VN Ren'Py Friends in Need [Ch. 9 v0.60c] [NeonGhosts]

[Quetzzz]

Well, unfortunately there is a limit in choices even to the best VNs. At last you can full friendzone Nicky and after that she's basically a secretary. There are a lot of games where i would like to go like "no, get the fuck lost Maya and Josy" or "no, Melody, i don't give a fuck of your music career" but the game doesn't work without some character. At last you are not bound to unavoidable choices like "Do you like Haley?" "Well, really, no. Not at all..." "WRONG! You like Haley! Live with that!".

Oh, absolutely. These are just my thoughts and remarks while playing, they're not criticism per se. I do think the available options betray Guy's way of thinking. And, he's really not thinking clearly as soon as a pretty woman comes into the picture. (His sudden interest in the bookstore is another good example of that. I turned down Ashe, and the next morning he'll remark she'd make a good friend. Except they move in different circles and she's dumb as a rock. She'd make good arm-candy, that's about it.)

 

[Quetzzz]

I was in love as soon as I saw her.

Granted, you seem to fall in love with every troubled pretty woman.
Can't blame you, physically she was very appealing before getting covered in tats. Petite women are the best.

 

[Joshy92]

Not gonna lie I was a bit sad when Guy got Nicki her own place and she moved out. She is such a lovely girl I just want to hold her hand and cuddle up with her at night

I agree completely mate.
Nicki deserves lots of cuddles and kisses.

I hope we get to marry her near the end of the game.

 

[Quetzzz]

I hope we get to marry her near the end of the game.

Just... Get a prenup. She's already proven she can't handle money.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Oh for fuck's sake. (disclaimer: enabled the patch)
I can respond to Nicki with:
- Treat her with kindness
- Offer to pay her for sex
- Assault her violently
Why not a "I'll give you a loan without interest", or a "No, please leave?".

Technically there is an anti nicki patch that allows for that choice to happen.

Nicki works best for me when I ignore her and concentrate on other girls because she doesn't annoy me as much as most but she's so damn needy. I let her live her life and treat her with kindness cuz shes a good assistant

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Oh, absolutely. These are just my thoughts and remarks while playing, they're not criticism per se. I do think the available options betray Guy's way of thinking. And, he's really not thinking clearly as soon as a pretty woman comes into the picture. (His sudden interest in the bookstore is another good example of that. I turned down Ashe, and the next morning he'll remark she'd make a good friend. Except they move in different circles and she's dumb as a rock. She'd make good arm-candy, that's about it.)

In my opinion, Ashe is fun if you play her in a certain way. Cant seduce and fuck her, cant be violent with her. You have to corrupt her, meaning you have to blackmail her into sex and on the second forced date, tell her what people really think of her. Once her real attitude comes out, she's quite the fun little firecracker

 

[Simpgor]

That you know of. You have to remember, just because people act a certain way on this site and take the dark path, they realize RL is a different. You could be a billionaire, that doesn't mean we'd be free to do as we please. Money can't fix everything.

I know for sure that nobody with thousands of posts on a porn piracy forum who are typing out paragraphs for a game about a very rich philanthropist are in fact a billionaire themselves.....

Yeah this game looks good and has good attention to detail but it doesn't compete with real life. Not to mention a real Guy wouldnt need to worry about pesky things like "a taboo patch" to do heinous stuff

. Except they move in different circles and she's dumb as a rock. She'd make good arm-candy, that's about it.)

Ignoring LI what circles does Guy move in

 

[hoshimota]

The people defending Nikki are fucking wild. Dude she made like just one bad decision after another.

She meets a completely trashy self-involved douche bag piece of shit loser (Brent), and decides to spread her legs for him. She continues to stay with him despite him constantly pulling idiotic shit, and generally behaving like a low class asshole (including, notably, the way he is constantly rude to the MC who is supposed to be her 'best friend' right?)

