What, you don't want all of your friends and family to see every time you boot up your pornography?
Yeah, nah. That's why i'll never buy any kind of porn game on steam.
Fortunately there's other options here.
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Yeah, nah. That's why i'll never buy any kind of porn game on steam.
Fortunately there's other options here.
Yeah, we'll have it on lots of sites, but to note, while we're doing our soft launch (first month or two after launch), we'll likely not be on anywhere but steam so we can update the game frequently automatically for players, vs. all other sites where people have to manually download updates themselves.
Since we'll be doing updates every other day at least, if not daily, we don't want like 30 extra versions of the game out there confusing people about which is most up to date, troubleshooting it, people missing out on content, etc.
But once we get pretty much everything in, then we'll put it out on all the other sites, and drop to about a weekly update schedule or so.
Releasing this on the last day of No Nut November is true test of a mans character.
The resubmission to Steam is on the 5th of November; the game is already playable from beginning to end, and has been for a while.
The thing that wasn't in was the endings, so on a technicality it didn't pass the first time.
Now, the endings are in, so it *should* pass.
You can't say that the game was 'playable from beginning to end' if the endings weren't in, man. That's not a technicality, that's the basic criteria.
That's why people were saying that it sounded like you submitted it intentionally expecting it to fail just so that you could say that you hadn't missed your deadline.
It feels deceptive.
I mean, true, but also note that the endings aren't something you play, either.
Hence, playable from beginning to end. (A lot of games have literally no endings either, and yet are considered playable from beginning to end.)
We did in fact say publicly multiple times that we 99% expected it to fail. We still submitted it though, not as an excuse of making a deadline, but because we wanted to get stuff cleared out of the way in terms of potential failing points when we submitted the next time. (And it definitely did reveal a few potential failing points, so it was worth it.)
So I'm not really sure I'd consider that deceptive if we've been fully up front about how we're handling it.
Plus, to us, the submission deadline was never "a deadline to not miss", as in, it's not the game being out, which is what really matters. We're still sticking to the 30th of November regarding that, no matter what is or isn't complete.
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Worded that wrong, with "playable" I meant simply playable by the general public, as in we get to play it on the 30th.
Sorry for the miscommunication.
No worries, that's my mistake for the misunderstanding; but yeah, the game will be playable by the general public on the 30th of November, 2022, as we'll be submitting on the 5th to get checked. (Assuming Steam accepts it, but at this point, I'm not sure why they wouldn't.)
That's just semantics.
You can't say it's playable from beginning to end if the end ain't there.
That's why you failed submission.
I can't think of an-
Let me rephrase that, I can't think of a single game that doesn't have an ending that isn't dogshit shovelware that never should have been allowed on the platform.
Even if it's just like a "The End" text over a single CG that pops up when you beat the final level, there's still something that theoretically constitutes an ending.
I can't say what was in the build of the game that you submitted to steam, but you yourself said that...
Which makes the state of other games a moot point.
Also, the fact that you didn't expect it to pass is kind of the issue.
You were talking about how you submitted it on schedule as though that was you meeting your deadline. But it doesn't count if you knew beforehand that it wasn't going to pass.
That just looks like a delay with extra trimmings to try shift blame to steams certification team instead of your devteam.
You knew it was going to fail and why, so you can't say "the delay was caused by Steam's people failing us unexpectedly"
The delay was caused by you not finishing the game on time, which is kind of a tautology, but it's also true. (which is itself also a tautology, btw)
If you'd just been up front about anther delay, you'd probably have gotten less pushback.
...Although tbh there was really no good option because you already said several times that the previous deadline (the 22nd?) was the absolute final date and it was coming out on that date whether it was done or not, which turned out to not actually be true.
Like, yeah I think people would have been unhappy to hear you directly say that there's another delay, but I still think it'd have come across better than "Well, technically we submitted it on time, even though we knew full well that it wouldn't actually pass submission."
Personally I don't really have any strong feelings about this game anymore. I'm pretty sure I wrote it off as never coming out years ago, so the fact that it might actually be a real playable thing by the end of the month just kinda feels like a nice suprise, rather than anything that I was excited for.
It's just that it feels weird for you to keep saying stuff like "It failed on a technicality." when you've already said that you knew it was going to fail, and why.
It didn't fail on a technicality, it failed because it wasn't done yet.
Well, yeah, that's why I said we knew that'd happen.
I wouldn't call that an "ending" myself, but I can see what you mean.
Actually, that's specifically why we did it; to help ensure the game gets out, buyable, on time.
When we first submitted the demo for Steam Nextfest, we were sure it'd be in without issue.
A week+ goes by and... it's rejected.
Why? Because of a tiny mistake we made when submitting it and not checking a specific box. The game itself was fine, but because we made that mistake, we had to wait ANOTHER week+ to get in, and in doing so, missed a huge portion of the pre-NextFest stuff which could have helped us a lot.
By submitting it like this, due to full games getting way more scrutiny on submission, we did in fact help the game be buyable on-time by ensuring that in our submission process, we weren't going to be hit by anything like that. And luckily, it is good that we submitted as such, because the report we got back did note things we weren't aware of when it comes to submitting a build on Steam, that weren't issues with the demo alone.
