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[Illidan No Women 10000]

Wow, people have real discussion about hgame story?

 

[andreand]

Wow, people have real discussion about hgame story?

Do people discussing story in hgame with main genre corruption? Genre that fully depend on narration? N-nu... must be a wind.

 

[Illidan No Women 10000]

Do people discussing story in hgame with main genre corruption? Genre that fully depend on narration? N-nu... must be a wind.

Not to such extent, but sometimes they do.

 

[Thokeus]

Tbh the corruption tag on this game is kinda in a strange place, because yeah this game definitely has corruption as one of its major themes.... but not in the way hgames usually understand corruption.

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[andreand]

Not to such extent, but sometimes they do.

Nu-a-a. Corruption fully depends on narration. Cant imagine situation where corruption be without narration.

Tbh the corruption tag on this game is kinda in a strange place, because yeah this game definitely has corruption as one of its major themes.... but not in the way hgames usually understand corruption.

Hgames not persons, they cant understand concepts. You need to stop perceive everything in game as... I hate English language... as absolute truth. In Geena like in EDEN everything that happens in events... dont matter.
Helvetica transformed in statue? Dont matter. Shunka intellectually reduced to pig or even killed? Dont matter. Everyone in world became meatdolls? Dont matter. Damn, in EDEN one of events kill all party members(except priest). Dont matter.
Dont try rationalyse things that dont have impact in story, expecialy if author himself not trying to.

 

[Thokeus]

Hgames not persons, they cant understand concepts. You need to stop perceive everything in game as... I hate English language... as absolute truth. In Geena like in EDEN everything that happens in events... dont matter.
Helvetica transformed in statue? Dont matter. Shunka intellectually reduced to pig or even killed? Dont matter. Everyone in world became meatdolls? Dont matter. Damn, in EDEN one of events kill all party members(except priest). Dont matter.
Dont try rationalyse things that dont have impact in story, expecialy if author himself not trying to.

It's explicitely in the story too though, not just in events.

 

[Illidan No Women 10000]

Nu-a-a. Corruption fully depends on narration. Cant imagine situation where corruption be without narration.

I mean for real, people don't discuss lore of hgame that much on f95zone. As far as i saw. That's why i thought that it's surprising to see some people, talk about lore of this hgame. Which strikes fetishes of specific group of people

 

[badluckss6]

I mean for real, people don't discuss lore of hgame that much on f95zone. As far as i saw. That's why i thought that it's surprising to see some people, talk about lore of this hgame. Which strikes fetishes of specific group of people

This game have a good story. Without the hentai side, the game is still good and have a true story.
It is the same for MGQP.

 

[andreand]

It's explicitely in the story too though, not just in events.

Explicit what? That Shunka died and became zombie under control of necromancer? Im very interested where in game it has consequences on story.

I mean for real, people don't discuss lore of hgame that much on f95zone.

If people discus lore of game its mean people dont understand lore of game. Simple as it. Than more people discus, than more people belief in they own speculations, than more people discus, than more belief, than more discus. BS2 very good example.
Damn even my own words about Sheryl resetting time after every ending is speculations and can be not true. Game have facts but dont tell how this facts interact between themself.
Fact Lorina have child(Jean), fact Jean exist in possible futures, fact Shun(child of Sheryl) dont exist in possible futures, fact in EDEN Shun and Jean childhood friends, fact Lorina in game dont know that he has child, fact on one of demon endings Jean was summoned as one of heroes to defeat demonlord and "save" Sun God, fact my previos statement not fully true.
Bunch of fact that gives more questions.

This game have a good story. Without the hentai side, the game is still good and have a true story.

Ha-ha! Good joke, you need to be a comedian.
If look on game as one story then its very very bad story. If look on game as many separate h-story then its good. Its good porn game, non-debatable.

It is the same for MGQP.

Dont know about Paradox story, but like game, and like porn game, Paradox much worse.

 

[Thokeus]

Explicit what? That Shunka died and became zombie under control of necromancer? Im very interested where in game it has consequences on story.

It's explicit that all of them happen

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Damn even my own words about Sheryl resetting time after every ending is speculations and can be not true. Game have facts but dont tell how this facts interact between themself.

She does drop an item that reset time, including level/items, but increases Taboo. So she both says she does this *and* drops items that proves she can do it.

fact on one of demon endings Jean was summoned as one of heroes to defeat demonlord and "save" Sun God, fact my previos statement not fully true.
Bunch of fact that gives more questions.

