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I think that negativity stems from fear in this case. Adult games got milked really hard by scummy artists and got abandoned all the time. People are afraid so they resigned themselves to only expect failure each time any delay come up.
I used to support many Adult games on Patreon and seeing many scammers cause me to stop doing it. I mainly support devs that have finished a game of making good progress. If the delay happened more than twice without reasonable reasons I just drop them.
I too have high hope for this game. I really love the demo. I will buy the game when it is out.
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So much drama in this thread.
I used to support games but now I only support animators and digital artists.
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I think patreon's nature is at fault, really.
I think people should pay per RELEASE not monthly, in order to have access to the patreon benefits, but that would require a dedicated game development site, whereas patron is waaayy to generalistic for this sort of thing.
Each release should have a price tag attached to it: the price that people should pay for the features and bugfixes in the update. These per-update prices should accumulate (if say, someone buys the 0.5 version of a game, instead of getting 0.1, then 0.2 etc etc) to form the full price of the current product. That way, people know EXACTLY what value they are getting from their money.
I'm willing to spend $2 at a time to form a $40 game in the end, but right now, people spend way more than that on patreon, mostly for shitty products.
The way the monthly payments work now, you're basicaly paying for nothing most of the time and you have no goddamn clue what you're spending your money on.
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But yeah, I should be back to adding in cutscenes from here on out, while doing writing/ripping voicework alongside it.
Not much else to talk about this update, just been grinding out writing like crazy; I'm getting more and more excited for the final game, given how some of these cutscenes have been turning out!
I'd respond to this entire post (and the REALLY generous review), but I think you'd likely rather I just work on the game to get it out to you all ASAP, so I'll just say I appreciate both the review and the post; reading stuff like that really makes the team feel that all the work we've put into the game was worth it.
Which is understandable, and why we're both not going to have release dates going forward while still maintaining our "refunding backers if they feel their money hasn't been put to good use" clause.
Much appreciated, seriously.
Back when Patreon used to have a feature that allowed you to do just this (i.e. people would get instantly charged when you put out a post), the debate was interestingly on the other side of things; people hated this method because it meant that people could just release the tiniest change, and instantly charge anyone whenever they wanted, without warning.
Granted, you COULD set a limit to how many times a creator could charge you (yes, they could charge you multiple times per month for whatever amount you'd backed), but this was hidden deep in Patreon settings, so many people had no idea it was there.
That system was what lead to the dominance of the "charge at the end of the month" plan, which was a much more fair plan compared to that, IMO.
While this is a good plan, the main issue with it lies in the fact that almost no one, not even most AAA developers, can actually quantify at an objective level what version numbers equate to.
One person's "0.1" may be another person's "0.5", may be another person's "0.0001". Unless you have the entire game setup from beginning to end with every single asset listed out and that never ever changes, it'd be hard to actually put a price tag on a percentage that may not be accurate a year down the road.
The overall plan does make sense, though; if there was a way to avoid charging people more than once a month set in stone on Patreon without having to find a menu like you had to before, as well as people knowing ahead of time like "this 0.4 version will cost $10 and will have <xxx> content in it", that'd be pretty ideal, yeah.
In most cases, people generally just continue backing to support the dev, but I do think it'd be good if something like the whole refund system we have was adopted more widely, it might cause animosity towards indie crowdfunded adult games to go down some. That said, not everyone can afford to do that all the time, and there's definitely people who might exploit that, so it's really a catch 22.
Either way it is on the dev. A scammer dev can abuse both systems. And will probably find a way to abuse any other system. And, strangely, patreon is fine with either actions of such devs. So the problem is not really in either systems but how the devs abuse them (or not, in rare cases)
Again, comes to personal choice. One can try and put the effort to do it. Or say that it can't be objectively done and never do it.
A question: do you plan to combine all the demos into one, since the game is coming "when it is done"?
(please keep your answers short)
Well yeah, the whole game connects together, what you do in level 1 affects levels 2, 3 ,4 5, the ending, Talia's character development per player choices/actions, powerup abilities/stats, the sexuality points you have, gallery, you name it. All of it's interconnected.
Same for all the other levels, they're all affected by one another, and in our current build they're already connected.
Now, if you meant connecting the existing demos together, no, because that wouldn't make much sense to do as they'd all be outdated by then.