Had we submitted as-is without submitting this initial build, we absolutely would have missed any deadline we set for ourselves because we 100% would have been rejected.
But that wouldn't be the truth. I'd rather be up front about it not passing than try to get people's hopes up by claiming it'd pass. Additionally, if you check my posts, I never once boasted about it "meeting a deadline" with any of this, so I'm not sure why that keeps coming up as if that was a motive or incentive for us.
And continuing from earlier, here's why we would have failed.
In doing that submission, we found out from Steam staff that your store page has to 1:1 be a description of what's in your game.
Meaning, if ANY voicework was missing, if ANY cutscenes were missing, any dialogue, any content whatsoever, and that content was listed on the store page as being in the game, we would have failed. It's not just endings.
But by doing that submission, we were able to go back and forth with Steam and confirm that if we edit our store page to be listed like this;
Then we would be allowed to put the game up, even if it's not complete.
Had we not found out about this and waited to submit until a week or two before the release date, we would have went on, oblivious, submitted it without knowing this, we would have been rejected and guaranteed to miss any deadline we set.
What does it mean to cheat codes mayyyyy not be in at launch though? Do you need to wait for subsequent updates? ,Thanks a lotI'm hoping people will, on release, see the amount of content already in and be excited about seeing the remaining content get in, versus being upset/let down that said content isn't in at launch, but we're doing our best to get in as much as possible before the 30th!
As far as the achievements go;
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Remeber you only need five achievements per level to unlock the gallery for that level.
Those five can be all from Easy, all from Hard, or any mix of the ten available.
The Easy achievements are designed to give the player a push towards core game objectives, while the Hard ones are generally not core-objective related at all and are just meant to be fun/ridiculous.
If you get all ten achievements in a level, though, you'll get both a special POV animation loop and a cheat code (with the exception of The End, where you only get the cheat code.)
NOTE: cheat codes mayyyyy not be in at launch though, but it'll be retroactive if you got it.
We're prioritizing getting all core content/main gameplay stuff and story events in as much as possible, so it just depends on how much of that we get done, really.
The cheat codes wouldn't take long after launch to add in though, ideally.
Really like this game, probably my only complaint is that the only way to access 90% of the sex animations is by losing, or by going into the gallery outside of the gameplay.
Would have been great to have a way to initiate the sex animations on a very low health/defeated enemy and receive a temporary damage buff or health in a way to integrate the scenes without punishing players by sending them back to spawn for them, or having to access them through a not particularly immersive gallery.
Obviously a bit late in development to implement and appreciate the effort to finally get this out on a deadline (hopefully).
Would have been great to have a way to initiate the sex animations on a very low health/defeated enemy and receive a temporary damage buff or health in a way to integrate the scenes without punishing players by sending them back to spawn for them, or having to access them through a not particularly immersive gallery.
Obviously a bit late in development to implement and appreciate the effort to finally get this out on a deadline (hopefully).
So in the full game, nearly every level has at least 1, if not 2 or 3 cutscenes where the player can choose to intiate sex. Most of these result in a unique sex animation only seen in that cutscene.
Choosing to do so gets you Sexuality Ideal points, choosing not to reduces them; your total Sexuality points are one factor that affects the final ending of the game.
As far as why we didn't do it specifically with getting a buff from enemies though, that's a combination of three reasons;
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1) Devs have tried for just about forever to put in some sort of "have sex with defeated enemies" mechanic in games. To date, I have yet to see a game that does this, that doesn't result in one of the following (IMO, bad) scenarios;
- You can spam this ability on enemies, buffing yourself to near invincible amounts/infinite ammo/infinite health, removing all challenge from gameplay
- You can only do this ability every so often, which "constricts" availability of sex scenes, which is bad for player quality of life (and it potentially forces you to have sex with enemies just to survive, if the game is balanced around that)
- Being forced to see the same sex animation over and over and over (or even the same few animations) results in players getting irritated/bored with having to sit through an entire sex animation just to get buffs/ammo/health; if the animation is skippable, then the entire purpose of having sex be a part of it loses its point, meaning you could just have it be whatever.
Solutions to this that've been suggested are;
- Just do a super high amount of sex animations, which of course results in needing to do a LOT of extra art
- Have the thing where you get buffs from enemies be relegated only to bosses, which results in having to make a lot of bosses
- Make it a "temporary buff" that drains over time, but that itself has a lot of balancing issues
If we could figure out a way to do it without those issues though, we'd definitely do it for future games... if not for the next issue.
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2) Patreon generally only allows games with dub-con if the player character is NOT the aggressor (and like 20 other stipulations).
Having sex with a "defeated enemy" would fall right in line with the player character being the aggressor.
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3) Having both sex-on-loss AND sex-on-win animations would have been double the work, and we definitely wanted sex-on-loss due to that being a more familiar aspect of NSFW action games.
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But yeah, hopefully with future games, we'll figure out a non-grinding-required, balanced way to incorporate something like that.