Iirc they weren't summoned for the sun gods, but for Lolina. It was "save their dad" thing, iirc.

 

[andreand]

At first it's just "well, the ones in the demon routes still happen even if you don't take them I guess", and then it becomes "huh, there are secondary characters changing dialogs as if you had taken them even when you don't in Shunka route", and later on it's "oh, the reason we don't see the end with False founder end is because they are still playing coy, and the wriggle route makes it clear the False Founder end actually ended with Helveticka punching the false founder out of Shunka".

Its fully your fantasy. There was never stated that Helvetica can manipulate time, like realy WTF? False founder... for me who played with MTL its like name said nothing, but like tittle said too many. Masks, jizzo, stikers and others are false sects, and they own have they own guru/founder.
And False founder... posibly Legacy(god), posibly Maria, posibly thousand eyed god. Dont want talk about lore of right way, its to fucked for any clear statement.

She does drop an item that reset time, including level/items, but increases Taboo. So she both says she does this *and* drops items that proves she can do it.

1. Items can be founded in game if you have high taboo, so its tells nothing.
2. She is time witch, it was hinted multiple times. Its more evidence that she can manipulate time than some itemdrop.
3. If she can... it doesnt mean that she do. In game never was stated that she resets after endings. If she reset... when she resets? In one of demon ending Helvetica became demonlord and heroes team(without hero) come to defeat demonlord, like in EDEN, and do you know why i said "fact my previos statement not fully true"? Because... somewhere said that Jean and team was summoned?
When was reset? Why was reset? What was reset? To where was reset? Reset was at all? What does reset means?

irc they weren't summoned for the sun gods, but for Lolina. It was "save their dad" thing, iirc.

Its all cool, but... How Jean was born? When Jean was born? Last end of demon rout not answer because... many reason but bigest of them, Jean must exist in "bad end" to have... last demon rout end.

Than more people discus, than more people belief in they own speculations. Absurd.
Im just interested, you played EDEN?

 

[star12341]

Nu-a-a. Corruption fully depends on narration. Cant imagine situation where corruption be without narration.


Hgames not persons, they cant understand concepts. You need to stop perceive everything in game as... I hate English language... as absolute truth. In Geena like in EDEN everything that happens in events... dont matter.
Helvetica transformed in statue? Dont matter. Shunka intellectually reduced to pig or even killed? Dont matter. Everyone in world became meatdolls? Dont matter. Damn, in EDEN one of events kill all party members(except priest). Dont matter.
Dont try rationalyse things that dont have impact in story, expecialy if author himself not trying to.

Brain dead take. "You are engaging with media? stop that" - hard to imagine a dumber thing to say. 10/10.

 

[Pramaho42]

Where can you buy new personalities for the robot, slime, clown again?

 

[andreand]

Where can you buy new personalities for the robot, slime, clown again?

On graveyard on dark rout. Before first fight with Shunka "student". Haruka if remember correctly.
And on right endless dungeon.

 

[Thokeus]

Its fully your fantasy. There was never stated that Helvetica can manipulate time, like realy WTF? False founder... for me who played with MTL its like name said nothing, but like tittle said too many. Masks, jizzo, stikers and others are false sects, and they own have they own guru/founder.
And False founder... posibly Legacy(god), posibly Maria, posibly thousand eyed god. Dont want talk about lore of right way, its to fucked for any clear statement.

I never said she can manipulate time (though honestly it wouldn't be surprising), just that it's explicit that she can reverse whatever happens to company members.

1. Items can be founded in game if you have high taboo, so its tells nothing.
2. She is time witch, it was hinted multiple times. Its more evidence that she can manipulate time than some itemdrop.
3. If she can... it doesnt mean that she do. In game never was stated that she resets after endings. If she reset... when she resets? In one of demon ending Helvetica became demonlord and heroes team(without hero) come to defeat demonlord, like in EDEN, and do you know why i said "fact my previos statement not fully true"? Because... somewhere said that Jean and team was summoned?
When was reset? Why was reset? What was reset? To where was reset? Reset was at all? What does reset means?

As mentioned, Sherry flat out says she resets. It's not "never stated", she does say it.

The item she drops that reverse time is also unique to her. This game does a lot of "characters have unique drops that gives lore". This is how you learn who Lolina's mother is (though it's hinted at before), or that she takes her vampire bloodline from her mom, not her dad.