Yes, that is what I meant. We can't know what is happening behind the paywalls so all you are saying has no proof to most people outside the number of demos in the OP. So it makes sense to bring demos up to speed since the main release has no definite date. Additionally, some reviews seem to be getting banned on the basis that they don't accurately represent what is available in the final game which is not released but is somehow known about by whoever bans the reviews.
Or do you have a definite date?
(please try to keep your answers short, thank you)
This would make no sense because if we got all the demos up to speed with what the final game would be, it'd just be literally giving away the game for free.
I just realized too, if you're implying there's new stuff that only backers see that you guys don't, that's not the case; we haven't had any content that is paywall-only in a year or two, with our last backer-only demo being almost exactly two years ago.
All other updates/content I post publicly/here.
Also, the game doesn't have a definite date, but it is coming out in 2023.
Negative opinions about the game are fine, disliking the game is fine, critiquing it is fine; the game isn't gonna please everyone per us making the game the way we want to, and honestly, I love responding to actual feedback.
But your review in particular, for example, has a large number of factual inaccuracies about the game's content, all of which is verifiable just by playing the public demo or from posts we've left in this thread / on Twitter.
Additionally, there's about 50 or so beta testers we have, some of which use F95, and at least one of which has left a review on here too. So they'd be able to verify that stuff's inaccurate, too.
If you want me to cover all the stuff that's inaccurate in the review, I'd be happy to, to clarify things both to you and anyone else who's wondering.
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There is more than one public demo in this thread. And as much as I would like I can't possibly be able to play every demo, read every post in this thread on F95 and then on twitter too. I do hope you understand that.
Right now the game is a number of demos in the OP. That is what I meant by upgrading the demo - so it better represents the final product that "is coming". I do understand that you don't want to do that since it is extra effort and, most likely, unneeded.
As for correcting inaccuracies - you are doing pretty well already - I had a first hand experience. But again, you can't argue that stuff is inaccurate about the final build because to most people here it doesn't exist. Until released.
(please try to keep your answers short, thank you)
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In the case of larger projects such as games, I would see this system like this;
you pay $ 15 once and you have access to all published content.
In addition, every update you judge what it's worth and you get a choice of how much you want to pay for it, e.g. $ 1-5 or not pay at all.
I assume that the patronage is for this very purpose - a voluntary payment to support, not early access to special content, those we receive as a thank you, not as a paid product.
Most likely, the creators would receive significantly less funds per supporter, but let's be honest, most of the content gets pirated anyway, and such a system would encourage more people to become supporters, so in the end it might even work out. Maybe.
you pay $ 15 once and you have access to all published content.
In addition, every update you judge what it's worth and you get a choice of how much you want to pay for it, e.g. $ 1-5 or not pay at all.
I assume that the patronage is for this very purpose - a voluntary payment to support, not early access to special content, those we receive as a thank you, not as a paid product.
Most likely, the creators would receive significantly less funds per supporter, but let's be honest, most of the content gets pirated anyway, and such a system would encourage more people to become supporters, so in the end it might even work out. Maybe.
I don't expect people to play every demo, but the only public demo in this thread for the last year (and the one that's in the OP) is the public demo I'm talking about in regards to your review having inaccuracies. It's also the same public demo that's on Itch, Steam, and anywhere else the game's at (besides Newgrounds, since we're waiting for the final demo/final game release to update it there given how HTML5 is a massive bug-fixing spree to work with for games like this).
Each of the demos are a separate level; at this point in development though, all the levels have been linked together, so there's no real way to update them, because level 2 would be looking for multiple flags/events that would happen in level 1, and so on down the level list etc.
Well, when I'm talking about inaccuracies in reviews, like in yours, I'm talking about inaccuracies that can be found by playing that Steam/Itch/demo listed in the OP.
You asked me to keep my answers short, but I'm not going to be able to do that for this one, so here's a breakdown of the inaccuracy stuff.
We've said this in the thread before, but to clarify it again; if we completely abandoned all story elements, the other gameplay mechanics/content/amount would have remained the same.
Triangulate, Frouge and myself aren't on a commission basis; we split the Patreon money equally, and if we made $5,000,000 a month, we would still do the same content / same amount of it would be present in the final game, as we had a specific vision for the game that we wanted to make at the end of the day.
