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Fun Fact: Back when I thought I'd have enough time to continue doing short one-off games ala The Student Loan, I did a poll to see what I should do next, with four options. The winner was Orc Exchange, which would take place in a fantasy world where humans and orcs have been at peace for some thirty years, and both cultures are trying to build diplomatic ties. As part of these attempts, the player (a human) would host an orc girl at his home. I envisioned a game where the player could be benevolent, or a bit of a dick. Over time, these new relations between the orcs and humans would begin to deteriorate, with war looming on the horizon. At this point, the player would have the choice to protect his charge, or give in to the populist urge to demonize someone different.

I still think it'd be a fun idea, but I think I'd want to approach the gameplay mechanics a little differently than a straightforward Renpy visual novel. Recently I was kicking the idea around again, and started to think it'd be fun to do it as an isekai story, where Brent gets hit by a truck or something, only to wake up in this fantasy world that he doesn't understand, and is ill-prepared for.

All that said, I also posted about an idea I have for a game featuring Blizzy as the title character, which would basically allow the player to act selfless or selfish, as Blizzy tried to rebuild his reputation after he's cancelled, following a lapse in judgment.

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i'm all for the isekai story idea not I dont see enough of those in AVN's and that's like 1/2 of the anime I watch lol.
 
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I want Mason to ride on Guy's cock while Guy makes out with him and then Guy busts inside his ass as he calls him his little cream loving butt slut and pats him on the head that would be so hot. Then Guy and Mason snuggle afterwards
 
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Fun Fact: Back when I thought I'd have enough time to continue doing short one-off games ala The Student Loan, I did a poll to see what I should do next, with four options. The winner was Orc Exchange, which would take place in a fantasy world where humans and orcs have been at peace for some thirty years, and both cultures are trying to build diplomatic ties. As part of these attempts, the player (a human) would host an orc girl at his home. I envisioned a game where the player could be benevolent, or a bit of a dick. Over time, these new relations between the orcs and humans would begin to deteriorate, with war looming on the horizon. At this point, the player would have the choice to protect his charge, or give in to the populist urge to demonize someone different.

I still think it'd be a fun idea, but I think I'd want to approach the gameplay mechanics a little differently than a straightforward Renpy visual novel. Recently I was kicking the idea around again, and started to think it'd be fun to do it as an isekai story, where Brent gets hit by a truck or something, only to wake up in this fantasy world that he doesn't understand, and is ill-prepared for.

All that said, I also posted about an idea I have for a game featuring Blizzy as the title character, which would basically allow the player to act selfless or selfish, as Blizzy tried to rebuild his reputation after he's cancelled, following a lapse in judgment.

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Dude that orc idea sounds really good. I would definitely play a game with that storyline. And if anyone questioned the love between me and a beautiful orc woman, I would tell them to eat a dick.
 

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Okay, so this is probably a long shot, and it might be a niche request, but has anyone made a mod to, I guess soften, Gabby's route? Because wow, the fact that you have to pin her down while she's protesting in order to start her romance route does NOT sit right. And that's not even touching the whole "daddy" thing. Super uncomfortable and super out of character for a good guy path. Isn't the age gap already enough?
 
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Okay, so this is probably a long shot, since it seems to be a niche request, but has anyone made a mod to, I guess soften, Gabby's route? Because wow, the fact that you have to pin her down while she's protesting in order to start her romance route does NOT sit right. And that's not even touching the whole "daddy" thing. Super uncomfortable and super out of character for a good guy path. Isn't the age gap already enough?
I don't like that either she's clearly saying no I don't want to have sex with you right now because my mom could walk in on us, but it's the only way you can be anything but friends with her.
 

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Okay, so this is probably a long shot, since it seems to be a niche request, but has anyone made a mod to, I guess soften, Gabby's route? Because wow, the fact that you have to pin her down while she's protesting in order to start her romance route does NOT sit right. And that's not even touching the whole "daddy" thing. Super uncomfortable and super out of character for a good guy path. Isn't the age gap already enough?
I don't like that either she's clearly saying no I don't want to have sex with you right now because my mom could walk in on us, but it's the only way you can be anything but friends with her.
While im not into Gabby as a love Interest it's similar to why I won't check out Mason's path either or seem the BJ scene. As I feel like id be taking advantage of the situation. Had no idea that's how Gabby's path played out since I have even less interest in Gabby's path than Mason's ive never seen this scene either. I always assumed her path hasn't started much at all yet not until the next update anyhow.
 

