Others Abandoned Glamour [v0.57] [Dark Silver]

[expelled_user]

Why isn't the game moved to ren'py?
Firstly, the dev never wanted to use this engine, as he didn't want it to be pirated, it's no wonder that he makes the updates available after one or two months, because he would know that the game would be posted here as happened with Big Brother,
but that's not a reason he didn't do it in the ren'py engine, really, if he was making his version available for free on his page he could have gone to renpy. But the electron engine wasn't that bad, remembering that the game had few bugs, but these sandbox games will always have bugs, there was a Karen bug that made it impossible to proceed.

Why doesn't anyone try to remake it or try to port it to renpy?
This game is boring to make, plus the Patreon rules are getting more overwhelming, making devs no longer creative or making creativity difficult. DS's intention was perhaps to make Kate a prostitute, you can see this in several events, for example she starts working at the hotel, she is raped by Neil (yes she was kind of forced) I think that content broke the immersion of things a little, because Kate wasn't ready to have her ass fucked, so there was no way she could refuse and Neil started penetrating her. Let's get away from this subject, now let's talk about Lien's content, she would start giving erotic massages and then she would also have sex, it was content that DS left for later and practically forgot about it. Everything DS was doing felt like he was swimming against the tide, because he was doing things one at a time and his audience wasn't understanding.
I believe that with anatomy classes there could be prostitution at the college, but that's where I say things get difficult. First, having to deal with the public is bad. There will always be people complaining about NTR and so on. The latest updates were of Jane, Ruby and maybe Helen being fucked by Lucas and Oscar, not to mention that Kate would be giving Andrew a blowjob (there are two events, one in the bathroom and the other in the classroom). So I believe that DS already had some plans but maybe not all of them would be working, or that he didn't have any tricks to show. His last update would be the "Show Cam" with Julia, Kate and Alice, where the girls would start earning money by showing their tits, getting fucked by machine sex, etc., it's a less interesting idea, so that's where he stopped, he didn't even show the cg, he said he was going to move his game to Steam and then disappeared, but he warned that he would be abandoning it.

I saw a lot of people complaining that DS didn't do animations, but he couldn't. First, he worked with two laptops, laptops are inferior to desktops, he had a laptop because he and his team lived in rented accommodation and as he said, because of the war they moved since they ran away from military service. Anyway, it may be an excuse but I don't believe they made excuses,
there was no reason for them to lie. So creating animations takes some time, they could do it but it takes time, hours or even days depending on the frames.

Why is no one interested in passing the game to renpy?
Because it's not necessary and it's a waste of time, the game hasn't been completed, so there's no point in wasting all the time to pass the game on to renpy. Besides, I think if someone were to make a fan made of this game they'd have more headaches than any other. First, it's very tiring, secondly, it's difficult to get interested, thirdly, the demanding public.
"Put Kate to fuck with 3 guys" then another comment appears "I don't like group content", "put bukkake", another comment "I don't like bukkake", this is hell.

 

[michel.gellar7]

Thanks Bashee for this VERY complete and quality answer!

I get why they didn't use Renpy, but I still hope there could be remake on it.
Even if the game isn't complete, there is a LOT of content already and it deserves to be extended. I usually hear that "Another BB remake, please kill me...". But there's a reason to that. Those are amongst the greatest games ever. Period.
Glamour is with Milfy City the AAA games of the kind.

For non Windows users, another engine then Renpy is unplayable. But I also hear that their engines download data from the users PC. So for more platform compatibility, security features, and remake projects, going to renpy should be a great thing.
Since all the visual assets are available, it would be an hard but rewarding project to trasnfer it in renpy.

Thanks again for you complete answer and I'll keep dreaming of a remake on renpy

 

[Snugglepuff]

I get why they didn't use Renpy

It started on Unity, just like Big Brother and the original Glamour. It's what where the most experience in making something was, not Ren'Py.

