Dessolos

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It is so hard to write good characters, it is even harder to write great dialogues for them but it is almost impossible for 99% of the games here to put it all together to make you feel it is not forced. That is the way you can recognize who is really good at it (making VNs) and who is not, you just need to have "that thing". Talent, tons of empathy to actually be able to identify as character? You call it but yeah, not an easy task for sure.

Each character has it's own approach for example, god how many games are out there that would allow you to just put some cheap lines to Caroline and make her let you fuck? Not here, she is mother above all and you can feel it here, make Maya like you is the way to go. Ashe? MC's first though is "bimbo" and after a while you see how complex and smart she actually is. Meeting her parents made me flashbacks lol, I guess I'm not the only one here. Madison didn't hop on MC's dick when she could, she is loyal to her husband and you can see that from the start, not even a single hint that she would do anything with you. Gabby and her teenage mind, Brittani similar to Ashe and actually more complex and way smarter that she looks like, still a mysterious Pepper, Wren, damn even Lisa feels like there is something more in her character than just silly sugar daddy's girl.

The thing is NeonGhosts did not go with the obvious and repeatable path of creating AVN characters (one jester male friend and couple girls with one/two obvious traits like sweet/silly, rebellious, dumb, the smartest etc...) but made them more real-like, more complex. Although, thinking about that now, I say it with every AVN, it would be great to see some good written male friends/characters to maybe even compete with them for the girl we both want.
You put that into better words than I ever could but yeah that is 100% the reason why this game is so good. But yeah this game does have something I do wish more avn games would have and that is to have a LI that you actually get get to know / they have some resistance before you get to fuck them . Even the ones that are easy to fuck in this one still have more character than ones from other games.
 

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Game version 0.4 on joiplay on Android. So that may be the problem but idk.
It probably is. I don't use Joiplay and I have no idea what renpy version it uses since from this it seems it does not use the one bundled with the game or how it reacts to changes the mod needs. You can try to extract this file over the installed mod and overwrite which should fix the original error but there will almost certainly be others even if the gallery can be run.
 
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Mason is a well rounded character on top of a rarity in this medium. Not in my top but I can appreciate a job well done.
Now while is true that most trans/dickgirls in fiction are portrayed with a beauty canon in mind, that doesn't mean that all the real ones are ugly or whatever. There are beautiful trans women in movies, modeling and so on, but if you as a dev want to portray an unconventional beauty that's fine too.
Yeah, I know it's a dead topic including a MtF character and isn't going to happen, but considering how artistic license and porn VN logic is allowed in other ways for other characters in this game, I don't see why it would be so unlikely to come across a magical specimen of transgirl that was born lucky and started transitioning early (examples of former point: Ashe hip-to-waist ratio; Ashe's father's size; certain girl's personalities that perfectly match what we men, and lesbians ;), want from a woman; Guy having multiple orgasms in short amount of time in a few scenes; and so on and so forth). Since discovering transgirl porn, I have found a pretty decent handful who just stand out in terms of their face/body. Yeah, if you really look closely, you can see some masculine things here and there... maybe shoulders and hip-to-waist still isn't ideal, blah blah, but they look pretty damn convincing.

Though, honestly, even if we were given a non-fantasy version, you could still make them hot with flattering angles. After all, I think most trans girls in porn almost 100% rely on that to maintain the fantasy. So, may as well do that in the VN too, right? I mean, why not? And I agree that you don't have to focus on absolutely every 'ugly' or unflattering aspect of a transwoman's life. Maybe once you get pretty far on their romance path? That would honestly be a good opportunity to learn what transwomen go through and could actually be very enlightening for those of us who know nothing and purely know them from a masturbatory/fantasy perspective. Hell, could even start showing less flattering images of the character as you get deeper into their romance path, sort of a symbolic way of transitioning from the fantasy to the reality. It could be very artistic and eye-opening (heart-breaking too; I feel so sorry for trans people and their dilemma, especially mtf who have a harder time passing).

