Xaoyu

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Dude, believe me, there is new content, I played the original game from De Gross, so there is something to compare with.
Of course, I wanted more content or completely completed branches, but... Guys and non-guys make the game out of pure enthusiasm and, in principle, I’m pleased that after so many years the game is being updated. In the Ru segment, the developers merged, so this is the only version that is adequately updated)
they do absolutely as they want, doesn't change the fact that in term of real content things haven't progress. The base of the game is still empty, just look at the direct family, the grandparents, the different hobbies club, the different jobs etc...

Part of dialog lines are added sporadically on random npc but that doesn't help with the gameplay loop (studies, work, family, hobbies) and it only concern you as a player if in your run you happen to be linked to that precise npc.

I saw that they put work on the university "recently" but how does that affect players if they don't have enough content to go throught the whole year of college first ?

Things are being done but, in my opinion at least, not what this kind of game needs to be focused on.

It's not a VN where you are just here to collect pictures that half the player base will just go watch in the img folder anyway without givin' 2cents to the "awesome" script.

I'm not trying to insult the devs, i'm just stating that as a player, from what i experienced, the game is stale for years, 'cause the base of the game isn't solid. And adding one scene for X and an other for Y once every 2 or 3 monthes won't change that as long as the chore gameplay isn't more developped.
 

Davkin

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I just discovered a new arc with Lariska's mom in the hotel teaching me about BDSM. Never discovered that before.

I wonder if there are any other BDSM arcs that I've not discovered. So far, I discovered the following:

1) therapist's arc. Seem to stop at "visiting him in hotel on Saturdays". Every Saturday it's the same.
2) Lariska's mom at the hotel Monday and Tuesday. I seem to have run into the end of it with a demo on bondage.
3) A student at Uni who I met at the sex shop. I can visit her at her dorm and get some content. But it seems there aren't a lot of content on that yet.
4) A lady I met in the mall who I can visit daily. I got to the point where I can decide to stick with her or leave.
5) BDSM club after leaving the lady in (4). Not a lot of content here.
6) The stay in maid arc. Can be trained by the lady (not a lot of content, mostly repeats). Can seduce the guy, but nothing else.
7) Niko whoring Svet. But this isn't really what I was looking for.
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8)something with Kat's mom. There seem to be a hint that she's a domme, but nothing in this arc yet.
9) same with Lariska's mom at her house.

It's greatly appreciated of the amazing work developers are doing for this game. Let me know if there are other BDSM arcs.
 

T7792

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I just discovered a new arc with Lariska's mom in the hotel teaching me about BDSM. Never discovered that before.

I wonder if there are any other BDSM arcs that I've not discovered. So far, I discovered the following:

