VN Ren'Py Game of Hearts [Ch.5 R1] [SparkHG]

[siath70]

Yeah that much is clear but why should the MC care about her at this point? Better yet, why should the player care for her at this point? Because up until now we had a scene at her place in the last update where all this was explained and that was it. That is supposed to justify picking her over Julia who we've been building a relationship with this whole time? The same Julia that has all this mystery surrounding her and their past?

Red doesn't care for Ruby, well not in a love type way. It's all but said Red will fuck anything with tits, just because he can, but he likes married women.
He views it as training, nothing more at this point, except with Julia (I think there's a bit more going on there).

He knew he would be meeting an angel.

Julia or Ruby's training is all about him using his powers to get stronger. To be able to resist being attacked by bad people.
Why does Julia have them and not Ruby? Well, I don't know, only the Dev would. If you want my opinion on it then there is something more going on between Julia and Red and that is the reason for her stat points.
I am sure there is more to these three than we know right now.

It was said multiple times his mother was coming and in his state it would be a bad thing to run into her. I think it was even mentioned she was looking for him.

As far as skills, they're not needed any more, Meredith is pretty much broken at this point Maybe in part 2 there will be a skills screen before everything kicks off, but I really don't see the point. Why would Red expend his energy to do that when it's pretty much a done thing.

As far as the rest of what you said, I think you need to go back and slowly read the story, everything is explained. I can't explain everything to you, I'm not the Dev, these are my thoughts/opinions I got when I read the VN.

I could be 100% wrong or I could be 100% right or somewhere in between. But for now this is what I see and how I feel about things. You bring up somethings that shouldn't even matter, like Meredith and skills, by this point in the story she should be pretty much broken, so no matter what you put into skills should make no difference. The whole Brie thing, I do believe Julia told him he would be meeting a special angel that has requested to see him. At some point I also think she mentioned her name before they left, if not then it's an error on the Dev's part.

Not everything is black and white, sometimes you have to take a leap and just come to your own conclusions in a story. It's up to you to like or dislike something or to connect things in your own way.
I can talk facts from the story, but some of the story is very shadowed right now and we don't know about it right now, so we make up our own minds how to see the events.
It's one of the downfalls with VNs, they're released in chapters or acts, it's not like you can read the whole thing from front to back right away so everything makes sense. This is why some people wait for the completed tag, others just go with the flow knowing not everything will make sense.

So, I once again say, this is my own thoughts/opinions based on the events in the story.

I really do think you should read it slowly again because some of the stuff you talk about is explained. That choice, of course, is for you to make.

Thanks!

 

[Pagdish]

I like your game...
But i dont like to be forced to anything to Julia. I hate her.
Good luck with your game.

 

[siath70]

I feel like I still don't really know Julia or Ruby or Maxine for that matter. Meridith is easy. What was Maxine doing when she was making her choices? Was she inert? Brie is a good addition in that it may bring some stability. I still feel like Julia is playing it safe and it's driving me bananas that I don't really trust her and that I'm sleeping with her. This was a quality update that's given me a lot to think about.

Julia is a mystery, there's a lot more going on with her than we know. We know she wants to be close to the MC and help him, but that is pretty much it. To me she is clearly in love with the MC, but her motives are uncertain.
Ruby, well, we really don't even know what she's there for really, so again another mystery. I think she has a thing for the MC, but not much has been revealed.
Maxine, well I like to think she has been tying up her loose ends with her marriage and her business. Then preparing to stay with the MC once that is all done. She can not be there for the shoots, only that one time, so she's been clearing up her end of things. I have a feeling we'll be seeing a lot more of her in the future.
Max and Mere, will become power houses, his father told him as his power grows so does his followers. So I expect them to gain abilities and such in the future.

 

[starbright2]

Maxines status said not shown siath
it's fun to conjecture BOWmfs

 

[superseveneight]

Julia, Ruby and now Brie. It's getting extremely hard to pick a favorite.
Brie is a literal angel who needs a hug.

 

[MrRick]

dude go to the first page click in walkthrough mod and it takes you to the updated mod...

