Khuntai

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Why would she need to be likeable? She is perfect as she is. Beautiful, hot, abusive, narcissist, HOT, misandrist, HOTTT!!!
Agreed. The lions share of her content should be focused around various forms of sexual abuse. After all her favorite pastime is taking out her anger on every male unlucky enough to pass her on the street. Every other interaction with her should be a minefield where you can easily be bad ended by picking a couple wrong choices, with one redemption path where you melt her heart that makes all the reloading worth it.
 

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Why would she need to be likeable? She is perfect as she is. Beautiful, hot, abusive, narcissist, HOT, misandrist, HOTTT!!!
I say this because people expected this also from Rye at his time of release, which ended up not occurring, with that in mind I do not doubt anything else. Who guarantees that this will not happen to your mother either? The question remains, always stay with low expectations so as not to be disappointed later.
 
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I will have to agree with some other posters here that that i hope they don't make her likeable. We already saw in both Rye and Wallis' routes that Renee was a crime boss who deal in drug trafficking, torture and killing.

If they are doing her route i expect/hope them to make the protagonist "fall to her level" instead of making a more conventional redemption route like with Rye or a more bittersweet one like Wallis. To make the protagonist go the criminal route and corrupt himself while they get involved with each other.
 

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There's no reason to exclude one golden route for the ones that enjoy happy endings but it should be the hardest to get by a long shot, with a strong narrative arc. With the way Renée is there's no way the MC making her do a complete 180 would be satisfying without some serious conniving, maybe even getting her daughters in on it.
 
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I agree but my thinking was instead of Renée doing a total 180 she has one route where the MC becomes truly cared for and perhaps even an equal of sorts. Maybe he joins her in running her empire. Less her changing and more a route where you can prove that you're a few cuts above the average male and potentially that the male might not be as faithless as she has come to believe.

I'm not sure it really makes sense for Renée to completely change given how much older she is than Rye and more ingrained the imperial futa lifestyle and thought process is in her. She seems to live a believe those principles more than either of her daughters. It does seem however, that she legitimately tried to make things work with twoholes before he cheated and that event cemented her current attitude towards males in general. It makes more sense to me to have a route where we can change her opinion about the MC and have her believe that he is a faithful outlier among males than she can love rather than becoming all happy go lucky. I imagine it would have to be a very long route full of bad ends since she won't cave so easily and the MC would liekly end up doing lots of fucked up shit and possibly even join her in running her drug empire to prove himself any kind of equal or even worthy of her affection let alone undying love. I'd find that more stasfying personally and I'll be jockying for it instead of a regualy happy ending.
 

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Agree. Renee is not a young woman with mommy issues like Rye or a older woman who regrets what she did in some past war like Wallis.
It stands to reason the variations of the redemption route used on Wallis and Rye would look a bit out of place with Renee, considering everything they already showed of her in previous routes.
 

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Agree. Renee is not a young woman with mommy issues like Rye or a older woman who regrets what she did in some past war like Wallis.
It stands to reason the variations of the redemption route used on Wallis and Rye would look a bit out of place with Renee, considering everything they already showed of her in previous routes.
The chink in her armor is the same as Rye's though, the only difference is she's been coping way harder for far longer. You could play it like
>brings on MC as a temporary attendant slave pet thing
>Renée is extremely sadistic and is prone to random acts of cruelty, as normal
>She notices the PC is abnormally loyal to her despite the abuse
>She puts him through a series of Demetria like trials to prove yet again that her philosophy is correct
>Have her go too far, and the plot goes off the rails as these routes tend to
>probably end up defeating a business associate of hers and foil their maniacal scheme or something
>Final heel turn, Renée goes full mask off in one last attempt to drive MC off
>it doesn't work
>she cracks

Is one way it could go anyway. I mean I get people want a straight up Stockholm syndrome arc (which it could still mostly be), but the seeds of Renee's redemption arc were already planted in her daughter's. The writing doesn't have to be exclaimed literature tier, it's a porn game.
 