1) therapist's arc. Seem to stop at "visiting him in hotel on Saturdays". Every Saturday it's the same.
2) Lariska's mom at the hotel Monday and Tuesday. I seem to have run into the end of it with a demo on bondage.
3) A student at Uni who I met at the sex shop. I can visit her at her dorm and get some content. But it seems there aren't a lot of content on that yet.
4) A lady I met in the mall who I can visit daily. I got to the point where I can decide to stick with her or leave.
5) BDSM club after leaving the lady in (4). Not a lot of content here.
6) The stay in maid arc. Can be trained by the lady (not a lot of content, mostly repeats). Can seduce the guy, but nothing else.
7) Niko whoring Svet. But this isn't really what I was looking for.
~~~
8)something with Kat's mom. There seem to be a hint that she's a domme, but nothing in this arc yet.
9) same with Lariska's mom at her house.

It's greatly appreciated of the amazing work developers are doing for this game. Let me know if there are other BDSM arcs.
Well, you missed where you can dom Natasha (nerd social group)
You can also become Christina's (later her brothers) pet. - I think this is being expanded or at least is planned to be
There is also the story where you get kidnapped from the car wash then trained and sold as a slave - There are a few different people you can be sold to, but the content basically stops after getting sold, and you return to the normal game shortly after, though you may need to buy your freedom.
I think the sex shop owner has a few scenes too.
The Mall lady has both a sub and a dom route
There is also the extreme S&M brothel on the highway outside of pav. - Your Sveta needs to be very keen on the M part of bdsm for that place
 

Alaratt

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Can you tell me more about accessing that ? Not for a friend, it's for me.
You can follow most of it using the journal quest hints in your journal. The first part seems to be confusing for people though. Basically Christina will randomly bully you at school. How you respond determines what can happen. If you let her do whatever she wants over several of these small events, eventually you will have the option to submit to her. You will have to talk to her during break to get the option to think about her. The journal should better guide you from that point. From there it starts the after gym shower stuff that will lead to her house. That's where you meet her brother.

The other way is to NOT let her have her way, get all the way to the point of fighting her, and LOSING. If you win the fight(or find blackmail on her and use it) the sub path will be stopped and the school bully events will stop.

Yes I do plan on expanding what is there and continuing the story, but RL caught up to me and I have been bogged down just trying to get the Anya parties revamped.
 

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I really wanted to test uncle Misha and Rex Party new content, but github was updated 4 months ago :( Looks like i need to wait until end of October
 

Nutluck

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they do absolutely as they want, doesn't change the fact that in term of real content things haven't progress. The base of the game is still empty, just look at the direct family, the grandparents, the different hobbies club, the different jobs etc...

Part of dialog lines are added sporadically on random npc but that doesn't help with the gameplay loop (studies, work, family, hobbies) and it only concern you as a player if in your run you happen to be linked to that precise npc.

I saw that they put work on the university "recently" but how does that affect players if they don't have enough content to go throught the whole year of college first ?

Things are being done but, in my opinion at least, not what this kind of game needs to be focused on.

It's not a VN where you are just here to collect pictures that half the player base will just go watch in the img folder anyway without givin' 2cents to the "awesome" script.

I'm not trying to insult the devs, i'm just stating that as a player, from what i experienced, the game is stale for years, 'cause the base of the game isn't solid. And adding one scene for X and an other for Y once every 2 or 3 monthes won't change that as long as the chore gameplay isn't more developped.
Again your statement is false. Jobs have been expanded, hobbies have been expanded.

Not a lot has been done with the family, but even there some of it has been expanded, some of it was even listed in the stuff I posted in the spoiler.

We made no secret for about the last 2 years our main focus has been on the Uni and more city content. But we still add content to other places. Also one of the people working on the family left due to RL and the other working on the family has had very limited time due to RL issues.

If you want to have a discussion and have suggestions that's fine. But stop making blatantly false statements and instead actually be constructive and say exactly what you feel the issue is, instead of vague statements of the base game is "stale".

So as someone that has a full time job and life, who puts about 10 hours of my free time a week into this game to make it better 100% for free, I do find it insulting when you keep making false statements. I am sure most of the other people working on the game who do this in their free time 100% for free likely feel the same way.

Now you have three choices.
1) Be constructive and point out exactly the type of stuff you would like to see, vague statements especially false ones doesn't help.
2) Offer to help, it is a community project, ask Kevin. Hey there is some area's in the game I feel is lacking that you guys are not working on, mind if I add to it?
3) If you don't like the game and you won't provide constructive criticism and you won't offer to help. If many hours of game play getting added every year for free and you feel the game is still "stale" in your eyes. Then maybe this isn't the game for you. Not all games are for everyone.
 

Nutluck

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I really wanted to test uncle Misha and Rex Party new content, but github was updated 4 months ago :( Looks like i need to wait until end of October
Misha stuff is in but I don't think Rex party is yet, Anya has been busy with RL and she is the one working on it. So I don't think she will get it finished in time for this update, as we will stop adding content and start bug fixing here in about a week. So we can get a release out by the end of the month.
 

Xaoyu