Why isn't the game moved to ren'py?
Firstly, the dev never wanted to use this engine

It started in Unity, just like Big Brother and Glamour (original) before it.

as he didn't want it to be pirated, it's no wonder that he makes the updates available after one or two months, because he would know that the game would be posted here as happened with Big Brother

Seeing as in the beginning all saves were stored on his server instead of player computers and required a patreon account, that's a silly thing to say. It could only have become an issue from 0.9 onward when the first "offline version" was released. Which boosted his patron numbers and money, and only after almost a year since they'd stopped work on BB.
Also, the two-month disparity between the online and offline versions ceased to be an issue after the change from Unity... Which was literally one update after the version that was dedicated to bugfixing and nothing else. Funnily enough, the bugs that were fixed in that version, were no longer fixed after the engine change a month later!

but that's not a reason he didn't do it in the ren'py engine

It wasn't done in Ren'Py because they'd never used it for their games before. Simple.

Why is no one interested in passing the game to renpy?

There's no real demand for it, and this Glamour isn't as well known/regarded as BB was. Ironic, given the inclusion of a BB remake into it before finishing the "original remake" with Kate.

"Put Kate to fuck with 3 guys" then another comment appears "I don't like group content", "put bukkake", another comment "I don't like bukkake", this is hell.

To be fair, that's got nothing to do with remaking/porting anything, and everything to do with whining bitches will be whining bitches.
Same thing happens across pretty much all the game threads, and probably the art/comics/animation threads too.

 

[PornGodNoob]

I'll keep dreaming of a remake on renpy

I'll put my five cents in. Why no one makes a port on Ren'Py.
My last post - https://f95zone.to/threads/glamour-v0-57-dark-silver.10579/post-12864535
- As said above, not many people need it
- Electron engine.
- It would be very difficult to understand the code and how everything works.
- Nobody will do it for free, and nobody will pay for it either.
So forget about RenPy version of this game. There is of course fan game about Kate, but there is not a port.

 

[expelled_user]

It started on Unity, just like Big Brother and the original Glamour. It's what where the most experience in making something was, not Ren'Py.



It started in Unity, just like Big Brother and Glamour (original) before it.



Seeing as in the beginning all saves were stored on his server instead of player computers and required a patreon account, that's a silly thing to say. It could only have become an issue from 0.9 onward when the first "offline version" was released. Which boosted his patron numbers and money, and only after almost a year since they'd stopped work on BB.
Also, the two-month disparity between the online and offline versions ceased to be an issue after the change from Unity... Which was literally one update after the version that was dedicated to bugfixing and nothing else. Funnily enough, the bugs that were fixed in that version, were no longer fixed after the engine change a month later!



It wasn't done in Ren'Py because they'd never used it for their games before. Simple.



There's no real demand for it, and this Glamour isn't as well known/regarded as BB was. Ironic, given the inclusion of a BB remake into it before finishing the "original remake" with Kate.



To be fair, that's got nothing to do with remaking/porting anything, and everything to do with whining bitches will be whining bitches.
Same thing happens across pretty much all the game threads, and probably the art/comics/animation threads too.

My text is long but I wanted to summarize everything that happens, yes, the first versions of Glamour were Unity and the game was different, then it started to change. You had to connect to their servers if I'm not mistaken and log into a Patreon account, the game was completely online after update 0.9 it started to change. Logically, it is notable that BB was so successful because of the incest, in that year, there were few games that had good graphics to be played. The BB was from the year 2017, so we can separate the games from that year with games from 2016, 2015... today we find fantastic games with more advanced graphics, this is because GPUs are constantly updated and have more graphic power, furthermore, at that time everyone used Genesis 3 models and today everyone uses Genesis 8 and some risk using Genesis 9 (few).
I have experience with the Genesis 9 and I can tell you this, I don't see many games with G9 models anyway, After BB, other games began to appear and BB began to be forgotten, games that had better graphics and also animations, you see Milfy City for example, one of the first games that used animations, the developer was more present at the beginning and the success was so great that soon after he began to disappear from time to time, I need to tell you that reading comments from the public is tiring, it depends on the comment, most of the time it's non-constructive criticism like "Is the girl going to fuck a black guy? Put this in" there will always be comments like that, without any sense.

Leaving this subject aside, today you see developers who have a large team, look at the case of FreshWoman, they have a team of 27 people and they work in a rented office with 27 computers, it's no wonder they make great motion animation, so most people don't understand, they see that game and think any developer can do it, GPUs are expensive, not all of them can do animations, it takes time if you use an average GPU, if you use a weak GPU you will do "Bad Bobby Saga" style animations that even if they are bad take a long time to do, each animation takes around 52 to 222 frames, depending on the animation and each frame is X minutes or hours.