Its all cool, but... How Jean was born? When Jean was born? Last end of demon rout not answer because... many reason but bigest of them, Jean must exist in "bad end" to have... last demon rout end.

I don't think Jean exists in all timelines. We do get a lot more Jean/Lolina lore in the mask/false founder ending of Shunka's route, though.

Where can you buy new personalities for the robot, slime, clown again?

You need to get the key to the graveyard on the top of the above ground place in dark gathering (above where you fight Haruka the first time).

You find that key in the dungeon below after fighting haruka by purposefully falling in holes a few times.

 

[andreand]

I never said she can manipulate time (though honestly it wouldn't be surprising), just that it's explicit that she can reverse whatever happens to company members.

Lets play game, you give one example where stated/hinted that Helvetica reversed whatever happens to companion or herself, then I give example where nothing was reverse. Game mechanics like titles, traits, skill, in battle event, not counts. Map events counts.

As mentioned, Sherry flat out says she resets. It's not "never stated", she does say it.

Dont ignore my words. I repeat, in game never was stated that she resets AFTER endings. If she reset... when she resets? Somewhere was said that Jean and team was summoned? When was reset? Why was reset? What was reset? To where was reset? Reset was at all? What does reset means?
Its real questions.

The item she drops that reverse time is also unique to her.

Nope, its not, it can be find in world.

I don't think Jean exists in all timelines. We do get a lot more Jean/Lolina lore in the mask/false founder ending of Shunka's route, though.

Cool, but its not answer to my questions. How Jean was born? When Jean was born?
Jean exist in alternate timelines, Shun dont. How Jean was born? When Jean was born?

So... Do you played EDEN?

 

[Burner5]

Lets play game, you give one example where stated/hinted that Helvetica reversed whatever happens to companion or herself, then I give example where nothing was reverse. Game mechanics like titles, traits, skill, in battle event, not counts. Map events counts.

Wiggle route. Whole route is about Helvetica getting corrupted by Mari-Mari. She even corrupts Shunka and Lolina. The ending shows that the entire world were taken over before Helvetica quite easily reverses everything.

 

[Thokeus]

Lets play game, you give one example where stated/hinted that Helvetica reversed whatever happens to companion or herself, then I give example where nothing was reverse. Game mechanics like titles, traits, skill, in battle event, not counts. Map events counts.

As said, early on when Helveticka says "don't worry, not matter what happens it's fine" you just take it as the usual H story gal being foolish.

And then as the story progress, it becomes clear that it is in fact true. Demon route doesn't really show much of this as it's not needed, but Shunka route early on has Shunka being baffled that after having her soul wiped and body remodeled by her, Helveticka just... is not affected.

And then there is the wiggle route where it's flat out shown that no matter what happens, if Helveticka's soul is annhilated, if her body is made into puree and completely changed, no matter what, Helveticka just... need to sleep it off, and nothing whatsoever will ever touch her.

And she can reverse anything to anyone she cares to, as well.

Dont ignore my words. I repeat, in game never was stated that she resets AFTER endings. If she reset... when she resets? Somewhere was said that Jean and team was summoned? When was reset? Why was reset? What was reset? To where was reset? Reset was at all? What does reset means?
Its real questions.

Ingame it's stated that she resets after endings, just not "immediately" after.

Also, any ending where Shun is alive is not part of the world Sherry created, as said world was destroyed before she could save Shun, and instead it's when she time traveled a last time to her original world that Helveticka saved shun.

I'd also like to know where else you can find the item she drops. Trails?

 

[andreand]

Wiggle route. Whole route is about Helvetica getting corrupted by Mari-Mari. She even corrupts Shunka and Lolina. The ending shows that the entire world were taken over before Helvetica quite easily reverses everything.

Seriously? Wriggles? They literally parasites, Helvetica remove it with power of good health and herbal tea. Lorina even said that Helvetica now has antibody.

Okay.
Ashe Vore remodelling. Helvetica became seedbed, zero narrative impact.

 

[andreand]

...after having her soul wiped and body remodeled...

Soul too complicate thing to talk about it with confidence. Its Helvetica words not mine. In her world Helvetica with her lover can grow futa dick, so body remodelling for her not something new.

And then there is the wiggle route...

They literally parasites, for her they just cold. Some tea, some sleep and she like new.

Ingame it's stated that she resets after endings, just not "immediately" after.

That is a point, but I asking again. When? To where? And what does it mean?
Only reason for Sheryl to reset is: there is no heroes to summon, world utterly destroyed.