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It was a simple general perspective of someone who played this game with several years of interval.

But if you are interested in constructive and more concrete feedback and to stay coherent to what i said already, the point that for me seems the weakest, is the everyday gameplay cycle.

here's what Sveta life looks like :

16 or 17 years old

live with her parents

has two siblings

and has grandparents living in a near small village

go to college for at least one more year

need to win her own pocket money for hygiene and style

That's the base of the game : direct family, extended family, school and part time job. That's what Sveta will be dealing with every day.

Problem is that most of those offer either no content, like the grand parents and their village, or very few content like the mother and the sister, or a short and linear arc like the brother and the father in law (you try to seduce them or nothing happens).

Regarding the jobs. I don't have the stat but i guess the vast majority of players start with the hair salon where absolutely nothing happens, and the clinic cleaning where absolutely nothing happens. Then there was an interestting tentative with the waitress job at her mother place after she witness her cheating with her boss, but that was really barebones and almost nothing happens.

Then you have the Hotel job that is obviously the one where work has been put, but, nothing really happens in there if you don't play Sveta in a very straightforward way to say the least, like : "you see a man bounded to his bed with an erection. What do you do ? A/ you give him a blowjob B/ a Handjob C/ you leave" Those are not very subtle fillers (you even have access to those options when your morality is still very high). There is one thing to do in the hotel but it's only if you want to prostitute Sveta, so that's quite specific. The other thing is to be able to work as a personal maid for a rich family but it's for when you stop school.

The mailman job has some okayish event and some very wtf ones, but it doesn't go very far anyway.

After said that, for me the most important is to improve the gameplay loop regarding all of this while keeping in mind the point of the game. There are 3 main approach for this game : either Sveta is a slut from the start, some players don't care about the corruption they just want the sexy content now, or Sveta is slowly corrupted (which means she's not corrupted to begin with), and the last one is Sveta never slutify. But it's still a porn game so if Sveta doesn't fall for corruption, and therefore doesn't go after the sex content, then the sex content has to come to her (forced content)

What could improve this gameplay loop ? random events are always welcome, other than that you have long term objectives. If you are loyal enough they may recruit you as hairdresser at the salon, and it could open things to new events. At the clinic she could get seduced by doctors or harassed by patients etc whatever, there could be something good for her to win in return. Maybe a job promise as nurse for exemple or just some good pocket money.

The point is to always give the player the impression that what he's doing as a purpose to not make him feel that he's reach
a wall in term of concrete content.

So i think there need to be big long term Arks added to the main npc (family etc) and better and more subtle job system to keep the day to day gameplay relatively fresh and even enjoyable on the long run.

Sorry for the weird english.
 

HoodedSilence

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So i think there need to be big long term Arks added to the main npc (family etc) and better and more subtle job system to keep the day to day gameplay relatively fresh and even enjoyable on the long run.
There are other jobs, and the job management system was overhauled by a member who passed away that allows to track career migration and other stats. two or three jobs was migrated to the new system tour guide, photography gigs (which I am trying to debug) and I think the maid was done but not sure about the last. The system is in place it just needs people to add content and help migrate the existing jobs across. So if you want to add content with media as a volunteer feel free to jump on over to Discord and do not worry about English as we can proof the content.

jobs only really are important for city starts and if you start the school year in the summer as there is other content for evenings during school years to keep you busy.
 

Nutluck

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I will address your points one by one below

It was a simple general perspective of someone who played this game with several years of interval.
Fair enough but as I said, vague statements especially when they are not true when you said stuff like no content was added etc are just not helpful. Detailed like this post is much more helpful.

But if you are interested in constructive and more concrete feedback and to stay coherent to what i said already, the point that for me seems the weakest, is the everyday gameplay cycle.

here's what Sveta life looks like :

16 or 17 years old

live with her parents

has two siblings

and has grandparents living in a near small village

go to college for at least one more year
All true but the last part, she goes to secondary school or in some countries would be called high school. College aka Uni comes in the second year of the game and takes place in the city which is what we are focusing on the most right now.

need to win her own pocket money for hygiene and style

That's the base of the game : direct family, extended family, school and part time job. That's what Sveta will be dealing with every day.
This is helpful as it explains what you mean by "base" game, before it could have meant any number of things. Especially since we have different starts, some of which skip the whole first year and family content and starts in the city. So you can see why saying base game wasn't helpful.

Problem is that most of those offer either no content, like the grand parents and their village, or very few content like the mother and the sister, or a short and linear arc like the brother and the father in law (you try to seduce them or nothing happens).
The grandparents and the village is all old original ETO content that has never really been done to much with. We have had a few people work on it but they all poofed before really doing much.

