RPGM Completed Gehenna [Full Version] [Kemuriya]

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Thokeus said:
I'm also a bit confused at some of the lore, especially the time quartz and white rose stuff (I guess ROSE incoming game will tell us more there). I get the impression that maybe Time Quartz was brainwashed by Sherryl and then ended up being the boss you fight at the end of wriggle route + first fights of Sherryl bost fights?
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Before Helvetica Sheryl summon other heroes, on of them Quartz.

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As for Lolina, my impression is that in sherryl's original world Lolina went insane and killed Sherryl's husband and son. Sherryl then created a world designed to give her the power to ressurect them, and had alternate version of Lolina there.
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I played with machine translate so can be wrong, but... Sheryl and Lorina was in deal to fulfil they wishes(funny that they wishes was family related). Sheryls time powers and Lorinas bell(you can hear it every time on committing taboo or on 44 round of battle(you can find it as taboo item and use it in battle)) was used to find being with giant amount of power and use it for themself. Unendlessly until Sheryl change fate.
 
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andreand said:
Before Helvetica Sheryl summon other heroes, on of them Quartz.
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Yes, but like how we learn more and more stuff that might be about the prequel, the whole Time Quartz/White Rose /seems/ to be about the sequel ROSE, though that's quite unclear.

There is a lot of lore given about Quartz, but that lore is vague. We are told she fell because she chose to solve the issue at the heart of the world, and the midboss of the true end /seems/ to be a brainwashed ex heroine who might or might not be Time Quartz.

I played with machine translate so can be wrong, but... Sheryl and Lorina was in deal to fulfil they wishes(funny that they wishes was family related). Sheryls time powers and Lorinas bell(you can hear it every time on committing taboo or on 44 round of battle(you can find it as taboo item and use it in battle)) was used to find being with giant amount of power and use it for themself. Unendlessly until Sheryl change fate.
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Given Sherryl can manipulates our Lolina like a puppet as needed, this Lolina seems to be one she created like she created the world.

So my impression is that she created a Lolina as part of the world she created (like she created a Marsun).
 
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There is a lot of lore given about Quartz, but that lore is vague. We are told she fell because she chose to solve the issue at the heart of the world, and the midboss of the true end /seems/ to be a brainwashed ex heroine who might or might not be Time Quartz.
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You too many thinking about one of unknown how many summoned by Sheryl heroes. More strange story how Jean was born.

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Given Sherryl can manipulates our Lolina like a puppet as needed, this Lolina seems to be one she created like she created the world.

So my impression is that she created a Lolina as part of the world she created (like she created a Marsun).
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Dont remember not her creation of world, not manipulating Lorina like a puppet. Where it said/was?
 
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Thokeus said:
Maybe not Shunka, but definitely lolina, been a while.

The world the three main routes are on, though Wriggle might go beyond it, at least in the trails.
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The world what she makes is sun temple(4root). Just logically think, if Sheryl make world then she make:3...4...5 5 demon kings, dozens of gods and bunch extraterrestrial powers. With amount of power that need to make such world...well.
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andreand said:

The world what she makes is sun temple(4root). Just logically think, if Sheryl make world then she make:3...4...5 5 demon kings, dozens of gods and bunch extraterrestrial powers. With amount of power that need to make such world...well.
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It's not quite a epilogue, though you can take it like that.
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When she controls lolina (couldn't Shunka):
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andreand said:
Its or epilogue or "dream of dog". Depends how you see it.
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The reason I said "not quite a epilogue" is because
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The reason the end of the battle doesn't really matter for the ending (the third phase being won or lost) is
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As for the dialogs at the end, this might be a translation issue, but official translation is more like she wakes up for a nap being a bit hazy, receive a letter from sun goddess about sherry and that she has to hurry to mortal world, and it's clear that this Sherry is the one you just fought against but has time traveled to before her son is dead (but after Marsun is dead).

Re: the world not being quite right, it's not just Shunka, when you are in Demon route there is a mention that the "past world" is basically just a dream made just for Lolina. This is also while Lolina says that said Sun Goddess is the most perfect one to get, the Sherry aside after finishing Demon route for the first time was how this was a "defective goddess".
 
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So... I though that each world we go were worlds created by sherryl.
But it's not possible to be helvetica because she will remember doing this time and times again. So it must be time travel but... Sherryl said that Lolina is not the true lolina, she created it. And Lolina said multiple times suscipious things like "we are watched, I can't say more" or things like that. He knows that Sherryl is doing something and everything he does have no meaning.
 