Then she goes to MC to ask for money to bail out this douche nozzle boyfriend of hers, then cheats on him (Brent) with the MC, and by the way doesn't use a condom, nothing LMAO - then goes back to the motherfucker and basically ghosts the MC.

Then she continues to tolerate him being a POS, he gets her in REAL trouble, she bails, winds up with some OTHER SKETCHY MFer and goes down this rabbit hole of taking nudes, allowing herself to be covered in tattoos she doesn't even want, etc... like literally she was probably one step away from him making a skin suit out of her flesh. She LUCKED THE FUCK OUT when he ditched her.

Then she meets up with another sketchy MFer who she has repeatedly acknowledged she knows is a sketchy MFer with bad intentions for her, and WILLINGLY SHOWS UP to shoot more sketchy adult content for him, and then makes the surprise pikachu face when she gets there and the sketchy ass loan shark scumbag, who again, she knows has bad intentions for her, tries to force her to short hardcore porn instead of just taking solo photos. (Honestly she is lucky he didn't just straight up gangbang her with his buddies and film that.)

Holy fucking shit people AT WHAT POINT do you treat this woman, who is not a fucking child, like an ADULT, and start expecting her to be accountable for her own terrible decisions?

What do you call a person who makes nonstop terrible decisions? Oh maybe... I dunno... a terrible person?

 

[Simpgor]

, then cheats on him (Brent) with the MC

Should we tell him or let him tire himself out?

 

[Maviarab]

In my opinion, Ashe is fun if you play her in a certain way. Cant seduce and fuck her, cant be violent with her. You have to corrupt her, meaning you have to blackmail her into sex and on the second forced date, tell her what people really think of her. Once her real attitude comes out, she's quite the fun little firecracker

Ash is by far the best character...and this is by far the best route in the game. I love the humiliation/corruption route for Ashe.

 

[Simpgor]

Ash is by far the best character...and this is by far the best route in the game. I love the humiliation/corruption route for Ashe.

Just wait until Cassie overhears Guy and Ashe roleplaying

 

[Dark Silence]

Ash is by far the best character...and this is by far the best route in the game. I love the humiliation/corruption route for Ashe.

Look at my sig, THAT girl is the best character, right there with Mason. They're both young and trainable.

 

[Dessolos]

The people defending Nikki are fucking wild. Dude she made like just one bad decision after another.

She meets a completely trashy self-involved douche bag piece of shit loser (Brent), and decides to spread her legs for him. She continues to stay with him despite him constantly pulling idiotic shit, and generally behaving like a low class asshole (including, notably, the way he is constantly rude to the MC who is supposed to be her 'best friend' right?)

Then she goes to MC to ask for money to bail out this douche nozzle boyfriend of hers, then cheats on him (Brent) with the MC, and by the way doesn't use a condom, nothing LMAO - then goes back to the motherfucker and basically ghosts the MC.

Then she continues to tolerate him being a POS, he gets her in REAL trouble, she bails, winds up with some OTHER SKETCHY MFer and goes down this rabbit hole of taking nudes, allowing herself to be covered in tattoos she doesn't even want, etc... like literally she was probably one step away from him making a skin suit out of her flesh. She LUCKED THE FUCK OUT when he ditched her.

Then she meets up with another sketchy MFer who she has repeatedly acknowledged she knows is a sketchy MFer with bad intentions for her, and WILLINGLY SHOWS UP to shoot more sketchy adult content for him, and then makes the surprise pikachu face when she gets there and the sketchy ass loan shark scumbag, who again, she knows has bad intentions for her, tries to force her to short hardcore porn instead of just taking solo photos. (Honestly she is lucky he didn't just straight up gangbang her with his buddies and film that.)

Holy fucking shit people AT WHAT POINT do you treat this woman, who is not a fucking child, like an ADULT, and start expecting her to be accountable for her own terrible decisions?