The sister has a fair bit especially when you add in the Rex party content which is being revamped and as I mentioned to someone else likely won't make this release but hopefully next. The family is being worked on, but half the people working on the family left and the other half has had a lot of RL stuff going on and her time is very limited so the family has not gotten a lot of new stuff. Some new bio dad and brother stuff, a little sister stuff etc but not a lot of late.

I will say the school though has by far the most content in the whole game. There is likely as much content in the pav school as the rest of the game combined.

Regarding the jobs. I don't have the stat but i guess the vast majority of players start with the hair salon where absolutely nothing happens, and the clinic cleaning where absolutely nothing happens. Then there was an interestting tentative with the waitress job at her mother place after she witness her cheating with her boss, but that was really barebones and almost nothing happens.
I have no clue what the most common job is, but at a guess by comments on our discord I would say it is likely modeling.

Then you have the Hotel job that is obviously the one where work has been put, but, nothing really happens in there if you don't play Sveta in a very straightforward way to say the least, like : "you see a man bounded to his bed with an erection. What do you do ? A/ you give him a blowjob B/ a Handjob C/ you leave" Those are not very subtle fillers (you even have access to those options when your morality is still very high). There is one thing to do in the hotel but it's only if you want to prostitute Sveta, so that's quite specific. The other thing is to be able to work as a personal maid for a rich family but it's for when you stop school.
Most of the jobs are just there for you to earn money to do other stuff. They are not really designed to be story arcs, they have some small events to make them more interesting but that is not their intent. In depth jobs are planned but not at this time. Some of the jobs like the maid job is designed to be done after Pav School and they tend to have more content because you don't have the pav school to attend.

While living with your parents in pavlovsk the school is the main hub for content, that is a design choice.

The mailman job has some okayish event and some very wtf ones, but it doesn't go very far anyway.
As mentioned above most of the part time jobs are not meant to be indepth game play hubs, that is what the school is for. They are just there to earn money to be able to afford to do stuff and we add in some events to make them a little more interesting instead of just clicking work and getting paid.

After said that, for me the most important is to improve the gameplay loop regarding all of this while keeping in mind the point of the game. There are 3 main approach for this game : either Sveta is a slut from the start, some players don't care about the corruption they just want the sexy content now, or Sveta is slowly corrupted (which means she's not corrupted to begin with), and the last one is Sveta never slutify. But it's still a porn game so if Sveta doesn't fall for corruption, and therefore doesn't go after the sex content, then the sex content has to come to her (forced content)
There is many ways beyond just three to play. I know we have people that play the ugly duckling start just so they can do the ugly to beautiful trope. Some play to be sluts, some to be corrupted, some want to see how long they can stay pure, some go for slutting it up as much as they can without become a outcast slut, dancing that line.

GL has no one way to play, it is designed for the player to pick how they want to play and then see how it goes. GL is very much a sandbox, we provide the tools and lots of small content of a wide variety and then it is up to the player to make their story and live the life of Sveta aka the MC. Think of it like a text based porn parody of The Sims and that is basicly what GL is and is designed to me.

What could improve this gameplay loop ? random events are always welcome, other than that you have long term objectives. If you are loyal enough they may recruit you as hairdresser at the salon, and it could open things to new events. At the clinic she could get seduced by doctors or harassed by patients etc whatever, there could be something good for her to win in return. Maybe a job promise as nurse for exemple or just some good pocket money.
I will comment more on jobs at the end.

The point is to always give the player the impression that what he's doing as a purpose to not make him feel that he's reach
a wall in term of concrete content.

So i think there need to be big long term Arks added to the main npc (family etc) and better and more subtle job system to keep the day to day gameplay relatively fresh and even enjoyable on the long run.
Most of the big story arcs are part of the pav school and pav school kids not the family. More of that is coming, more Anya aka sister stuff is almost done and a complete revamp of her party story arc is nearly done, though I doubt it makes this release, because of RL of the person writing it as mentioned already.

Sorry for the weird english.
It was easy enough to understand.

So some comments so you better understand what is going on with the game and why.
We have a long term over all roadmap. We are basically building the game in stages with different focuses, as we go broken up by years of the game, but that doesn't mean we don't work on stuff early or later. So in year 1 focus we still do other stuff for the other years but the main focus will be on what that year is.

So the roadmap is
Year 1 - Pav school, school kids, random events around Pav, family
Year 2 - transition to the uni, some of the pav kids stories updated and then moved to the uni, adding in degree's classes etc and filling out the uni
Year 3 - focus on filling out the uni, more classes, degree's, and expanding the uni students/professors story arcs
Year 4 - Same as year 3 only adding to the next year
Year 5 - Same as above.
Year 6 - Post school years, either post Uni or post pav if the Uni is skipped, main focus will be on expanding the jobs, giving them a lot more depth, adding NPC's to them that you can do story arcs with etc
Year 7 - Long term relationship, marriage, furthering career/job
Year 8 - Starting a family of your own, having kids and expanding career/job

The years are years of the game, not years we are working on it, long term we are looking at GL to take 8+ in game years to play eventually.