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badluckss6 said:
So... I though that each world we go were worlds created by sherryl.
But it's not possible to be helvetica because she will remember doing this time and times again. So it must be time travel but... Sherryl said that Lolina is not the true lolina, she created it. And Lolina said multiple times suscipious things like "we are watched, I can't say more" or things like that. He knows that Sherryl is doing something and everything he does have no meaning.
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Of course its not true Lorina, Lorina became mad because of taboo that he committed. Its Lorina from past.
Damn by looking in editor I find out how many things I dont find.
 
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badluckss6 said:
So... I though that each world we go were worlds created by sherryl.
But it's not possible to be helvetica because she will remember doing this time and times again. So it must be time travel but... Sherryl said that Lolina is not the true lolina, she created it. And Lolina said multiple times suscipious things like "we are watched, I can't say more" or things like that. He knows that Sherryl is doing something and everything he does have no meaning.
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Basically Sherryl created a world that was designed for easy power accumulation, but even then it's limited... so what she does is time travel every time she finishes harvesting, incurring more and more and more Taboo.

Lolina is kind of a weird one because he kind of knows some of what is going on, but he also his version in this world is part of the world created by Sherry so he knows everything he does is useless to some measure. and he kind of accepted his part in it because he made an accord with Sherry after killing Marsun (you see Lolina discussin a promise he had with Sherry after killing Marsun).
 
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CandyKid said:
So I defeated Haruka in B2F, but what do I do now??
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You continue to go down - Shunka will warn you that there is a difficulty spike, so maybe do demon route for a bit, but if you are appropriate levels you need to go to the right.

It's not really visible so I actually took a really weird way to get there myself the first time, but you can go all to the right to a next zone when you are in the map Shunka warns you of the difficulty spike about.
 
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Thokeus said:
You continue to go down - Shunka will warn you that there is a difficulty spike, so maybe do demon route for a bit, but if you are appropriate levels you need to go to the right.

It's not really visible so I actually took a really weird way to get there myself the first time, but you can go all to the right to a next zone when you are in the map Shunka warns you of the difficulty spike about.
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im not sure what to do now, like I defeated Haruka there and I see that portal thing which brings me to the end of the world. Where do I go now? If I go up then there is nothing.

Im now at the Lolina route, I finished the first ending. Can someone tell me, is there a way to get the boss back? Or like whats going on - because that would also solve the Shunka route problem.

What options do I have? I would like to do all the endings myself and if possible not have to restart from scratch.
One more thing, whats with the taboo/karma thing - please do not answer if it doesnt really matter for me going for all the endings.
Oh one last question, whats with the red highlighted weapons?? Like what exaclty do the abilities from them do besides having a weird and unique interaction during a battle, like why are they red?
 
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CandyKid said:
im not sure what to do now, like I defeated Haruka there and I see that portal thing which brings me to the end of the world. Where do I go now? If I go up then there is nothing.
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Can you do a screenshot so I know what you are talking about in specific, I am unsure exactly where you are blocked.
Im now at the Lolina route, I finished the first ending. Can someone tell me, is there a way to get the boss back? Or like whats going on - because that would also solve the Shunka route problem.

What options do I have? I would like to do all the endings myself and if possible not have to restart from scratch.
One more thing, whats with the taboo/karma thing - please do not answer if it doesnt really matter for me going for all the endings.
Oh one last question, whats with the red highlighted weapons?? Like what exaclty do the abilities from them do besides having a weird and unique interaction during a battle, like why are they red?
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If you want more Lolina route endings I think you probably have to go up on the crossroad for a reset? I always went up rather than down myself, so I am unsure what happens if you do go down.
 
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CandyKid said:
m not sure what to do now, like I defeated Haruka there and I see that portal thing which brings me to the end of the world. Where do I go now? If I go up then there is nothing.
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Uon Shunka "special" rout, recommend complete it after all others. If u of course not rebuild mask that in tower, it make mask rout.

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Im now at the Lolina route, I finished the first ending. Can someone tell me, is there a way to get the boss back? Or like whats going on - because that would also solve the Shunka route problem.
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When you complete ending u send to "hall of heroes"(reborn room) after that u can chose to continue game or New Game+. If u continue u can complete bosses from other rout. But for new endings on completed routs you need NG+. Ending on what u are in Shunka rout dont send to "hall of heroes", u can only NG+.

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Oh one last question, whats with the red highlighted weapons?? Like what exaclty do the abilities from them do besides having a weird and unique interaction during a battle, like why are they red?
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They red cos of lore, no other reasons, no special interactions, use ability like u want. Witch amulet resets "turn count" to 0, moonkin bell set "turn count" to 44.
 
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