Btw, if anyone wants some good (imo) examples of passing: Lanita Hot (especially when younger); Bianca Freire (again, especially when younger); Isabelly Klein (only one appearance in porn :cry:); Jessi Martinez (younger before getting work done :(); Kasey Kei is pretty good if you like thicker; lanax420; Milena Campanelli (younger); Mirella Ferraz; Bella Bates; MoonlightKim; sexy_maleja; sandralamp; sexysallysunshinexxx; candy sharpay; and I'll stop there. You may have to add 'ts' after their name in google search to find them. Enjoy.
 
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I didn't make it very far into this one, but I wanted to ask why this game has such a high rating? Does the quality just drastically improve at some point? The early sections were really not engaging me at all. I read through the reviews and I just don't understand the disconnect between what I read and what I was playing. Thanks in advance.
Chapter 1 is definitely rougher than later chapters. And, imo, Chapter 3 is when it really starts to pick up in a good way (obviously chp 2 is still fantastic and is the chp where I decided I loved the game). If you still hate in chp 2 and especially chp 3, obviously it's just not for you. Personally, I can't wrap my head around anyone hating this perfect gem.

The thing is NeonGhosts did not go with the obvious and repeatable path of creating AVN characters (one jester male friend and couple girls with one/two obvious traits like sweet/silly, rebellious, dumb, the smartest etc...) but made them more real-like, more complex. Although, thinking about that now, I say it with every AVN, it would be great to see some good written male friends/characters to maybe even compete with them for the girl we both want.
Yeah, 100% man. It's super easy for anyone to write surface-level stereotypes for the nth time and it gets old extremely fast; I can't get off to that shit. Some writers, I think you can tell they aren't very experienced and if they have to go through that stage to get better, I wish them luck. But others I think the case is that they aren't very dedicated to quality and just don't ultimately care very much in the end. They aren't in it for the long-haul and it's probably a fun little project for them that they'll abandon after a few chapters at most... unless of course they start making good money lol.
 
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So I finally completed my playthrough of the chapter. My saves were gone because something happened when I upgraded my storage so I started all over from the beginning. It was everything an Ashe fan like myself could've asked for but ... I am a deeply flawed human. Here I am, drowning in 90% Ashe and a little bit of Viola but playing through the game from the beginning again made me like the other characters even more. Now I'm just thinking about Gabby, Pepper, Brittani, Viola (as a maid), and Risa.

All I can say is that it's a damn good thing Neon is working on these characters on a big cycle and that it coincidentally syncs up to my flippant preferences. :LOL:
 

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So I finally completed my playthrough of the chapter. My saves were gone because something happened when I upgraded my storage so I started all over from the beginning. It was everything an Ashe fan like myself could've asked for but ... I am a deeply flawed human. Here I am, drowning in 90% Ashe and a little bit of Viola but playing through the game from the beginning again made me like the other characters even more. Now I'm just thinking about Gabby, Pepper, Brittani, Viola (as a maid), and Risa.

All I can say is that it's a damn good thing Neon is working on these characters on a big cycle and that it coincidentally syncs up to my flippant preferences. :LOL:
I'll always be a Nicki fan first but yeah I like Ashe alot 2 probably second best character for me personally. Pepper, Brittani, Viola are pretty good as well but I think they need more updates to get on the same level as the other character but still good for what we do know about them. Only reason I don't include Gabby in that while she is really good character probably same quality as Ashe or Nicki I don't intent to do any of the lewd stuff with her as I'm not interested in her beyond her character development, so she is stuck in the friend zone for me.
 
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EDIT: For anyone reading this, the Nicki patch was just a little joke I put out to play with the fans here. Be aware that installing it will revert your game back to version .375, so if you really want to see it, install it in a back-up copy of the game.

Well, gang.. Here it is. People have asked for it. Screamed for it. I've gotten private messages raking me over the coals, people pledging to never play the game again, and a smattering of poor reviews. I know when to admit I'm wrong.

So, here is.. . If you install this patch into your main FiN folder and allow it to merge with the existing "game" folder, it will overwrite existing script script files, and add new images to support a new path. With this path, you can choose to excise Nicki entirely from the story.