I was asking about an android link. There is none in the mod page

 

[Joint311]

I was asking about an android link. There is none in the mod page

oh... im sorry, i didn't even know this game was able to be played on android

 

[Handsy]

Nah, that was just a cover. MC even says to Ruby "did she just fake exhaustion so that we could be together?" after Julia left.

Yeah you're right, I still found Ruby's scene half as interesting as it could have been with the minigame in place. None of the choices I made felt like they mattered but we don't know because we've never seen how many love points we have with her, if any. That just took all the value out of the scene for me at least, especially the way it ended, seemed incomplete and rushed. Edit: But! I just remembered when Ruby came back, she said something to Julia like "you don't want him to see you like this" so she must have been weak after all. That's what I mean, everything is confusing and full of holes. This update needed another month or two in the oven, people need to stop rushing the guy.

As far as skills, they're not needed any more

If that's the case then that's just really bad game design, a lot of people enjoyed that "minigame". Why implement all that just for Meredith and then just drop it? Sounds like you're trying to make excuses for the dev but that isn't helping the game. Edit: If this is really as you say, this game loses half its appeal for me. Not to mention there's no way you could buy some of the higher level skills that early, so it was not intended to be dropped because "it was no longer needed". He probably just didn't have the time to flesh all that out because people keep pressuring him to release updates.

or if you really dont like the avn,DO IT YOURSELF

Chill, no need to go full blown fanboy. Negative criticism helps the game improve. If we didn't like it we wouldn't waste time talking about it.

 

[sac812]

I don't think the minigame aspect is gone forever ... I expect it'll be back for the end of Meredith's progression and, presumably, for additional targets as the story progresses. It just wasn't needed for this particular update.

 

[Alex Lem]

Many people assume that Meredith has two paths, love and corruption, buuut is it true? What if what we think of as "love path" is actually just a lack of corruption points? Cause so far, in certain moments it seems as if we just don't have enough points, and these moments seem incomplete, or we just make the wrong choice, and she should have those corruption points, but also Meredith in what what we think as "corruption path" becomes more obsessed, and the word "broken" was used, but at the same time she is also definitely in love with MC and this is not just lust, so maybe there is only one path? I have two saves, and we will find out the answer in the next update, but I think there is only one path, and we really need those corruption points, for every girl who is not a demon, and maybe it was the same with Max, but it was all behind the scenes, and Max as we saw her in the beginning was already 100% all in, and the other girls are a completely different case

 

[Beep002]

Cool update, can you tell me when it will be coming soon? I'm dying to see how it will unfold from now on.

 

[BoomDaBoom]

It should be fixed, thank you.

Appreciate it. looks like I found another one. Might be good to check overall.

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[Handsy]

I don't think the minigame aspect is gone forever ... I expect it'll be back for the end of Meredith's progression and, presumably, for additional targets as the story progresses. It just wasn't needed for this particular update.

Or the last update apparently. If I recall correctly, we haven't updated our skills since the update before last. I think we've only had like 2 chances to do it so far, during the whole game.

 

[sac812]

Or the last update apparently. If I recall correctly, we haven't updated our skills since the update before last. I think we've only had like 2 chances to do it so far, during the whole game.

Three I believe ... each time precedes one of Meredith's "shoot" scenes.

1. After the first shoot day one, Julia starts your training and gives you the intro to demonic powers while Meredith is sleeping. You lock in upgrades ahead of the evening shoot.

2. Following the day one evening shoot, you drop off Meredith at home then go with Julia for more training. Here you get bonus demon energy points for Julia's orgasm(s), but after you wake up from your nap, you lock in upgrades before rescuing Meredith in the alley and spending the night at her apartment.

3. After checking into the hotel, meeting with Max, and napping with Julia, you get another chance to upgrade before the hotel night shoot scenes. Following those, you should have ~1500-1800 points banked for your next set of upgrades.

So those points are sitting there, waiting to be spent before the next shoot scene with Meredith, which of course didn't take place in this update.

To be fair, I hadn't played or subscribed to this game before a couple of weeks ago, but I'm assuming the entirety of the hotel shoot (threesome + Meredith solo) made up the entirety of the update prior to this one, so yeah I can definitely see why it *feels* like it's been a long time.