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Okay, so this is probably a long shot, since it seems to be a niche request, but has anyone made a mod to, I guess soften, Gabby's route? Because wow, the fact that you have to pin her down while she's protesting in order to start her romance route does NOT sit right. And that's not even touching the whole "daddy" thing. Super uncomfortable and super out of character for a good guy path. Isn't the age gap already enough?
My understanding of how this game works: there are going to be multiple ways onto the various girls romance paths, or even their corruption/dark paths, as the game progresses (I'm assuming until a critical point in the game where every relationship is basically established and a new stage of the game begins?). If one path rubs you the wrong way, you can be nice and remain on their friend path until a more agreeable 'on-ramp' makes its appearance :)

So, for example, with Ashe, you can get onto her romance path in Guy's apartment very early on right after you meet her. Or you can find your way on her romance path on the date (or I guess it's just a friendly meet-up on the friend path). Someone correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't tried any of the friend paths yet.

But a number of people agree with you, and also feel the same way about Brit & Mason. Neon's basically confirmed we'll have more opportunities to get on their paths in a less questionable way.

Fun Fact: Back when I thought I'd have enough time to continue doing short one-off games ala The Student Loan, I did a poll to see what I should do next, with four options. The winner was Orc Exchange, which would take place in a fantasy world where humans and orcs have been at peace for some thirty years, and both cultures are trying to build diplomatic ties. As part of these attempts, the player (a human) would host an orc girl at his home. I envisioned a game where the player could be benevolent, or a bit of a dick. Over time, these new relations between the orcs and humans would begin to deteriorate, with war looming on the horizon. At this point, the player would have the choice to protect his charge, or give in to the populist urge to demonize someone different.

I still think it'd be a fun idea, but I think I'd want to approach the gameplay mechanics a little differently than a straightforward Renpy visual novel. Recently I was kicking the idea around again, and started to think it'd be fun to do it as an isekai story, where Brent gets hit by a truck or something, only to wake up in this fantasy world that he doesn't understand, and is ill-prepared for.

All that said, I also posted about an idea I have for a game featuring Blizzy as the title character, which would basically allow the player to act selfless or selfish, as Blizzy tried to rebuild his reputation after he's cancelled, following a lapse in judgment.

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Well, I just learned what an isekai is lol :geek: But I'm up to try any of these! They sound interesting. Also, those two models next to Izzy look really, really good :love:
 

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Okay, so this is probably a long shot, and it might be a niche request, but has anyone made a mod to, I guess soften, Gabby's route? Because wow, the fact that you have to pin her down while she's protesting in order to start her romance route does NOT sit right. And that's not even touching the whole "daddy" thing. Super uncomfortable and super out of character for a good guy path. Isn't the age gap already enough?
1. You don't have to.
2. Get over it.
 

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Do you guys think if I wear a disguise and a fake mustache I could get Risa to take me to her room again and have sex again without having to worrying about her dad. I'll even bring a ball gag so she cant make any noises.
 
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I just so want to marry Mason our honeymoon would be so romantic. Nicki & Risa could come with us and put on a hot lesbian show for Mason and I.

Imagine making love to a beautiful soul while we watch two beautiful women have sex. Talk about heaven.
 
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I just so want to marry Mason our honeymoon would be so romantic. Nicki & Risa could come with us and put on a hot lesbian show for Mason and I.

Imagine making love to a beautiful soul while we watch two beautiful women have sex. Talk about heaven.
But its doubtful that mason would get pregnant by another guy though. not a turnoff?
 
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Okay, so this is probably a long shot, and it might be a niche request, but has anyone made a mod to, I guess soften, Gabby's route? Because wow, the fact that you have to pin her down while she's protesting in order to start her romance route does NOT sit right. And that's not even touching the whole "daddy" thing. Super uncomfortable and super out of character for a good guy path. Isn't the age gap already enough?
I should really make an FAQ post at some point, because I think I've talked about this a few times now. :'D There's a lot of weirdness in the first three chapters. I don't think I really hit my stride until Chapter 4, where you have Britt's photoshoot. Around that time I started to nail down the balance between the different Guy personalities, my camera choices became more consistent, and I started backing off the heavy-handed narration, to let the art speak for itself. And more importantly, I started to tag way more decisions with variables, so I could call back to decisions more easily.

