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if you meant connecting the existing demos together
Yes, that is what I meant. We can't know what is happening behind the paywalls so all you are saying has no proof to most people outside the number of demos in the OP. So it makes sense to bring demos up to speed since the main release has no definite date. Additionally, some reviews seem to be getting banned on the basis that they don't accurately represent what is available in the final game which is not released but is somehow known about by whoever bans the reviews.

Or do you have a definite date?

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Yes, that is what I meant. We can't know what is happening behind the paywalls so all you are saying has no proof to most people outside the number of demos in the OP. So it makes sense to bring demos up to speed since the main release has no definite date.
This would make no sense because if we got all the demos up to speed with what the final game would be, it'd just be literally giving away the game for free.
I just realized too, if you're implying there's new stuff that only backers see that you guys don't, that's not the case; we haven't had any content that is paywall-only in a year or two, with our last backer-only demo being almost exactly two years ago.

All other updates/content I post publicly/here.
Also, the game doesn't have a definite date, but it is coming out in 2023.

Additionally, some reviews seem to be getting banned on the basis that they don't accurately represent what is available in the final game which is not released but is somehow known about by whoever bans the reviews.
Negative opinions about the game are fine, disliking the game is fine, critiquing it is fine; the game isn't gonna please everyone per us making the game the way we want to, and honestly, I love responding to actual feedback.

But your review in particular, for example, has a large number of factual inaccuracies about the game's content, all of which is verifiable just by playing the public demo or from posts we've left in this thread / on Twitter.

Additionally, there's about 50 or so beta testers we have, some of which use F95, and at least one of which has left a review on here too. So they'd be able to verify that stuff's inaccurate, too.

If you want me to cover all the stuff that's inaccurate in the review, I'd be happy to, to clarify things both to you and anyone else who's wondering.
 
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But your review in particular, for example, has a large number of factual inaccuracies about the game's content, all of which is verifiable just by playing the public demo or from posts we've left in this thread / on Twitter.

Additionally, there's about 50 or so beta testers we have, some of which use F95, and at least one of which has left a review on here too. So they'd be able to verify that stuff's inaccurate, too.

If you want me to cover all the stuff that's inaccurate in the review, I'd be happy to, to clarify things both to you and anyone else who's wondering.
There is more than one public demo in this thread. And as much as I would like I can't possibly be able to play every demo, read every post in this thread on F95 and then on twitter too. I do hope you understand that.

Right now the game is a number of demos in the OP. That is what I meant by upgrading the demo - so it better represents the final product that "is coming". I do understand that you don't want to do that since it is extra effort and, most likely, unneeded.

As for correcting inaccuracies - you are doing pretty well already - I had a first hand experience. But again, you can't argue that stuff is inaccurate about the final build because to most people here it doesn't exist. Until released.

(please try to keep your answers short, thank you)
 
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In the case of larger projects such as games, I would see this system like this;
you pay $ 15 once and you have access to all published content.

In addition, every update you judge what it's worth and you get a choice of how much you want to pay for it, e.g. $ 1-5 or not pay at all.
I assume that the patronage is for this very purpose - a voluntary payment to support, not early access to special content, those we receive as a thank you, not as a paid product.

Most likely, the creators would receive significantly less funds per supporter, but let's be honest, most of the content gets pirated anyway, and such a system would encourage more people to become supporters, so in the end it might even work out. Maybe.
 
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There is more than one public demo in this thread. And as much as I would like I can't possibly be able to play every demo, read every post in this thread on F95 and then on twitter too. I do hope you understand that.
I don't expect people to play every demo, but the only public demo in this thread for the last year (and the one that's in the OP) is the public demo I'm talking about in regards to your review having inaccuracies. It's also the same public demo that's on Itch, Steam, and anywhere else the game's at (besides Newgrounds, since we're waiting for the final demo/final game release to update it there given how HTML5 is a massive bug-fixing spree to work with for games like this).