But from my perspective as someone who only played this for the first time 10 days ago, the flow of events seems to make a lot of sense and, frustration aside, I can understand why they didn't bother including it in this update.

 

[siath70]

Maxines status said not shown siath
it's fun to conjecture BOWmfs

Well, you can see it, if you load the cheats up. You can see everyone's stats.

No Conjecture, I loaded up the cheats when I played the game through multiple times to see how the stats changed based on actions. Some actions were shown in the walkthrough, other not and still changed things.
So, while you're right you can see her status, you can with cheats.

 

[siath70]

Many people assume that Meredith has two paths, love and corruption, buuut is it true? What if what we think of as "love path" is actually just a lack of corruption points? Cause so far, in certain moments it seems as if we just don't have enough points, and these moments seem incomplete, or we just make the wrong choice, and she should have those corruption points, but also Meredith in what what we think as "corruption path" becomes more obsessed, and the word "broken" was used, but at the same time she is also definitely in love with MC and this is not just lust, so maybe there is only one path? I have two saves, and we will find out the answer in the next update, but I think there is only one path, and we really need those corruption points, for every girl who is not a demon, and maybe it was the same with Max, but it was all behind the scenes, and Max as we saw her in the beginning was already 100% all in, and the other girls are a completely different case

Look at it this way:
Affection is she wants to be close to him, she loves him. Sex is great and she loves it, but it's a by product. She's not as open sexually as she would be if she was corrupted. This is shown when she just wants to stand by him when it's time for her to leave in ch 5 p1.

Corruption is she just wants to fuck him and get those feeling she gets from it. He could bend her over in a crowded room and she would be happy as long as she's getting dicked by him. Love is the by product here, she loves him, but she needs him more in a sexual way. In a way she probably wouldn't object to anything he wanted to do sexually with her, another guy or woman (Maxine) or anything else on a sexual level. This is shown when he starts fingering (rubbing) her before she leaves in ch 5 p 1 and gets upset when he stops.

Then shown again when Julia is talking about reading her mind after her meeting with Tommy. There are two different dialogues base on these two stats.

They both have similarities, she can still love him on either path. She is just more in love with him on the Affection side of things, she wants to be close to him and around him. It's no so much about the sex, though that is still a factor.
Then on the corruption side of things she is more about getting the dick and less about love, but love is still there, but sex with him is where it's at for her.

Two paths, close to being the same while slightly different in how she acts or feels.

 

[BOWmfs]

Yeah you're right, I still found Ruby's scene half as interesting as it could have been with the minigame in place. None of the choices I made felt like they mattered but we don't know because we've never seen how many love points we have with her, if any. That just took all the value out of the scene for me at least, especially the way it ended, seemed incomplete and rushed. Edit: But! I just remembered when Ruby came back, she said something to Julia like "you don't want him to see you like this" so she must have been weak after all. That's what I mean, everything is confusing and full of holes. This update needed another month or two in the oven, people need to stop rushing the guy.



If that's the case then that's just really bad game design, a lot of people enjoyed that "minigame". Why implement all that just for Meredith and then just drop it? Sounds like you're trying to make excuses for the dev but that isn't helping the game. Edit: If this is really as you say, this game loses half its appeal for me. Not to mention there's no way you could buy some of the higher level skills that early, so it was not intended to be dropped because "it was no longer needed". He probably just didn't have the time to flesh all that out because people keep pressuring him to release updates.



Chill, no need to go full blown fanboy. Negative criticism helps the game improve. If we didn't like it we wouldn't waste time talking about it.

indeed sometimes negative criticism is needed to see if the dev did something wrong in some certain scenes but still my point is still there

negative comments can sometimes burned out the dev and wont upload updates in the avn cuz of it

then they say its becuz of some personal things but i know its not that considering all the comments ive read

criticism is good but if the product is good,why criticize it?

just let him cook and maybe in the future updates,the story can answer some of our question regarding on the matter yeah?

 

[Handsy]

Three I believe ... each time precedes one of Meredith's "shoot" scenes.