I also was trying to figure out how to write a choice-based VN. Initially I set it up so that the onus to initiate sex is more on the player. That's why you ask Ashe to stay when she says she should probably go, and initiate with Gabby as the night is winding down. Otherwise, you part as friends. But, when people said they felt like they were still forcing/pressuring Ashe and Gabby into sex, I adjusted following characters' paths to make them initiate, and give you the option to break off/push away. Still, some people see that as coercive, just due to the circumstances the various love interests find themselves in, when they make the offer.

The long and short of it is, there's a lot of stuff I'd like to touch up in the first three chapters. The first is being completely overhauled, while the second and third will be largely left alone for now. But, longterm plans are to basically add more options/variables.
  • Make the kiss with Gabby "count" on the love path, instead of basically being a non-issue. Right now you do it and quickly brush past it with a, "Well, I was drunk, that didn't mean anything.." because I didn't tag it.
  • Make the corruption path with Gabby have a less aggressive entry point. Right now the dark path and the corruption path both begin the same way, and I think it'd be nice to have something more like Viola's corruption scene to begin Gabby's possible sugarbaby path.
  • Likewise, I want to give players the chance to play Ashe's corruption path in a way that's less asshole-ish. It'll still result in her having disdain for you, but it'll be a little easier to get onto her "good" corruption path, following your date with her.
  • I'd also like to inject a little bit more optional aggression into Gabby's love path, setting up the ability to get onto a love-corruption path, which kind of aligns with the scene where you gaslight her at the clothing boutique.
  • Aaaaand just generally touching up little dialogue quirks, etc. I was initially writing Guy, even on the benevolent paths, as being.. A little maladjusted? I saw him as reeling from Nicki's departure, and using alcohol, sex, and his suddenly awesome life as a way to cope. Which meant being confident/assertive to the point of being kind of pushy and over-eager. Once Nicki turns back up, Guy starts to relax a little, and seems to better appreciate his new responsibilities. I don't know if that really works/comes across/fits Guy as he's been written since.
But also, if your points with Gabby are high enough, and you try to leave upon realizing you're being pushy, she stops you and calls you back to the couch. So, there is a nicer entry point to that scene, where she takes more control.

And a lot of people might wonder why I didn't just change some of this stuff along the way. The main reason is that I did the chapter variables in kind of a dumb way. Rather than put them all before the game start, I put them in the beginning of each chapter. Which means fucking with them now, will lead to some game-breaking bullshit. Another reason to redo Chapter One, is to force everyone to restart their game, with the new variable system in place.

Finally, as to the whole 'daddy' thing, and the generally discomfiting nature of the player's relationship with Gabby.. A lot of that's sort of baked into the premise, intentionally. Like, Gabby is 18. She's smitten with this guy who is (in my mind) double her age. That is nnnnnot a healthy starting point for a relationship, and it's loaded with all kinds of implicit power imbalances.

The lingering question of Guy and Gabby's romantic relationship is whether or not it can actually work. Even compared to some of the other characters in her in-game peer group (Viola, Pepper, kinda Mason) she comes across as younger. And I think that's due to physical traits (big eyes, pink hair) and how much of her family dynamic we see in detail. But, part of it is also just her general vibe. She lives at home, and doesn't work a proper job. She seems to have less agency than Viola, who supports her mom, or Pepper, who supports herself.

So, a big part of her journey is learning how to assert herself, and be taken more seriously.
 

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Like, Gabby is 18. She's smitten with this guy who is (in my mind) double her age. That is nnnnnot a healthy starting point for a relationship, and it's loaded with all kinds of implicit power imbalances.
And why isn't it? Be careful making assumptions there....only bad because you think it's bad...she a legal adult...she can do as she pleases. Don't infantilise young, legal adult women please.

I could date a 30 year old woman....20+ years younger than me....there would, most likely, still be a huge power inbalance because of my personal circumstances/finances. Age really makes no difference when it comes to either grooming or power imbalances.
 
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And why isn't it? Be careful making assumptions there....only bad because you think it's bad...she a legal adult...she can do as she pleases. Don't infantacise young, legal adult women please.
Well, in theory, an 18-year-old girl should be studying with hardly any income of her own, while a 30-year-old person should already be more stable. Furthermore, a person of 18 can be more manipulable than a person of 30. Being 18 does not make you a mature adult as many believe, many people of that age are still very immature and dependent on their parents. so I do see a power imbalance.
 
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