Others Completed Future Fragments [v1.0.1] [HentaiWriter]

[Bulbanych]

My biggest concern for this game is: do we know how many new sex animations will there be in the full game ? Because, since the last demo that was released many years ago, most of the content in progress reports (and the main reason for the unholy amount of delays) are new voiced dialogues and bug fixes.
The amount of sex scenes in those demos from many years ago was not bad, but if that was most of the porn content in this porn game that was delayed a hundred times because the developer wanted to have every single line in the game voiced, then what's the point in paying for the full game, when most of the content was avaliable in free demos and the main difference of a "full version" is more voices ?

EDIT: The guy actually responded to me in DMs, I don't know if he stopped because other people swarm him if he decides to write something here, or if there's a different reason, but here's his answer copypasted straight from the source:


"The game was not delayed due to voicework; even if we had nothing in the game voiced, it would have taken this long.

The reason the game took this long is the amount of gameplay/content in general in the game, and repeatedly iterating said content to make sure it played well, looked well, felt well etc.

We only got a demo out for the last level in the game in 2021, and we didn't even voice any cutscenes besides the electric level until 2022 or so. 95% of development has been spent purely on non-audio development/content.

The story content and multiple choices/variants are what make up a lot of the bulk of the game, and while it does have some new sex animations, the sex has never been *the* focus of the game, it's always been *a* focus, not made anymore important than any other given element.

The voicework and storyline also did not take away from the sex scenes; our artist works based on an equal Patreon split (each of us gets 1/3rd), and he only does as much as he wants/wanted to for the game in total, regardless of any other factors.

Meaning, if we made $500,000,000 off of the game and had never done any story or voicework content, the amount of sex animations would have still been the same regardless; we just would have had more money instead. Same goes for the amount of levels, enemies, etc.

We made the game how we wanted to make it, regardless of budget or any other factors, basically. All choices were voted on and agreed equally by the three of us working on the game."

EDIT 2: In my case, this actually confirms that I have no reason to buy the full version, since HW's response says that the main focus of the game is the story, meanwhile for me the main draw was well-animated sex scenes, and there won't be many new ones in the full version.

 

[FutureHUD]

the sex has never been *the* focus of the game, it's always been *a* focus, not made anymore important than any other given element.

I don't think this will have the intended effect that HentaiWriter thinks this will have. If it never was, why advertize it as such? Can he blame us for thinking so when he made this very thread?

 

[Bulbanych]

I don't think this will have the intended effect that HentaiWriter thinks this will have. If it never was, why advertize it as such? Can he blame us for thinking so when he made this very thread?

Making a porn game with beautifully animated sex scenes, and then saying that the main focus of said porn game is "not porn, but story" is one of the most strange decisions ever.

 

[Bulbanych]

He made another answer, I already said what I think about the full version, so here's the copypasted text:



"While I wish you'd reply here for ease;

Bulbanych said:
Making a porn game with beautifully animated sex scenes, and then saying that the main focus of said porn game is "not porn, but story" is one of the most strange decisions ever.

We never said we *aren't* focused on porn; I said we treated story, gameplay, audio, porn, art, writing, all the elements of the game equally.

We aren't going to sacrifice story to get more porn, nor will we sacrifice porn to get more story, nor will we sacrifice graphics for gameplay, or gameplay for audio, or audio for art.

You can play through the entire game without interacting with the story; 99% of it is optional.
You can also play through and see tons of it.

You can play through the entire game and do easy mode gameplay with certain powerups, totally detaching from the platformer difficulty, and just trigger sex scene after sex scene.
You can also use the level editor to have any combination of story, porn, or gameplay you want too.

The point was to make a game that didn't sacrifice anything for anything, and that would cater to people's playstyles in all different demographics of player choices, allowing for each player to have a different experience (and not expecting them to play more than once, either).

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Also, yes, people often distort what I say on F95 publicly, remove context, twist context, etc. so there's not much point in responding publicly; I PM people from time to time to clarify things, but that's about it.

The full version also, btw, isn't just "more voices"; 95% of the story content, including actual dialogue for sex scenes instead of just the animations, variants of sex scenes, and countless other things are what the difference is.

Again, it's not for everyone, and that's fine; I'm just clarifying here is all."

 

[nikkunamesu]

Oh man, if only there was a place where people shared content and we could download and play it for free... One day, someone on the interwebz will make it happen, I'm sure!

Sure, but the dev isn't the one releasing it for free like others were implying

 

[Limbix]

Dev is cursed with being unable to make release windows, honestly at this point it's more so a funny meme than anything.

 

[TakosMilGrau]

Making a porn game with beautifully animated sex scenes, and then saying that the main focus of said porn game is "not porn, but story" is one of the most strange decisions ever.

It's usually like this when the project gets over the dev's head. I've seen a lot of games start as simpler projects, and then the devs decide that their fanfics and OCs are way more important to the game than the sex. I'm not against a well written, story-driven eroge, but if you're doing anything other than a visual novel or rpg then I don't think you need to prioritize story, sometimes even gameplay, over the sexual content. I've never seen it done correctly, at least. When the project get to this point, you start wondering why it is an eroge in the first place. Just make it a regular game then.