Anyway, to wrap it up, I remember that when Glamour came out, some people already labeled the game as "outdated" because the game didn't have animations, other people complained that the game didn't have music or any sound, people also don't know that games need to be careful with copyright, that if for example you sell your game on itch.io you will have to remove melodies that contain copyright, of course DS and his team could create their own melodies, there are many music software and even in the latest updates he made a poll saying he would put them in but everyone already knows the result, he gave up on the project and abandoned it.

 

[expelled_user]

Thanks Bashee for this VERY complete and quality answer!

I get why they didn't use Renpy, but I still hope there could be remake on it.
Even if the game isn't complete, there is a LOT of content already and it deserves to be extended. I usually hear that "Another BB remake, please kill me...". But there's a reason to that. Those are amongst the greatest games ever. Period.
Glamour is with Milfy City the AAA games of the kind.

For non Windows users, another engine then Renpy is unplayable. But I also hear that their engines download data from the users PC. So for more platform compatibility, security features, and remake projects, going to renpy should be a great thing.
Since all the visual assets are available, it would be an hard but rewarding project to trasnfer it in renpy.

Thanks again for you complete answer and I'll keep dreaming of a remake on renpy

I already said, it's a problematic game and the public is demanding. Just look at BB's audience and what people always ask for.
It's also difficult for the public to be attracted by playing like a FC, even more so if the public is filled with spam (make Kate like a prostitute, do this, do that, I like this, I like that) the developer never manages to work. The DS made a mistake by having its biggest paying audience "manage" its game, choose what you want and I'll do it, this made people put their hands on the game and chose what they wanted, the result was catastrophic and who took all the blame? DS itself.


Unfortunately, you will have to wait for the game to be transferred to Renpy until the day you die, as the comment above and as I have already said, it is not worth it, it is a waste of time and no one will pay for it.

Only DS has its assets, so it is impossible for anyone to try to continue its project, only it can continue. No one will do it for free and no one will pay for it, it's pure headache.
Anyway, there are few FC games that are successful, just look a little deeper here on the site and look for.

 

[Snugglepuff]

it is notable that BB was so successful because of the incest, in that year, there were few games that had good graphics to be played. The BB was from the year 2017, so we can separate the games from that year with games from 2016, 2015... today we find fantastic games with more advanced graphics

Not just because of the incest, no. That was picking up on the rising trend, but it was the quality of the imagery and models that was key.
For 2017 3DCG porn games, it was one the best. However, that standard was quickly surpassed and Glamour only matched it in terms of overall image quality, which put it behind many.

this is because GPUs are constantly updated and have more graphic power, furthermore, at that time everyone used Genesis 3 models and today everyone uses Genesis 8 and some risk using Genesis 9 (few).

The performance of GPUs is less related in terms of the image quality, and more to do with what DAZ was capable of combined with the skills of the individual using it.

After BB, other games began to appear and BB began to be forgotten

It wasn't exactly forgotten, just surpassed in relatively short time. It being DS's second abandoned game did not help.

games that had better graphics and also animations, you see Milfy City for example, one of the first games that used animations, the developer was more present at the beginning and the success was so great that soon after he began to disappear from time to time

ICSTOR's games prior to Milfy City were of roughly equal in the visual department to BB, but ICSTOR also finished more games than DS has.
Given that DS has abandoned 3/3 games, that's not saying much, but ICSTOR completed a half-dozen games prior Milfy City alone. That's why Milfy City going On Hold then seemingly abandoned was pretty shocking. He'd been a reliable and consistent developer, whilst DS had never been.

I need to tell you that reading comments from the public is tiring, it depends on the comment, most of the time it's non-constructive criticism like "Is the girl going to fuck a black guy? Put this in" there will always be comments like that, without any sense.

Like I said, whining bitches will be whining bitches.

Anyway, to wrap it up, I remember that when Glamour came out, some people already labeled the game as "outdated" because the game didn't have animations, other people complained that the game didn't have music or any sound, people also don't know that games need to be careful with copyright, that if for example you sell your game on itch.io you will have to remove melodies that contain copyright, of course DS and his team could create their own melodies, there are many music software and even in the latest updates he made a poll saying he would put them in but everyone already knows the result, he gave up on the project and abandoned it.

