Indeed. That's the problem with the new Nicki. She's a stereotypical character, a flawless Mary Sue. She's one-dimensional and without edges. She presents no conflicts. And she's not interesting as a character. She's downright boring. Will her conflicts and edges be presented later? Maybe. But right now she's a very weak character.
I think calling him a loser is a bit of a stretch tbh. College Guy fell for a crypto scam while being drunk, this is happening right now to thousands of sober young and not so young folks. After losing all his money he got a work and tried to live his life the best way he can.
That's your opinon but I think it's obvious that for other players Nicki rewrite changed her big time.
Eh, it goes a bit farther than him making a one time drunken mistake now. We see that the MC bought into Kobalt's cult of personality pretty hard, to the point he's still bitter about the guy ten years later. That suggests he had been following Kobalt for some time before that decision, which calls his overall judgement into question.
The attempt was pretty unsuccessful in my eyes. I mean, I get why the MC was too scared to ask her out himself, that part makes sense. But why on earth would he ever encourage her to date Brent? The new Brent is a pretty insufferable asshat from the instant you meet him, so the MC's assertion that he "seems.. fun" seems extremely dubious.
I am willing to concede the MC could in theory fritter it away frivolous toys... but come on New Scams?.
and gives such a better backstory to both of them, plus some other characters pop up too that we only see later in the gameOkay, I finished the update and it was such a great experience. Talk about another cherished FiN memory to add to my collection.
The writing is definitely as good as always, and Nicki feels more alive than ever before. She and Guy have such great banter.
Thank you for all your hard work Neon I loved it
Tell me about it. This whole scene was so beautiful, and I'll think of it if I ever get sad because it'll make me feel better
Err, did you perhaps intend to quote someone else's post? Because this has literally nothing to do with anything i wrote. I never even mentioned the dark path..? (at that point, that is) I was only talking about whether update did anything to change portrayal of Nicki.
Err, you said yourself that the game portrays Guy going from "kind of a loser to a pillar of community". Kind of a loser is still a loser.
Is a large part of it, and this is loser's attitude. "I fell over once when walking, so i'll spend the rest of my life never walking because, imagine it, i could fall over again".
I'm not a smart guy and I don't think I could come up with a good reason for him doing this, but I agree with Moore. It would have felt wrong for him to do it the other way. Sometimes you just have to feel your way through this stuff.
Yes, I said he's kind of a loser but you can fall way more than Guy's did. In any case my point was mere semantic.Err, did you perhaps intend to quote someone else's post? Because this has literally nothing to do with anything i wrote. I never even mentioned the dark path..? (at that point, that is) I was only talking about whether update did anything to change portrayal of Nicki.
Err, you said yourself that the game portrays Guy going from "kind of a loser to a pillar of community". Kind of a loser is still a loser.
Anyway, i've mentioned it before but when i say it, i don't mean the crypto scam specifically. That can happen to anyone. It's the decade which followed that we get a slice of -- apparently spent on little else than feeling worthless, never trying to do anything beyond clinging to a menial job, always keeping your head down, not developing any social contacts beyond ones you're forced to interact with at work, not achieving anything until a miraculous stroke of luck (which was all someone else's doing) delivered insane wealth in one's lap, not even self-reflecting on one's own actions ("i'm gonna ghost my only friend because i fear my new money could change the friendship between us". Yeah, like ghosting her for a month isn't already fundamentally changing the nature of your friendship, you dumbass) ... the list goes on and honestly, calling this package a loser isn't a stretch, but being still pretty kind on him. What you said:
Is a large part of it, and this is loser's attitude. "I fell over once when walking, so i'll spend the rest of my life never walking because, imagine it, i could fall over again".
Funnily, it's Guy's interaction with his newly hired lawyer that was sort of the last straw -- i mean, all things considered you'd kind of expect to have some options/reactions at that point. The "Light Side" Guy would maybe try to question at least a little all that nihilism he's being served; and the Dark Guy might appreciate the cynicism, but if he's supposed to be to be a misogynist incel creep, then perhaps with his new wealth he'd push back on getting so clearly patronized by his new female employee. But no. Regardless of his supposed nature, the only thing Guy can do there is to dutifully nod his little head without even any thought. I doubt it was intended, but it's like an end-bracket on his whole loser arc -- "man, just look at you; you're 10 years older and in all that time you've learnt nothing. You can still only buy wholesale and swallow whatever bullshit you're fed by a charismatic asshole."
Again, i don't think it was intended this way. But the lack of intent didn't change the unfavorable impression it made.
Hmm i was under impression that the things he talks about during Ashe's date were his new experiences during the training montage between Chapters 1 and 2?
Like I said, I haven't played the new chp 1 yet, so my impression is probably off (I'm very confident I will like it, though.) But, basically, he gets duped by crypto scam -> loses all his money -> it crushes his soul for many years, informs his entire perspective on life and himself, aka he loses his mojo -> oh shit, turns out he's fucking lucky and got all his money back plus way, way, way more -> he regains his mojo again and now he feels like the sky is the limit, and it informs the rest of the game going forward.
What about Viola? Don't most people in this thread love Viola? And she's by far the most flawless, innocent character so far... nothing wrong really with that type of character, especially in a VN. In fact, people will bitch and moan left and right if a LI isn't a perfect angel, and apparently people will bitch and moan about the opposite, too. Ay ay ay, devs just can't win
I think Neon is agreeing with Moore, not criticizing him. A lot of writing comes from the heart and the gut and is based on feelings, not the brain and logical reasoning. Obviously, you need a certain amount of the latter to make an engrossing, believable story and characters, and it also depends on what kind of story you're writing, but... I don't think most writers are panicking to make every tiny little thing fit into some perfectly logical overarching system, or a 1:1 with reality, or to even make sense fully; I think that's an endless task that would quickly drain all the fun away from the endeavor, especially if it makes the story/characters less cool or compelling in the end.