What do you call a person who makes nonstop terrible decisions? Oh maybe... I dunno... a terrible person?

eh I wouldn't go as far as to say she is a terrible person but that is just a matter of personal opinion. Now yeah I agree there is no defending her mistakes that is true. But for me it's about how sympathetic and understanding I am of her. That and well she felt genuine in her explanation so I trust her. That is part of the reason she is my favorite character and in my top 10 LI list also I do have a thing for LI that has some kind of trauma or going through some shit as it makes me want to be there for them and help them no matter what, as long as I feel like I can trust them. But that speaks more about my personality cause i'm too nice of a person without a backbone really and i'm very forgiving and understanding and don't have it in me to really say no or say you are on your own unless it's a complete stranger. ( tho id probably having hard time saying no to a stranger if it was pretty girl in certain circumstances as well depending on the context)

 

[Quetzzz]

In my opinion, Ashe is fun if you play her in a certain way. Cant seduce and fuck her, cant be violent with her. You have to corrupt her, meaning you have to blackmail her into sex and on the second forced date, tell her what people really think of her. Once her real attitude comes out, she's quite the fun little firecracker

I'll give that a go in my next playthrough.

I know for sure that nobody with thousands of posts on a porn piracy forum who are typing out paragraphs for a game about a very rich philanthropist are in fact a billionaire themselves.....

Keep in mind that Guy is only a millionaire.

Ignoring LI what circles does Guy move in

The one of a philanthropist who has an image to protect. As soon as she opens her mouth, she'd embarrass him.

Should we tell him or let him tire himself out?

Are you referencing the dead bedroom? Because regardless of that, he isn't wrong, they were still in a relationship, and she cheated on Brent with Guy (at least if you pick the top option).

Ash is by far the best character...and this is by far the best route in the game. I love the humiliation/corruption route for Ashe.

I'll give her a try on my next playthrough. I probably closed her path already by not inviting her to the condo.

 

[Quetzzz]

I wouldn't go as far as to say she is a terrible person

Someone can be a good person and still be a walking disaster. That she made bad choices doesn't make her malicious, but it also makes me not wanting to have her around.

I do have a thing for LI that has some kind of trauma or going through some shit as it makes me want to be there for them and help them no matter what

This appeals to me as well, but I'm so tired of the authors sugarcoating things. It's never really her mistake, LIs need to remain pure. Same with Nicki, Brent dug the hole they were in, and everything else happened to her out of desperation. I'd love, for once, to see an LI who actually made bad choices and owns up to them. Like in University of Problems, its writer had such an opportunity with Carol. She could've prostituted herself and risen in the ranks, now regretting it. But no, she was blackmailed and put in her position as a figurehead.

Edit: Just played through the good/kindness path, and I'm pleasantly surprised with how Nicki does take ownership of her mistakes. She says she knew what Brent was like, but still went back anyway, and that she needed to fix her mistakes herself. Good girl.

 

[Simpgor]

Keep in mind that Guy is only a millionaire.


The one of a philanthropist who has an image to protect. As soon as she opens her mouth, she'd embarrass him.


Are you referencing the dead bedroom? Because regardless of that, he isn't wrong, they were still in a relationship, and she cheated on Brent with Guy (at least if you pick the top option).

1. Ah my mistake. Plesse replace Bill with Mill and nothing else changes.

2. A philanthropist with "ditzy" "arm candy" is not uncommon? Even batman (bruce wayne) uses ditzy arm candy and nobody bats an eye. Who do you think a philanthropist should have in their circle? And how often do you think that is done irl much less in fiction?

Edit: wait don't they meet at a specifically philanthropic event? Ashe didn't look out of place there iirc?

3. Critiquing a character for a choice the player has to make does not help their criticism at all and imo hurts it. I would call them out if they said "ashe is stupid for not thinking that Guy on the good path would drug her with allergy pills he found in someone else's bathroom"

 

[Quetzzz]

A philanthropist with "ditzy" "arm candy" is not uncommon? Even batman (bruce wayne) uses ditzy arm candy and nobody bats an eye. Who do you think a philanthropist should have in their circle? And how often do you think that is done irl much less in fiction?