Right now the game is a number of demos in the OP. That is what I meant by upgrading the demo - so it better represents the final product that "is coming". I do understand that you don't want to do that since it is extra effort and, most likely, unneeded.
Each of the demos are a separate level; at this point in development though, all the levels have been linked together, so there's no real way to update them, because level 2 would be looking for multiple flags/events that would happen in level 1, and so on down the level list etc.

As for correcting inaccuracies - you are doing pretty well already - I had a first hand experience. But again, you can't argue that stuff is inaccurate about the final build because to most people here it doesn't exist. Until released.
Well, when I'm talking about inaccuracies in reviews, like in yours, I'm talking about inaccuracies that can be found by playing that Steam/Itch/demo listed in the OP.

You asked me to keep my answers short, but I'm not going to be able to do that for this one, so here's a breakdown of the inaccuracy stuff.

[Story] features are aspects of the game that are bad in my opinion since they don't add any new elements to core gameplay. They don't provide any value to a "sidescroller with lewd animations", but are quite costly and lengthy to implement as was pointed out in the progress reports. In my opinion it would have been better to focus on the core gameplay with new mechanics and actual gameplay elements.
We've said this in the thread before, but to clarify it again; if we completely abandoned all story elements, the other gameplay mechanics/content/amount would have remained the same.

Triangulate, Frouge and myself aren't on a commission basis; we split the Patreon money equally, and if we made $5,000,000 a month, we would still do the same content / same amount of it would be present in the final game, as we had a specific vision for the game that we wanted to make at the end of the day.

Many of the more modern side scrollers try to incorporate lewd elements into actual active gameplay. For example lewds having some form of impact on gameplay: impacting the player or the way the game is played through stats, new/different abilities, buffs or nerfs granted by lewds. In FF the lewd parts of the game have no impact on the character / world past deciding which CGs are shown. Those can be all seen in a gallery / gallery-video-by-third-parties when the game is finally released.
  • Lewds do indeed affect your stats. If you reject sex, you get -1 point in Sexuality Points. If you let a sex animation play out, you get +2 points in Sexuality Points.
  • There are multiple cutscenes that change depending on your amount of (or lack of) sexuality points.
  • Which of the 21 endings you get at the end of the game, is directly impacted by your sexuality points.
    • The game checks which of the other 7 personality values are highest, and then checks whether you have negative, neutral, or positive sexuality to give you 3 possible (very different) versions of that ending.
  • There's also the stun meter which affects sex and ties into powerups as well, to give you buffs/nerfs depending on specific powerups equipped.
All four of these are noted on social media/this thread, and the fourth one is in the public demo right now to interact with/play with.

Furthermore, many current games have some kind of RPG mechanic / character development / progression which makes the player feel like they get progressively stronger, evolve to meet greater challenges of the game, fight new enemies with new abilities, etc. FF was conceived before this was the norm and never really adapted to the change. The game has a number of items hidden in levels that the player can find that slightly alter the way the game is played... as soon as you find the most powerful ones the rest will be collecting dust in your inventory.
I'd say all the powerups are all fairly different, for just a small sample;
  • Some let you shoot entirely different (multiple bullets, shoot downwards to float in the air, create shockwaves on the ground, have magnetized bullets that stick to surfaces, instant travel shots, etc.)
  • Some let you move very differently (floating jump, bounce on enemy heads, move faster the longer you move in one direction, lower gravity).
  • Others have utility (stun enemies by running into them, extra life if you can get a health orb within a few seconds of hitting 0 HP, heal from doing damage to enemies).
Finally, there's powerups that interact with the Ideal Points, (your 8 "personality values": sexuality, justice, hatred, kindness, optimism, pessimism, pacifism, violence), as well as ones that shift how much or how little points you get for each of those in each interaction, inside and outside of cutscenes.