 

[kasdiddd]

If this game doesn’t have a proper gallery with functions like zoom in I’ll be so sad. Everything else that happened can be forgiven if the sex animation experience is what it should be

 

[iamnuff]

I got a pm too, but I didn't bother reading it.
I don't think I could possibly have been clearer that the only thing I care about hearing from this project is "the new demo/full release is out right now and you can download it."

Until that point, I feel like anything HW could say would have no value?
Like, even if the reasoning and 'just for the record' posts are completely true... it doesn't actually change anything, does it?

Either the demo is downloadable or it isn't.
And it's not.
So this thread is of no further interest to me until that changes.

 

[aaryncage]

Damn, Every Triple A Dev dreams of doing what these guys are doing, imagine if a triple aaa studio such as Ea or ubisoft did this, wait your telling me people on the internet can buy access to a game for almost a decade and pay for it that whole time but never actually get to play the full release and when people get upset just say the full release is coming and constentally push the release date back and they are getting paid this whole time?????? EA should honeslty hire these guys. If there isnt some kind of law being broken id be shocked but then again weirder shit has happened.

 

[FutureHUD]

The game we really need is the full adaptation of Crime and Punishment paired with the gameplay of Super Mario.

next we need a sequel following a group of toads who are part of a growing nihilist movement who end up murdering luigi, may as well go all the way with the dostoevsky references xD

 

[AngrySpergMarine]

Jesus this has been in development since the beginning of 2015.

 

[Getoffmypenarmods]

This shit still in development? Jeez. Found it when I first started playing H-games years ago, and it still ain't out. Do we have an estimate for the amount of sex scenes the final product will have?

 

[useless321email123]

So.

This got an abandon tag.

Then dev later mentions on Discord about releasing a full fire-level demo after the 'abandon tag?'

Then later postpones said full fire level demo release after initial 24 hours with more delays?

Did I miss anything? Looking back at posts when someone questions abandon tag a few pages back and another user later mentions dev mentioning on Discord about releasing a demo, but then puts it off?

Assuming mods don't come police my post for whatever reasons. Apparently questioning anything about HW ways gets you censored on this thread.

I don't know anything about the discord, but I've been following the bi-weekly progress reports they post on reddit, and making estimates based on the numbers for remaining scenes and bugs. Based only on those, development has been slow but steady. Maybe I'm missing something that was posted to discord but theoretically development could be done in the next couple months.
Regarding the 'abandoned' tag, I think I saw on a different thread that a game automatically gets labelled as abandoned if it hasn't received an update in a certain amount of time. This post hasn't been updated since February 2021, so it wouldn't surprise me if that's why it got the tag, even though development is still going.

 

[sharpys]

Not surprising. Man just likes to write. A lot. Even the dialogues & cutscenes have so are so heavy on the literature composition, dude should just stop trying to make FF chug along and go write a book instead. Always had that impression once I saw the first gameovers started coming out.

 

[silver24240]

Not surprising. Man just likes to write. A lot. Even the dialogues & cutscenes have so are so heavy on the literature composition, dude should just stop trying to make FF chug along and go write a book instead. Always had that impression once I saw the first gameovers started coming out.

Honestly that's not even a bad idea. Imagine if you could take the premise of this game's story, setting, characters, etc. and adapt it into a full novel. With the amount of writing and detail that's supposedly been one of the reasons for the delays, why not?

 

[meta1]

Honestly that's not even a bad idea. Imagine if you could take the premise of this game's story, setting, characters, etc. and adapt it into a full novel. With the amount of writing and detail that's supposedly been one of the reasons for the delays, why not?

Why not? It worked for Fate/Stay Night.

 

[RedPillBlues]

Regardless of other reasons, I could easily see Hentaiwriter pushing the deadline farther and farther away because hes scared to lose this games audience. So if most people on this thread dont know, Hentaiwriter actually has developed/developing? two other games. One, Reclaim Reality, which got cancelled due to, among other reasons, scope and lack of intrest. And Eroding Ego, which might still be in development, and supposedly is the next game. However the reception to Eroding Ego was pretty lukewarm compared to this game, although to be fair it was never really given a chance. I could easily see them pusedo delaying the game, whilst still adding more content, because they are scared to take the next step. From all the conversations I've had with the guy, I don't think hes scamming anyone, he was always been a genuinely good person.

If anyones doubting them you should go look at the Reclaim Reality thread and look at his outline for that game. I simply dont think its the kind of thing someone who isnt passionate about these games would make. And to clarify I have absolutely zero intrest in either of the games, so im not some sort of Joshua Tree. If anything the only game im interested in is ErodingEgo.

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[Mhiggey]

I remember the OG ULMF thread, the first one now lost to the pits of time. Future Fragments managed to drum up the interest it did because of the quality of the pixel art and scene animations, as 2D sprite H games that look good are too rare even in the Jap game dev scene. All the voice acted cutscenes and twenty (or whatever number it is now) unique endings with a hundred powerups weren't really a thing back then. It's a shame, because from what the Dev has said then the majority of the enemy animations have already been shown in the demos, and the H art isn't the focus of the game anymore.

It will be interesting to compare the original demo of the fire level with the new one releasing SOONtm, to see just where the design mentality of this project has focused on.

 

[bastorra]

It's never really done before in non-VNs because 20+ endings for a porn game is completely insane. You can really only get away with that if they're 20 different GORs like what Koooonsoft does. What's next, the Future Fragments dedicated speedrunning community?