Lack of music, sound or animation certainly wasn't what made it outdated.
Basically the same level of visual quality as BB, worse grinding to the point of being a literal click-fest for almost everything in the game, and that was all before 0.12 introduced (nearly a full year after the thread here was created) the BB remake and basically just "the same shit as before" which got worse with the BB remake... Inside another remake.

Adding a BB remake into the Glamour remake, when there were already seemingly a dozen different fan-remakes and rip-offs, just to claw back patrons DS had lost from the year before with BB was another terrible mismanagement on DS's part.
Broken promises, continual exaggeration of update sizes, repeating the same patterns from BB's development and abandonment (including never finishing some side-plots and having high-tier patrons decide the course of the next release's development), and that's long before abandoning this.

He may have had given objectively good reasons, but then again he did the same with BB...

Being kind, you could say DS had ambitions that outstreched his reach.
Being objective and honestly examing his patterns of behaviour and development though, and abandoning the double-remake was a predictable outcome. If anything, the only good thing the BB remake did was to artificially extend the development lifespan of Glamour, since he had something "new"/"different" to spoon out each month that wasn't Glamour.

 

[BigRedRadio]

I'll put my five cents in. Why no one makes a port on Ren'Py.
My last post - https://f95zone.to/threads/glamour-v0-57-dark-silver.10579/post-12864535
- As said above, not many people need it
- Electron engine.
- It would be very difficult to understand the code and how everything works.
- Nobody will do it for free, and nobody will pay for it either.
So forget about RenPy version of this game. There is of course fan game about Kate, but there is not a port.

You might check out Kates Story which is a Glamour spin off focusing on Kate and the Bondage club I believe that's in Ren'Py

 

[Bust Lover]

How can i finish these quests? I m playing v.55.2. 1.Smoking 2.Yoga. 3.Consequences

 

[Victor Yeon]

Did Dark Silver die on the Russian-Ukrainian battlefield?

 

[Priappus]

Did Dark Silver die on the Russian-Ukrainian battlefield?

more likely Max haters killed him.

 

[Snugglepuff]

more likely Max haters killed him.

And so it was, the glorious alliance of Eric Haters and Max Haters united to end once and for all, their true enemy...

 

[omegashrn]

Funny, I saw big brother notification in my alerts, remembered he was working it in another game. Come to find this one is also abandoned, what a shame. Was one of my favorites.

 

[Skazitel]

Funny, I saw big brother notification in my alerts, remembered he was working it in another game. Come to find this one is also abandoned, what a shame. Was one of my favorites.

Silver pushed Max where he needed it and where he didn’t need it, and finally got it. Having already requested the third project

 

[Priappus]

Did Dark Silver die on the Russian-Ukrainian battlefield?

He is the one who killed Dark Silver.

 

[Family Fun]

I really liked this game and was sorry to see it go.
I'm very impressed with the graphics. I've downloaded various assets and tried to make my own story in DAZ with these characters although unrelated to BB itself. I just haven't had the patience to figure it out.

 

[BigRedRadio]

I really liked this game and was sorry to see it go.
I'm very impressed with the graphics. I've downloaded various assets and tried to make my own story in DAZ with these characters although unrelated to BB itself. I just haven't had the patience to figure it out.

There is a glamour (and big brother) asset thread that will probably help

 

[Family Fun]

There is a glamour (and big brother) asset thread that will probably help

Yes and no. My biggest challenge is lighting, cameras and patience.

I found the pages below but when I load the assets into DAZ it doesn't look the same. I get frustrated and the idea of making 10,000 poses makes me give up. I don't have to do all in one day but I give up anyway and tell myself I'll make my game when the technology gets to be easier to use.

https://f95zone.to/threads/big-brother-art-assets.3733/
https://f95zone.to/threads/big-brother-fan-art.3950/post-2405514

 

[BigRedRadio]

Yes and no. My biggest challenge is lighting, cameras and patience.

I found the pages below but when I load the assets into DAZ it doesn't look the same. I get frustrated and the idea of making 10,000 poses makes me give up. I don't have to do all in one day but I give up anyway and tell myself I'll make my game when the technology gets to be easier to use.

https://f95zone.to/threads/big-brother-art-assets.3733/
https://f95zone.to/threads/big-brother-fan-art.3950/post-2405514

Ahh, that is a trickier issue I know there's some seemingly decent courses on you tube but if you've no patience for the task that's going to trickier

 

[jakewang]

When will this game come back? anybody know?