All 50 of these powerups are accessible in the public demo, and while it's RNG what ones you get on a given run, they are all in there. Additionally, IMO, there is no "best" or even "best set" of powerups; none of the powerups have universal "best" usage, so to speak.

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Then, there's the note you had about there not being character development/progression; there's literally over 1,500 cutscene variants in the game on our end, right now. Many of them shift your Ideal points (personality values) based on your choices.

Many others still will only trigger (or not trigger) based on those same Ideal points, all of which shapes Talia's personality over the course of the game, and of course, lead to your final ending.

A small chunk of those cutscenes (about 100 or so variations across about 30 cutscenes) can be found in the Public Demo for the game that's in the OP, Steam, Itch and so on.

FF does provide the player with one new ability per chapter of the game, but the player is so limited in their moveset at the start of the game that these new ones feel like they should be part of the base kit and there are only 4 of them
This is a small one, but again, just clarifying this; you get 2 new abilities per boss (one damage, one utility), and there are 3 bosses that give a set of like this, with a 4th giving increased stats in general for your mana regen. The 5th boss gives no extra abilities, per reasons that'll be obvious plot-wise when you're playing against them in-game/have defeated them.

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Hopefully that clarifies some of the info about the game, though.

In the case of larger projects such as games, I would see this system like this;
you pay $ 15 once and you have access to all published content.
The only issue with this system, is that it rewards late adopters, and punishes early adopters who get far less at the time of their pledging, than the late adopter does.

Sure, they don't get charged again, but as seen with this game, getting interested in it and then waiting for a long time until you get what you were looking for can be much more frustrating than just dropping in far later, getting it and going, even if the actual tangible reward value is the same between the two cases.

People would be getting a better deal in that sense if they waited to support someone, which is the antithesis of crowdfunding, in that people often need money most the earlier on in development they are, so that they can afford to fund making a solid demo to attract enough attention to make ends meet/continue working on the game.
 
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You asked me to keep my answers short
Yes I did. However you wrote a wall of text again. At a glance I am still unsure that ALL of that is available in the demos.
I'm sorry that you don't like my review, but it is my opinion and I don't see any reason for me to change that (because steps were taken to stop me from expressing it fully). There is plenty of praise in the review section anyways.
As for further discussion about the game, I'll let someone else who is hopefully unbiased take over now. Because, unfortunately, I don't have as much time as you do.
 
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Yes I did. However you wrote a wall of text again. At a glance I am still unsure that ALL of that is available in the demos.
Not all of it is available in the demos, but the stuff that I noted is in the public demo, is in it. Anything else has been talked about in the thread or twitter.

I'm sorry that you don't like my review, but is is my opinion and I don't see any reason for me to change that (because steps were taken to stop me from expressing it fully). There is plenty of praise in the review section anyways.
As noted before, I don't mind opinions; I'm only correcting factual inaccuracies or clarifying things that seemed to be misrepresented.
 
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Will you sell the game on other platforms than Steam, since Steam censors some markets like the one in Germany?
So at launch, we'll only be on steam for the first month or so, to make sure any bugs we missed, etc. get fixed while we rapidly update the game every few days or so.

Then after that, we'll have it on many other platforms.

For Germans though, you can back us for $20 on Patreon (only need to do it once) and I'll send you a copy of the game wirh a direct download link.
 
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So the game is nearing completion which is awesome! Love when a game actually gets finished. What's next for the devs after this though?
The next game we'll be doing is Eroding Ego, which already has a good amount of work done on it (done during lull periods of FF, but hasnt been worked on in 4 or so years)

Past that, there's around 50 or 60 game ideas I have fleshed out in a document, so there'll be games for a long while to come (and ideally done much faster than we took on FF!)
 