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kingja89

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If we get a Renee route I wanna see a bad ending where she and Rye double team you because as skilled as our MC is taking those two beasts in one hole should kill someone:LOL:

(Generally would be interesting though to see what they do with a Renee path(y))
 

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I hope for once they dont overintellectualize it. She is a villain, let her be a villain.
we've been through the whole "maybe it just takes a very dedicated male" thing enough times now. I'm still not over how tedious the Wallis stuff ended up being. Have her be non-chalantly dominant. We don't need a 300 page diary about "why" ever again.
 

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The chink in her armor is the same as Rye's though, the only difference is she's been coping way harder for far longer. You could play it like
>brings on MC as a temporary attendant slave pet thing
>Renée is extremely sadistic and is prone to random acts of cruelty, as normal
>She notices the PC is abnormally loyal to her despite the abuse
>She puts him through a series of Demetria like trials to prove yet again that her philosophy is correct
>Have her go too far, and the plot goes off the rails as these routes tend to
>probably end up defeating a business associate of hers and foil their maniacal scheme or something
>Final heel turn, Renée goes full mask off in one last attempt to drive MC off
>it doesn't work
>she cracks

Is one way it could go anyway. I mean I get people want a straight up Stockholm syndrome arc (which it could still mostly be), but the seeds of Renee's redemption arc were already planted in her daughter's. The writing doesn't have to be exclaimed literature tier, it's a porn game.
This makes a lot of sense. I get the feeling that Renée may even consider going along with the "game" of the MC claiming he likes/loves her in a good mood or as a way to amuse herself and pose numerous challenges to prove that he's just a lying male. Even going so far as to arrange him getting caputred and raped by a colleague or business rival later on when she worries that he may be serious in order for him to prove his devotion.

The ironic twist for me remains that she did honestly try to love a male in the past and despite her vilainess-ness it just makes sense to me that she would love the right male. It can only be one route though since it feels like an all or nothing thing. Either you win the lottery and get all the love and power by grinding it out or you fail in any small way and become some level of subhuman meat, how subhuman depending on how far you made it and her mood on the day.
 

Khuntai

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This makes a lot of sense. I get the feeling that Renée may even consider going along with the "game" of the MC claiming he likes/loves her in a good mood or as a way to amuse herself and pose numerous challenges to prove that he's just a lying male. Even going so far as to arrange him getting caputred and raped by a colleague or business rival later on when she worries that he may be serious in order for him to prove his devotion.

The ironic twist for me remains that she did honestly try to love a male in the past and despite her vilainess-ness it just makes sense to me that she would love the right male. It can only be one route though since it feels like an all or nothing thing. Either you win the lottery and get all the love and power by grinding it out or you fail in any small way and become some level of subhuman meat, how subhuman depending on how far you made it and her mood on the day.
Pretty much. To get in some variation for the more hardcore subs I'd probably throw in some alternative ends where you pass all of her trials but make yourself too much of a sex object for her to respect. Like maybe there's a devotion check and a respect gauge. You fail one devotion check and that's it, instant bad end tailored to the specific scene. But you also need to keep the respect gauge high enough so that she sees you as somewhat of an equal, like she did her ex husband.
 
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I hope for once they dont overintellectualize it. She is a villain, let her be a villain.
we've been through the whole "maybe it just takes a very dedicated male" thing enough times now. I'm still not over how tedious the Wallis stuff ended up being. Have her be non-chalantly dominant. We don't need a 300 page diary about "why" ever again.
fucking thank you. i thought i was on an island in thinking the faux-serious wallis stuff was tiring and trying to seem cleverer than it actually was
 

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Why is the gallery always fully unlocked when installing a game? If you delete the save, everything opens again, I didn’t put the mod on the gallery
I dont know if you figured it out or not but I was having the same problem and so I went into the package contents. There was a gallery mod unlocker already in there, so I removed it and it has seemed to work
 

jakeb733

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Hey, I can't find the silhoutte in the last changelong:
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Not
Cuck?:
  • New silhouette at the City Center.
  • A weirdly wholesome look at a modern Imperial marriage
"
Can anyone point me to it?
 
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