VN Ren'Py Friends in Need [S1 v0.85c] [NeonGhosts]

[ffive]

Just updated this for the first time in awhile - do old saves no longer work...?

The author has reworked early chapters of the game and made some adjustments to the later parts, plus it currently ends a bit earlier than the original iteration did. tl;dr you'll need to start a new play through.

 

[horofan]

I wonder why? Personally, I've never once, ever, been asked if I support an illegal activity...

Seriously?

There are many countries where it is legal -

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[Maviarab]

There are many countries where it is legal -

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Once again, legal with restrictions and dependant on situation.

 

[Lightaces]

The classic move here would be to establish that Cassie and Guy aren't biologically related, like having one of them be adopted or something, so there's still a bit of the naughty tension caused by them being raised as siblings without the actual fact of them being genetically related. That's a bit cliche, though, so Neon probably isn't going to go that way. Although he has used cliches in his writing before. They're not necessarily bad, they just need to be handled carefully so there's something interesting about them.

We don't know a lot about Cassie at this point at all, so she can have whatever kind of personality as long as it stretches to fit things that have already shown up in the story. There are certainly people in this world who would be okay fucking their brothers voluntarily. It's something that has really happened! It's definitely not normal, but we already have a pretty clear collection of abnormal characters in here, at least some of which is because people who fall outside the mainstream are more likely to get into the kind of trouble that a super rich guy can solve for them.

In the season 2 previews, we have learned a LOT about Cassie. I won't spoil it, but yeah, the idea of her being OK with fucking her brother stretches plausibility. I mean, she has the disregard for convention, but just doesn't seem to swing that way AT ALL.

 

[Lightaces]

Just updated this for the first time in awhile - do old saves no longer work...?

I previously had 0.7.2 of the SubscribeStar version. Just updated to 0.85 and loading my save gives me an error and the game crashes?

Old saves don't work - the code was completely rewritten, and the current version is not quite caught up to were you left off. On the other hand, there is also a completely new (and much improved) Chapter 1 and part of Chapter 2, plus a bunch of other little improvements and clean ups to the story. It's worth starting over.

 

[Lightaces]

I wonder why? Personally, I've never once, ever, been asked if I support an illegal activity...

Seriously?

You've never seen a poll on, say, should pot be legalized? Polls ask about illegal stuff all the time.

 

[Joshy92]

In the season 2 previews, we have learned a LOT about Cassie. I won't spoil it, but yeah, the idea of her being OK with fucking her brother stretches plausibility. I mean, she has the disregard for convention, but just doesn't seem to swing that way AT ALL.

Plausibly is already stretched when there is only one good guy in the whole town. Or that every woman somehow never has sex with any other men.

 

[Lightaces]

Plausibly is already stretched when there is only one good guy in the whole town. Or that every woman somehow never has sex with any other men.

I mean, at the very least Nicki, Gabby, Brittani, and Carolina have all had sex with other men who we meet in game. With Gabby and Brittani, you can actually see it in game. Risa had a husband or at least a fiance she had been with, and it has been at least implicitly discussed in game. And Ashe, on at least one path, has discussed other men wanting to use her for her body, so given how easily she acquiesced to Guy's demand of her, I'm pretty sure she has been fucked by other men. Mason and Dash are, of course, prostitutes. Madison has a husband, so she's out. Alex used to be married. No idea about Wren, but she's probably out as a LI. So, all that's left are Cassie, who shows every sign of being a Gold Star lesbian, and Viola, who is actually an innocent virgin in universe (well, unless Guy was in a mood in the changing room!) And your favorite Isabella has a daughter! Honestly, for an AVN, this game has an awful lot of sexually experienced women.

And the guy who runs the magazine stand seemed like a very nice guy, who Kelsey was trying to set up with her mother.

 

[Ayhsel]

this game has an awful lot of sexually experienced women!

Women with sexual experience before we get to their lives?

 

[Lightaces]

Women with sexual experience before we get to their lives?

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Almost every one. NTR run rampant, I tell ya!

 

[PHIL101-YYouPPHard]

Na what, the step siblings stuff is way too overused. And authors only do it because they are too much of a pussy to actually make them blood related. It's just a cop out way of trying to add that "oh no we are siblings, but we aren't" kind of thing. The most interesting part about a taboo relationship isn't the taboo itself, but people's reactions to it, the feelings of disgust they feel and trying to hide that from people. It's that game of cat and mouse that makes it ideal, and frankly a non blood related relationship ain't taboo.

Maybe sometimes that's the reason, but believe it or not, some people prefer 'incest-lite' as opposed to full incest. The incest scene with Ashe was really sexy, and that wasn't incest. (well.. they're talking about MC's sister, so it sorta is, but Ashe and Guy aren't related)

To step-siblings, they feel just as related as blood-siblings, and just as grossed out about it (look up Westermarck effect). So, story-wise, it makes just as much sense. Maybe to the player, it doesn't feel as taboo, but it really is.

And, ok, if you told strangers that you're dating your step-sister, they wouldn't be as freaked out as compared to your real sister, but they'd still give you a weird ass look, because it's weird. You grew up with that person and were treated by your parents and your teachers like siblings, you treated each other like siblings. And then you date her!? What is wrong with you!? That would be what they were thinking.

I'm not trying to be rude, but I feel like some of you are kind of out-of-touch with how the average person feels about these things in general, because you're used to talking with other perverts on these forums.

Plausibly is already stretched when there is only one good guy in the whole town. Or that every woman somehow never has sex with any other men.

There's definitely more than one good guy in town, but obviously they aren't the protagonist. And I'd say that all of the LIs have sexual experience except maybe Viola?

 

[PHIL101-YYouPPHard]

Oh, and, back onto Cassie; so, I was a little curious and did a little 'research' (emphasis on little: I very carefully asked an AI... lol). If anyone else is curious too, it seems like incestuous attraction boils down to a few potential triggers, assuming the AI was on the right track:
1) Isolation - Emotional & social isolation; so the MC would become the main source of unmet needs. (Cassie sounds like the opposite here)

2) During development: role confusion, unmet needs, or inconsistent boundaries - So, if both Cassie and Guy had unmet needs from their parents, Guy would've had to become a surrogate parent to Cassie, and possibly other things as well, like a friend. This can potentially cause 'role confusion' for both Guy and Cassie, which could lead to blurred boundaries. I think here it would just be role confusion between parental figure and sibling, though, not romantic partner.

Also possible that the father was sort of involved in the family, maybe especially when Guy left. If that's the case, the father could've created role confusion for Cassie as well, and that might bleed into how she perceives men in her family, like Guy? I don't know, I'm no expert, so I'm not gonna pretend like I fully understand how it's supposed to work, because I definitely don't.

3) Personality & attachment style - Borderline and narcissism are associated with poor boundary control and dependency, and insecure attachment style may predispose someone to unusual relationship dynamics. So, maybe these are factors for Cassie?

4) Genetic Sexual Attraction - If Cassie didn't grow up with Guy for long enough, it's possible she never developed the 'westermarck effect' (biological/psychological repulsion) towards Guy. So, maybe she associates him with a caretaker that met her emotional needs, yet not as sexually repulsive because he wasn't around long enough?

5) Disregulation of sexual identity/self-schema & history of sexual abuse - So, if Cassie was sexually abused when she was younger, especially by a family member, then her boundaries and sexual identity could be warped.

That's all I got. Not much, and I feel pretty weird focusing this much on the theory of incestuous attraction. But, it was morbidly interesting!