The fact that the term "arm candy" exists proves otherwise. It's derogatory in a way, and has a negative connotation for both the woman and the man. Keep in mind that Bruce Wayne uses arm candy for a purpose. He can't be in a relationship with a normie without blowing his cover. That he has different arm candy at different events makes people regard him as a playboy. It's the image he wants. Guy doesn't necessarily want this image. (It would attract gold diggers, and regardless of the path, Guy only wants to give money to those in need.)

Critiquing a character for a choice the player has to make does not help their criticism at all and imo hurts it. I would call them out if they said "ashe is stupid for not thinking that Guy on the good path would drug her with allergy pills he found in someone else's bathroom"

If this is about what I said, I specifically said it wasn't a critique, just my first thoughts and remarks while playing... My reasons for not having Guy invite Ashe to the condo, or why I (as the player) aren't interested in a friendship with her. I don't think Guy has use for her (dark path) in the long term. Guy needs companionship, someone who can hold her own, like Madison. He feels lonely and isolated.

Edit:

wait don't they meet at a specifically philanthropic event? Ashe didn't look out of place there iirc?

Yeah, the event was to gather money for the museum where Ashe works. In that context, she wouldn't be out of place because she could discuss the art, like she does when she gives a tour.

 

[Simpgor]

The fact that the term "arm candy" exists proves otherwise. It's derogatory in a way, and has a negative connotation for both the woman and the man. Keep in mind that Bruce Wayne uses arm candy for a purpose. He can't be in a relationship with a normie without blowing his cover. That he has different arm candy at different events makes people regard him as a playboy. It's the image he wants. Guy doesn't necessarily want this image. (It would attract gold diggers, and regardless of the path, Guy only wants to give money to those in need.)


If this is about what I said, I specifically said it wasn't a critique, just my first thoughts and remarks while playing... My reasons for not having Guy invite Ashe to the condo, or why I (as the player) aren't interested in a friendship with her. I don't think Guy has use for her (dark path) in the long term. Guy needs companionship, someone who can hold her own, like Madison. He feels lonely and isolated.

The second part (the critique) is about the other guy who based a large portion of their post on the idea that Nicki and Guy have to fuck and how it's all part of Nickis plan. You not inviting ashe over is perfectly valid, if you were to base stuff (about her character) on the fact that you didn't invite her over that would be a bad critique. Sorry for not being more clear about who was doing a poor critique.

I don't think ashe is "arm candy" thus the quotes but even if I did it would be with heavy qualifiers. Does ashe get finance? No (Guy pays people for that) Does Ashe get the management side of philanthropy? No (Guy had to start paying people for that). Does Ashe get art? Yeah enough to have a job at a museum (Guy couldn't reach that "high" without getting plot device money )

I don't see how she's any "less" than Guy personally, we see several times that Guy is just as "ditzy" with things like the cutting edge technology that is "live streaming". Almost like people have different interests/knowledge.

 

[Quetzzz]

I don't see how she's any "less" than Guy personally, we see several times that Guy is just as "ditzy" with things like the cutting edge technology that is "live streaming". Almost like people have different interests/knowledge.

Oh absolutely. The way Guy handles money will make him go broke in no-time. Even with 22 million in the bank. Those 250k the museum raised is nothing, realistically he'd need the same amount of money to renovate the bookstore.
If Guy wants to keep his charity going, he'll need an influx of money. That's what he should (in the real world) use these events for, to connect with other rich people and network. His ideal partner would be a social butterfly who can strike up a conversation with anyone, and (by proxy) gives them a good impression about Guy. After all, the quality of a woman reflects onto the man she's dating.

 

[Ottoeight]

As usual, the most "extreme" players are the most vocal.

I see this pattern in almost every game thread.