during the time she was away, therefore the choice being as soon as she arrived back rather than later on.

 

[Krynh]

So I guess I'm a little late from the party, but is there no plan to make an option to make Mason mtf?

... Why do you want that?

 

[PHIL101-YYouPPHard]

... Why do you want that?

cuz cock rocks

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Which she did after she got outta the whole BF fiasco .. on her own, after already having money and a life.

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Which she did - go to a whole ”nother country to get do all of ”no way I could do it” nine yards ...

pull back on the schizo a bit, it's a bit much my brother

 

[U330661]

If harem ends up not being an option and I do have to pick just one I'll probably start over mono Nikki. I'm very loyal and can't break it off with first girl or cheat, if I have the option to not do those things. It's part of why I hate having to choose, because it'll always be first girl, so if there's no harem to work towards (preferably openly and honestly) I miss the rest of the game. And ain't nobody got time to replay things, I don't even replay my favorite AAA games.

I've had this same qualm with both Hillside and Pale Carnations recently, especially the latter. If you decide to date one of the characters, now you're locked out of arguably the funniest FWB (I presume it will eventually lead to a relationship) characters in the game, and now you have to cheat on your gf or you have to break her heart when it is fairly clear she's into you. Especially when games make you choose a path, I find it to be arguably the least enjoyable part of the game, as you either let one person down, or another.

 

[NeonGhosts]

She didn't. MC just put them there not knowing they have joint accounts

I'd have to check my verbiage for that passage, but I think my intention was more that Nicki and Brent had always had a shared account, and she just didn't think about it before accepting the deposit there. After all, they were usually splitting the shared income of a couple of under-employed convenience store clerks, so it's not like there was ever the worry Brent would take much, since there was never much to take. Nicki defaulted to old habits. After all, how many people would stop to think, "Oh hey, let's go down to the bank and open a new account before I accept this giant sum of money."

And reading between the lines, once can assume Brent insisted on shared accounts, as one more way to exert control over Nicki. Honestly, I'm kind of looking forward to having Brent come back, just so I can dig into that relationship a bit more.

I'm looking forward to when we get a romantic date with Nicki.
That would be my favourite scene In the whole game I think.
I just want to cuddle her and tell her everything will be ok.

It's coming! >_>

So I guess I'm a little late from the party, but is there no plan to make an option to make Mason mtf?

No, sorry. The reason's three-fold.

• I don't think Mason would really be the same character is he was a trans girl. That carries with it a whole other set of societal perceptions and pressures and yadda yadda yadda. I don't want to get into the politics of it, but his challenges would be different, as society looks at trans women differently than trans men.
• I'd have to make even more variations of his sex scenes if there was the option to swap his gender. His scene with the wig was already enough of a headache. Go look at the code for that section, it was super annoying.
• I'm personally just not super into trans girls/dick, and I've have a hard time putting my all into it. And if I did it, I likely wouldn't do the fantasy version where you have a perfectly femme lady who just happens to have a dick. She'd likely be more realistic, which I don't think would really please the people who want that particular feature in the game.

But hey, it's Pride Month, so here's a little What If -- Neon Added a Trans Lady to the Story?

Spoiler: Spoiled for Lady Dick!

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