We are currently working on year 2 of the above. So of the things you are asking for only the family is a priority at the moment and it is slow going, but as I said that is mainly because the two people working on the family have had real life issues, one left the team and the other has very limited time.

Myself I mostly work on the pav school, pav school kids, uni, uni school kids. Different writers focus on different stuff, but because we do this for free in limited free time. Most people do what they have idea's and passion for, because it is fun that way and doesn't feel like work. Which means unlike many games with a patreon and the devs do them for a living, we have a much more shotgun approach and stuff gets added each release that someone had a good idea for and wrote it for fun.

So all I can say is what you are asking for will be added, though the indepth job stuff not for some time and the family stuff is just slow going at the moment.
 

Davkin

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Well, you missed where you can dom Natasha (nerd social group)
You can also become Christina's (later her brothers) pet. - I think this is being expanded or at least is planned to be
There is also the story where you get kidnapped from the car wash then trained and sold as a slave - There are a few different people you can be sold to, but the content basically stops after getting sold, and you return to the normal game shortly after, though you may need to buy your freedom.
I think the sex shop owner has a few scenes too.
The Mall lady has both a sub and a dom route
There is also the extreme S&M brothel on the highway outside of pav. - Your Sveta needs to be very keen on the M part of bdsm for that place
Ahh thanks. I'm mostly looking for the submissive paths.

  • For Natasha, I seem to hit the wall after forcing her to have sex with the brother.
  • I didn't know about Christina's brother. Will try that out.
  • Need to try the kidnap part. Not sure how to access it.
  • For the SM brothel, how do I get Sveta's M status up?

I also discovered:
1) if you tease the priest enough, he spanks you. But that's it, nothing beyond that.
2) sun bathing naked triggered Sveta getting blackmailed by a stranger to become their sex slave.
3) i vaguely remember a spanking scene for the tour guide job if you goof off enough.
 

T7792

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Ahh thanks. I'm mostly looking for the submissive paths.

  • For Natasha, I seem to hit the wall after forcing her to have sex with the brother.
  • I didn't know about Christina's brother. Will try that out.
  • Need to try the kidnap part. Not sure how to access it.
  • For the SM brothel, how do I get Sveta's M status up?

I also discovered:
1) if you tease the priest enough, he spanks you. But that's it, nothing beyond that.
2) sun bathing naked triggered Sveta getting blackmailed by a stranger to become their sex slave.
3) i vaguely remember a spanking scene for the tour guide job if you goof off enough.
With Nat there are a few other (or one, I'm not sure) people you can get her to have sex with and a cucumber. You used to be able to get her pregnant with your brother's child, but I think that may have been removed to reduce problems with the game structure, so slave Nat can be in the same places as non-slave Nat without needing to work around a pregnancy/baby.

For the kidnap, you need to offer an extra, er... spit shine... but do not swallow. Any car wash site should work, you may need to be in revealing clothes, but I am unsure.

The SM brothel, It's not about a stat, and you can start it from day one in game, it's just, well, fairly extreme. If you are not RPing a real masochist, then it may be too much. To find it, go out onto the highway, find the hotel (not the one near the market), go to the bar and drink yourself into oblivion... if you wake up in skyrim you drank too much.

As for the church, there are more pics in the game files, but I have not done that content.

If you have not tried it, you may like the WLife mod, it is not getting new content, but it has a fair amount, and it is being kept up-to-date for GL versions. One of the two pimp brothers in that mod use Sveta for their own twisted fun, and there are a few scenes with the pimp's sister that are defiantly bdsm. The mod can be found on the TFGames site and on the discord, it's pined in the mods channel.
 

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...Now you have three choices.
1) Be constructive and point out exactly the type of stuff you would like to see, vague statements especially false ones doesn't help...
This answer was not for me, but.. I would like to know if there will be more content with Marcus, Olu and other black guys?

There is also a cool mod Wlife for the game, maybe it should be integrated into the main game? Of course, it is not fully realized and seems to be abandoned, but incredibly cool.
 

Nutluck

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This answer was not for me, but.. I would like to know if there will be more content with Marcus, Olu and other black guys?

There is also a cool mod Wlife for the game, maybe it should be integrated into the main game? Of course, it is not fully realized and seems to be abandoned, but incredibly cool.
For the part I bolded and underlined the answers are
Yes, most likely at some point but no current plans, and yes.

When I can't say, maybe next update, just depends on how things go.

Part of it already was, which parts I honestly don't know. I wasn't involved in porting it over and I don't know how much of it will be ported over. Kevin might know.
 

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For the part I bolded and underlined the answers are
Yes, most likely at some point but no current plans, and yes.

When I can't say, maybe next update, just depends on how things go.

Part of it already was, which parts I honestly don't know. I wasn't involved in porting it over and I don't know how much of it will be ported over. Kevin might know.
The prostitution has been added but none of the actual story line. The bus to the second part of it is not active as that part is not fully working. It doesn't look like it'll be ready for this release.
 

Alaratt

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Lariska is just unjustifiably cute. I love her.
Thanks! I had a lot of fun making her stuff. She will get more content once the nursing degree starts getting added to the UNI.

I believe it will be the next degree to be added. Lariska and Albina are currently planned to do that degree and will both get UNI content then, along with some new npcs.
 
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