- Lewds do indeed affect your stats. If you reject sex, you get -1 point in Sexuality Points. If you let a sex animation play out, you get +2 points in Sexuality Points.
- There are multiple cutscenes that change depending on your amount of (or lack of) sexuality points.
- Which of the 21 endings you get at the end of the game, is directly impacted by your sexuality points.
- The game checks which of the other 7 personality values are highest, and then checks whether you have negative, neutral, or positive sexuality to give you 3 possible (very different) versions of that ending.
- There's also the stun meter which affects sex and ties into powerups as well, to give you buffs/nerfs depending on specific powerups equipped.
I'd say all the powerups are all fairly different, for just a small sample;
- Some let you shoot entirely different (multiple bullets, shoot downwards to float in the air, create shockwaves on the ground, have magnetized bullets that stick to surfaces, instant travel shots, etc.)
- Some let you move very differently (floating jump, bounce on enemy heads, move faster the longer you move in one direction, lower gravity).
- Others have utility (stun enemies by running into them, extra life if you can get a health orb within a few seconds of hitting 0 HP, heal from doing damage to enemies).
All 50 of these powerups are accessible in the public demo, and while it's RNG what ones you get on a given run, they are all in there. Additionally, IMO, there is no "best" or even "best set" of powerups; none of the powerups have universal "best" usage, so to speak.
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Then, there's the note you had about there not being character development/progression; there's literally over 1,500 cutscene variants in the game on our end, right now. Many of them shift your Ideal points (personality values) based on your choices.
Many others still will only trigger (or not trigger) based on those same Ideal points, all of which shapes Talia's personality over the course of the game, and of course, lead to your final ending.
A small chunk of those cutscenes (about 100 or so variations across about 30 cutscenes) can be found in the Public Demo for the game that's in the OP, Steam, Itch and so on.
This is a small one, but again, just clarifying this; you get 2 new abilities per boss (one damage, one utility), and there are 3 bosses that give a set of like this, with a 4th giving increased stats in general for your mana regen. The 5th boss gives no extra abilities, per reasons that'll be obvious plot-wise when you're playing against them in-game/have defeated them.
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Hopefully that clarifies some of the info about the game, though.
The only issue with this system, is that it rewards late adopters, and punishes early adopters who get far less at the time of their pledging, than the late adopter does.
Sure, they don't get charged again, but as seen with this game, getting interested in it and then waiting for a long time until you get what you were looking for can be much more frustrating than just dropping in far later, getting it and going, even if the actual tangible reward value is the same between the two cases.
People would be getting a better deal in that sense if they waited to support someone, which is the antithesis of crowdfunding, in that people often need money most the earlier on in development they are, so that they can afford to fund making a solid demo to attract enough attention to make ends meet/continue working on the game.
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Yes I did. However you wrote a wall of text again. At a glance I am still unsure that ALL of that is available in the demos.
I'm sorry that you don't like my review, but it is my opinion and I don't see any reason for me to change that (because steps were taken to stop me from expressing it fully). There is plenty of praise in the review section anyways.
As for further discussion about the game, I'll let someone else who is hopefully unbiased take over now. Because, unfortunately, I don't have as much time as you do.
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Not all of it is available in the demos, but the stuff that I noted is in the public demo, is in it. Anything else has been talked about in the thread or twitter.
As noted before, I don't mind opinions; I'm only correcting factual inaccuracies or clarifying things that seemed to be misrepresented.
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Will you sell the game on other platforms than Steam, since Steam censors some markets like the one in Germany?
So at launch, we'll only be on steam for the first month or so, to make sure any bugs we missed, etc. get fixed while we rapidly update the game every few days or so.
Then after that, we'll have it on many other platforms.
For Germans though, you can back us for $20 on Patreon (only need to do it once) and I'll send you a copy of the game wirh a direct download link.
So the game is nearing completion which is awesome! Love when a game actually gets finished. What's next for the devs after this though?
The next game we'll be doing is Eroding Ego, which already has a good amount of work done on it (done during lull periods of FF, but hasnt been worked on in 4 or so years)
Past that, there's around 50 or 60 game ideas I have fleshed out in a document, so there'll be games for a long while to come (and ideally done much faster than we took on FF!)