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The next game we'll be doing is Eroding Ego, which already has a good amount of work done on it (done during lull periods of FF, but hasnt been worked on in 4 or so years)

Past that, there's around 50 or 60 game ideas I have fleshed out in a document, so there'll be games for a long while to come (and ideally done much faster than we took on FF!)
Happy to hear it! Cheers and congrats on making it this far
 

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On a side note, for people who keep claiming Vialyn is somehow me on a sockpuppet;

- They initially wrote a large writeup about the game that was extremely detailed, giving me the impression they'd be a good bug tester for the game.
- I contacted them, asking if they'd be interested in testing the game.
- They said yes, and so I asked to add them on Discord so I could add them to said testing group.

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Per the first image, the account is nearly 6 years old, so unless people think I somehow made an account 6 years ago, just to post a single review, and did nothing with said account until now, then this should be obvious enough proof that they're not a sockpuppet; they're literally another person.

Not paid by me to review (as that would be illegal), either, they're just a regular, normal person.
You can view their account publicly here to confirm;

All this was posted with their permission, as well.
 
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Full permission to use any of my personal info if you think it'll save you some headaches, but, like...
On a side note, for people who keep claiming Vialyn is somehow me on a sockpuppet;

- They initially wrote a large writeup about the game that was extremely detailed, giving me the impression they'd be a good bug tester for the game.
- I contacted them, asking if they'd be interested in testing the game.
- They said yes, and so I asked to add them on Discord so I could add them to said testing group.

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Per the first image, the account is nearly 6 years old, so unless people think I somehow made an account 6 years ago, just to post a single review, and did nothing with said account until now, then this should be obvious enough proof that they're not a sockpuppet; they're literally another person.

Not paid by me to review (as that would be illegal), either, they're just a regular, normal person.
You can view their account publicly here to confirm;

All this was posted with their permission, as well.
Fully welcome to use whatever information of mine if it'll save you any headaches, but I'm also kinda doubting the value of your continuing to post here with any regularity, tbh. Starting to feel like you're being genuine-to-a-fault with people who aren't really worth trying to "convince." Correcting misinformation is one thing, but this feels more like just getting caught up in trying to satisfy people who've already decided to make negative assumptions about you, the team, and the game itself.

Doesn't feel like something worth potentially gambling with your mental health at a rigged table, even if that means having a handful of others adopt erroneous assumptions about your game. People aren't always going to see eye to eye, and plenty of them are going to decide what they believe regardless of whatever you have to say.

I got all bent outta shape about it, as people being rude just sets me off, but it's just not healthy for me to care that much about what anonymous randos have to say, and having my more hostile post deleted was a pretty clear sign of "okay, yeah, this isn't the way." If someone has real questions, they can check out the discord or such anyways, where most of this stuff is quite abundantly clear. If they'd rather assume the worst, you can't really change their minds. People gonna people.

But anyways. Personally think I'd rather step away from this thread. Getting sucked into petty arguments over this stuff runs counter to my original intent of basically just saying "yo, I'm all bubbly and excited about <game>." Fangirling over something cool is fun. Internet arguments are most definitely not. So, like, I'mma pass on that, from here. More fun to lurk around on the Discord, methinks. Mostly just made this account because it seemed like fun to write a review, anyways. ^^
 

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hello, wanted to ask a question but first and foremost I want to share, excited for the product and patiently waiting! This game looks better everytime I see it, and I'm excited for the big push to go through and finally see it all done.

sorry if this has been asked, there's been a little too much back-and-forth everywhere to read through. what's the outlook on the Faye game/Faye mode looking like if you're allowed to say anything about this?
 
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Noble 6 HentaiWriter Going to ask nicely here. Anyway we can take this out of this forum or do private matters? I dont want to resort to anything drastic.

From what I have been reading, it seems one user has a hard on for the dev and doesnt like what he is doing. As for what I can see, this is breaking one of our rules.

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Any further discussions on this matter will be handle appropriately.
 
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As for what I can see, this is breaking one of our rules.