Just start from the beginning and, when you get to the choice to help her or not, choose "Tell her to fuck off."
Greatest patch of all time
 
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It probably is. I don't use Joiplay and I have no idea what renpy version it uses since from this it seems it does not use the one bundled with the game or how it reacts to changes the mod needs. You can try to extract this file over the installed mod and overwrite which should fix the original error but there will almost certainly be others even if the gallery can be run.
Will try. Thank you
 

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You are only a horrible person if you actually do it. As long as you understand that must remain in the realm of fantasy, you're probably OK.
Well obviously it's like the rape fetish dilemma, most common fetish among both men and women. Just about everyone likes to fap to it, but most of us hate it when it's not fantasy and I would also like to think most of us would never actually do it even if statistics say otherwise.
 
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Dessolos

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Well obviously it's like the rape fetish dilemma, most common fetish among both men and women. Just about everyone likes to fap to it, but most of us hate it when it's not fantasy and I would also like to think most of us would never actually do it even if statistics say otherwise.
I played the dark path after beating the game without the patch ( didn't know about on my first playthrough) and only watched the first time your assaulted Nicki after that I kinda just skipped through as I wanted to see if there was any consequence yet for doing that with the other girls. Felt too bad doing it as the MC but if was some NTR guy doing I ironically probally wont skip those scenes.
 

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Well obviously it's like the rape fetish dilemma, most common fetish among both men and women. Just about everyone likes to fap to it, but most of us hate it when it's not fantasy and I would also like to think most of us would never actually do it even if statistics say otherwise.
Citation strongly needed...
 
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It's more common among women.


Results indicated that 62% of women have had a rape fantasy. For these women, the median rape fantasy frequency was about four times per year, with 14% of participants reporting that they had rape fantasies at least once a week.


This article is the first systematic review of the research literature on women's rape fantasies. Current research indicates that between 31% and 57% of women have fantasies in which they are forced into sex against their will, and for 9% to 17% of women these are a frequent or favorite fantasy experience.
 

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It's more common among women.


Results indicated that 62% of women have had a rape fantasy. For these women, the median rape fantasy frequency was about four times per year, with 14% of participants reporting that they had rape fantasies at least once a week.


This article is the first systematic review of the research literature on women's rape fantasies. Current research indicates that between 31% and 57% of women have fantasies in which they are forced into sex against their will, and for 9% to 17% of women these are a frequent or favorite fantasy experience.
Seems like it's subject to the same WEIRD problem a lot of psych studies are, so not great as a representative for women as a whole, but in at least undergrads there is a bit of something there maybe.
 
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Seems like it's subject to the same WEIRD problem a lot of psych studies are, so not great as a representative for women as a whole, but in at least undergrads there is a bit of something there maybe.
Keep in mind it's pretty much always self reporting surveys(that is they're asked a question about themselves and expected to give an honest answer), and that's always been suspect. So the truth is unless we interrogate them under a brain scan, or have an exact copy of their minds that we can examine in depth at our leisure (a black mirror-horror story right there), we are relying on people to be forthcoming with things they've trained themselves to deny to the point where they lie to themselves about it.
That isn't to say it's completely invalid, as it's practically all we have at the moment and it can help inform predictive models that work within reasonable margins of error, but conversely that is to say I suspect there are a greater measure of us who like terrible things than we will ever admit, and that denial is just part of the veneer of us being civilized. Which is a good thing.
Meanwhile, Stephen King has a short essay about why people like horror (movies), about feeding the 'gators. I think it's appropriate, and particularly applicable to porn games. Certain taboos and 'kinks' that are deliberately left as fantasy because the consequences of it in life is messy and not as pleasant... The fictions allow us to explore the thrill of the power dynamics, or even just because it lets us feel more in control of ourselves. Or even just is exciting on it's face.
On a personal note, I greatly enjoy the sweeter, kinder, more noble options in this game expressly because the darker options exist as valid options. It's not an illusion of choice, it's a deliberate choice to be good when doing a more selfish and cruel act is every bit as rewarding, or more so in some cases.
 
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