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Just pushing along, nothing special to report here; still going to be releasing the game on November 30th, 2022, but again probably with about 10-15% of total voicework missing as well as some cutscenes, secret endings, etc. and a few other odds and ends not in yet.
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I disagree with your point about skippable anims defeating the point. The sex animations exist to arouse the player, but if I don't want to sit through the same animation for the seventh time then I can skip it. But I'm always going to watch it through fully the first time, and probably a few more times if I feel like it at the time.
Recovering health off defeated enemies isn't a bad point to me. I'm not looking for difficulty in sex games. And besides, the main challenge usually goes into the boss fights anyway. And if a dev really wanted to restrict it then some form of libido mechanic that gives diminishing returns is easy enough. You could also punish the player for doing this by having sex with enemies advance a counter (like Sexuality points) and therefore making non-Sexuality Ending runs more challenging, but as a bad gamer I hate that idea.
Letting an enemy have sex with the MC to auto-defeat an enemy without killing them is also kind of hot. I'm sure you scoff at the idea, being able to bypass all the challenge without consequence and also not making sense in lore, but it means the frequency of sex in the game is at my control without penalty. If I'm tired of it I can just play the game normally.
There are two ideas: (a) sex scenes are the main collectable of the game, and (b) the player should be punished for failing in the game. Sex on defeat puts these two ideas completely at odds. Players are obviously going to intentionally sabotage themselves when they come across a new enemy. Games with group animations are even worse, because (as sexy as they are) they encourage constantly taking damage on the off-chance the devs made a specific combination. Having to go all the way back to the lore-checkpoint because I wanted sexy times is irritating.
And you also mentioned the irritation of watching sex animations through multiple times for a buff, but plenty of sex on defeat games let you get stun locked into animations. That's irritating. Also sometimes very sexy. But also irritating.
There is something very erotic about a female MC being forced into sexual pleasure, but it sure is a stain on the design of h-platformers.
Right, but when you have something that's making people want to skip it, in general, that's not good design; you ideally want a player to engage with all parts of your game. It's not the worst thing in the world though, like you said, of course.
This is probably where we fundamentally differ in viewpoints; we're making games with adult content, not adult content with some gameplay. For all intents and purposes, we treated the design of this game exactly like we would a regular game, without sex content.
That said, we also DID make it a bit easier than we normally would have, specifically because the prevailing attitude right now in the west is that "porn game = no challenge/need to try to win", and if we made a game at full levels of challenge, it'd probably alienate most people with how the trend is currently for these games in the west.
Yeah, we'd want to avoid punishing the player in a permanent/hard to undo way for any given choices related to sex, so that'd be out for us too.
I don't think this is a bad idea inherently, and it'd be easy to work into the lore of a game if you designed it as such from the ground up, but the issue here would be, yes, balance issues. You'd need to design the game around it so that the game doesn't just become a cakewalk, because while people could play normally, as you noted, all of our games will have SFW modes.
So if we made that too fundamental of a gameplay mechanic, it'd make SFW mode need entirely new mechanics, which would be a bit of a nightmare. As for why we'd have a SFW mode for our games, that ties back into the mentality up above of wanting to make regular games; if we can get these games out to the mainstream, and people play the SFW mode, they might be tempted to try the NSFW mode.
If that happens, people who may normally never have played NSFW games, might be into trying them (both ours and others).
We did try to stave this off, by having animations only be unlockable in the gallery through positive actions (achievements, specifically). So while I know there's the whole entertainment of seeing it in-level, if you want to have permanent access to it, you'd need to do well.
We also staved this off some by having "easy mode" where you can watch an animation for as long as you like without taking damage, and we may even change that to just have it do no damage based on post-launch feedback.
Additionally, there are powerups that actually buff you against taking damage during sex/do damage to enemies that try to do this, or that negate that damage altogether.
On top of that, the "stun" system means that enemies can do low damage, but get you into stun faster, depending on how you get hit and what you get hit with, so you can see more sex animations, while taking less damage.
And finally, if you do lose, you get returned to the hub, which is at most, only 4-5 rooms from where you were at, with infinite lives, and no need to return to the title screen and go through menus and such.
(Plus of course, the number of animations in the game that are based on player choice, and those won't return you to the hub.)
I have yet to play a game like this, but I wouldn't doubt there's a lot of them, and that definitely would be terrible design.
It is; for future games, we'll definitely look at different ways to try and do it.
But our next two or three games, we'll be doing entirely different genres, so that shouldn't be much of an issue
The game Milia Wars had a good solution for this.
H animations consisted of several loops. Each loop dealt damage over, but also had a maximum amount of damage it could deal. To advance to the next loop you have to press a button. If a loop hadn't done it's maximum damage yet you would receive all remaining damage of the loop instantly. Based on how much health / stamina you had left the animation you switch to next might change.
That system allowed you to watch the (part of an) animation you like as long as you like without punishing you for it or requiring a gallery system.
This is similar to what we have on Easy Mode, except you take all the damage right at the beginning of the animation and that's it, otherwise it's identical (except that the animation isn't changing based on health etc.)