Game/Mod/Comic/Animation/Asset/Fan art threads
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Fair. Though I think it's upsetting the entire posts were deleted, as they both had valid discourse in them regarding the game, the content, and the handling of it by the creator. I think the "prolonged" part being pulled should have been "Okay, you've said your pieces, now hush" instead of deletion.

I do feel the demo structure limits the view people can have on a game that is ever-changing, and that the systems the game boasts cannot be properly expressed in those demos, either. Most of the game's big systems are for an entire playthrough, across multiple levels. Not for a single level. Anyone that plays them and finds them lacking are justified in such a review of the demo's content. And that the "bi-weekly reports" are uninformative to anyone looking more information, they need an overhaul.

My DMs are open, I believe. I don't know how they work on F95.
 

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hello, wanted to ask a question but first and foremost I want to share, excited for the product and patiently waiting! This game looks better everytime I see it, and I'm excited for the big push to go through and finally see it all done.
Glad to hear it, thanks a lot :)

sorry if this has been asked, there's been a little too much back-and-forth everywhere to read through. what's the outlook on the Faye game/Faye mode looking like if you're allowed to say anything about this?
For right now, we're all three pretty burnt out on the Future Fragments IP, so when/if we do Faye's game, it'll be after we've finshed not only Future Fragments, but at least another 2 or 3 games after that.
 

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Glad to hear it, thanks a lot :)


For right now, we're all three pretty burnt out on the Future Fragments IP, so when/if we do Faye's game, it'll be after we've finshed not only Future Fragments, but at least another 2 or 3 games after that.
Makes sense to me, I imagine this dragged on a bit longer than you would have liked. Thank you for the response!
 
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[...] demo structure limits the view [...] game that is ever-changing [...] game's big systems are for an entire playthrough, across multiple levels. Not for a single level. [...] "bi-weekly reports" are uninformative [...]
Just tossing an alternate perspective out there - I agree with you completely!
  • The demo structure is limiting! - As opposed to the game being done and released.
  • Development is ongoing! - I'd hope it means the game changes, otherwise what are they even doing.
  • The game is intended to be played as a whole! - Maybe I'm just having a senior moment, but other than visual novels done in chapters I can't think of a game genre that is commonly split into incomplete pieces.
  • The bi-weekly reports don't spoil anything! - Extensive polling was done (afair on discord & patreon & twitter, so not all paywalled) that showed ~90% of respondents did not want spoilers.
I'm not trying to be aggressive or overly snarky, I just genuinely don't understand your complaints as I illustrated above. Perhaps you could volunteer to be a beta tester, to experience more of the game? But if bridges were burned in posts that aren't here anymore (idk I didn't see any but mod warnings are a red flag) that may be difficult.

What it boils down to is Future Fragments is in end-stage development. That means no more demos, no more artwork, no more storytime, less dev social media engagement, etc. As far as I can tell they've been in crunch for several months now trying to get this done, anything that doesn't further that cause is a distraction and a liability. If they don't burn out it will be a miracle.

Indie development is hard. There are countless promising abandoned games where the devs just dropped off the face of the earth, sometimes without even turning off their crowdfunding. Every few months I check The Dark Lord's Trip hoping Logan isn't dead - don't we all have a heartbreak or three? I'm not thrilled about how long FF has taken, I don't think anyone is, but I am thrilled it's not abandoned. Every adult game that doesn't die off is a victory imo, that's one thing I hope we can all agree on.

Idk why people are justifying their existence or participation here, but I first subbed to HentaiWriter's Patreon on March 29, 2018 at 1:16am, likely from excessive down bad aka 'hey gurl u up' syndrome. I have been an intermittent supporter over the years, not a die-hard one, so I don't feel my judgement is overly biased or compromised. Although I am a fan of their work! Kinda like how I love Bethesda despite them being a flaming hot mess. My F95zone account is ~4 years old. I'm mostly a lurker but post occasionally when I feel I have something worth saying. If mods disagree, feel free to concise-ify or balefire this post!
 
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