1. After the first shoot day one, Julia starts your training and gives you the intro to demonic powers while Meredith is sleeping. You lock in upgrades ahead of the evening shoot.

2. Following the day one evening shoot, you drop off Meredith at home then go with Julia for more training. Here you get bonus demon energy points for Julia's orgasm(s), but after you wake up from your nap, you lock in upgrades before rescuing Meredith in the alley and spending the night at her apartment.

3. After checking into the hotel, meeting with Max, and napping with Julia, you get another chance to upgrade before the hotel night shoot scenes. Following those, you should have ~1500-1800 points banked for your next set of upgrades.

So those points are sitting there, waiting to be spent before the next shoot scene with Meredith, which of course didn't take place in this update.

To be fair, I hadn't played or subscribed to this game before a couple of weeks ago, but I'm assuming the entirety of the hotel shoot (threesome + Meredith solo) made up the entirety of the update prior to this one, so yeah I can definitely see why it *feels* like it's been a long time.

But from my perspective as someone who only played this for the first time 10 days ago, the flow of events seems to make a lot of sense and, frustration aside, I can understand why they didn't bother including it in this update.

Yeah makes sense when you step back and look at it from that perspective, especially when you just started playing 10 days ago. For me it's been over a year since I've seen some of this stuff. That doesn't change the fact that this update just felt weak. Not only is it full of holes which I will present with screenshots when I play it again later, for the sake of argument, but also the fact that this whole minigame is missing with Ruby. She feels like a side character fighting for the number one spot with the MC at this point.

Up until now, every update left me saying "wow!", and that just wasn't the case here. There were no powerful moments like when he finally made Maxime his follower, that emotional moment where she says "don't regret it" or something like that. I was blown away by that scene. Even the scene with Julia in this update left me feeling cold to the whole encounter even though it should have been a major thing when the MC tells her that he loves her for the first time, first time as "Red" or whatever his name is now. This update just didn't pop and you can tell it was rushed. The dev even says this update was off schedule on his Patreon and it shows he was rushing. I hope the next one is better.

Btw, does anyone know where the saves are for this game? Not the ones in the game folder obviously but Ren'Py always makes a copy in C:user/appdata/roaming/Ren'py, and I can't find it there for the life of me. I have like a hundred saves in there. Anyone know where it is or what the folder is named?

indeed sometimes negative criticism is needed to see if the dev did something wrong in some certain scenes but still my point is still there

negative comments can sometimes burned out the dev and wont upload updates in the avn cuz of it

then they say its becuz of some personal things but i know its not that considering all the comments ive read

criticism is good but if the product is good,why criticize it?

just let him cook and maybe in the future updates,the story can answer some of our question regarding on the matter yeah?

No dude, I'm going to speak my mind while the game is in development. I've given this game and every update so far the highest praise and nobody took issue with it, this one wasn't on that level and I'm going to keep it real. You may disagree and that's fine but don't expect everyone else to follow suit and start foaming at the mouth if they don't.

 

[sac812]

Btw, does anyone know where the saves are for this game? Not the ones in the game folder obviously but Ren'Py always makes a copy in C:user/appdata/roaming/Ren'py, and I can't find it there for the life of me. I have like a hundred saves in there. Anyone know where it is or what the folder is named?

My folder is named Heartstealer-1681855218

 

[starbright2]

Well, you can see it, if you load the cheats up. You can see everyone's stats.

No Conjecture, I loaded up the cheats when I played the game through multiple times to see how the stats changed based on actions. Some actions were shown in the walkthrough, other not and still changed things.
So, while you're right you can see her status, you can with cheats.

I'm really busy. I can't talk right now but cheating is something a demon would do! (Hmm! How's that for a twist?) Are you certain the source is clandestine? Did it come from the Vatican? (ooh I'd like to boil their grapes!) As you are well aware any walkthrough or cheat is open to change and I'd prefer to remember the "unofficial version" as canon for now. I'm glad you played the cheats still though...I was wondering about those, and probably many other people did too! Downright helpful...maybe too helpful...what's the catch?
Handsy--we have reached peak retardation...this is as triple A big studio adult visual novel as I think we're going to get.