Others Going Deeper [Beta 2.1] [NRFB Games]

[Rosen King]

So I'm once again sleep deprived while doing this, but here's my notes on the latest update:

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Edit: Just hit a nasty crash while attacking a Heart-Seeking Imp. Dunno what happened, but some sound effect went "Ha-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a" until the game crashed. Edit 2: The imp came from a box. I think there was something in the changelog about enemies showing up in rooms they hadn't been in before? Maybe it's related to that.

Edit 3: Another crash, this time against a bat girl, although it didn't do the same sound bug. I didn't see its modifier, but I did notice that both of these crashes occurred when two knights were fighting the same enemy in a room together.

 

[NRFB]

...Having a hard time figuring out how I could fall for the trap while already in a trance, given that any activation resets the timer, and you can't move a tranced knight from one room into another. The only method I can think would be the Suggestive curse, but I doubt that's intended to be the *only* way to trigger the event.

Ally gets hit by trance -> can't do anything to disarm trap -> trap rearms before trance ends -> ally gets hit while in trance
Shouldn't this be the default case? Unless I got the numbers wrong.

NRFB: "How did the conversation turn to FEH? ... [Quietly adds Vantage to the game]"

And Fury (although it works different in a couple of ways).

Hmm... Not liking how the "change special skill" list looks, though it's probably just unfinished. It currently just looks like a glitch cutting into other UI elements.

I also don't like it that much. Originally the drop down list would appear by clicking the skill icon in the scroll above the skill list, but there was no good place to tutorialize that so I had to add something more obvious.

Perhaps some quicker way to activate interactions like Nurse would be nice, or at least set it to automatically trigger every turn after activation until it's stopped. I tried helping one of my knights rest in half the time, but it felt significantly slower on my end because of needing to manually trigger it each time Lucette's turn came up.

I did think about something like this, though it felt finnicky since there are some interaction skills you would definitely want to trigger very often and some you would want to be much more selective about. Dunno.

Hmm, also, it seems to have activated despite not meeting the criteria. It says it triggers when you use the special skill more than once between rests, but I'm pretty sure I only used it the one time.

I'll look at it

Uh... That doesn't seem right. Why is this flower so invincible? EDIT: It's the "Guarded" effect. It "increases armor by the number of turns remaining in its effect", which I'm guessing isn't *supposed* to be taken as literally as it ended up being.

Well that's a problem.

 

[Rosen King]

Ally gets hit by trance -> can't do anything to disarm trap -> trap rearms before trance ends -> ally gets hit while in trance
Shouldn't this be the default case? Unless I got the numbers wrong.

Oh, I accidentally had the "Clarification" spell equipped, which pretty much guaranteed that the trance would end before the trap rearmed. I was thinking those were the default numbers.

 

[NRFB]

I'll probably put this out more officially later with more fixes as I find them but for now you can load this as a mod to fix:

• A bug that was causing the Masturbation Compulsion effect to trigger itself infinitely when the Idle Hands curse triggered, crashing the game. (this might have applied in other situations where a character was compelled to masturbate. I'm not entirely sure. It was found due to a report on Idle Hands, in any case)
• Flower girls becoming invincible (this just disables the associated events)

 

[teddidiah]

Good game, moooostly neat art although some of the stills of the cast look a little "doughy 3D model put through a filter." My only complaint is that you didn't lean in on and and have the PC have a quantified, feminine gender so it was a big 'ole holy sapphic orgy, but I get it.

 

[NRFB]

Good game, moooostly neat art although some of the stills of the cast look a little "doughy 3D model put through a filter."

Well the other options would be either me having to entirely rely on AI being consistent in character appearance (tech isn't really there to make this convenient yet afaik), or people need to be giving me a lot more money to throw at artists. I think I've done pretty decently, but I don't call myself an artist, and don't really take offense to this.

My only complaint is that you didn't lean in on and and have the PC have a quantified, feminine gender so it was a big 'ole holy sapphic orgy, but I get it.

Man, honestly you're probably right. Kinda sucks honestly.

Reasons why only Female inquisitor would be better:

• I wouldn't have to make a bunch of text wildcards to make sure the characters always refer to the inquisitor with the right gender
• I wouldn't have to write any and every sex scene that involves the inquisitor directly twice
• I wouldn't have to make as many CG images
• There would be a lot more general appeal toward the idea of submissive protag stuff happening
• I could be less generic on the inquisitor's personality/reason for doing things/backstory
• There would be less inherent expectation of things eventually leading to full harem
• There would be less worry about people crying out over NTR if/when more involved sexual scenarios that don't involve the inquisitor happen to the knights

Reasons to not go ahead and remove Male inquisitor now:

• Worse for self insert (I'm sure a non-zero number of women play the game, but let's be real about the target demographic here)
• Changing it would probably upset some people
• I feel like I've been writing for years and never have a good reason/opportunity to write dudes (though if I'm writing the pov as gender neutral anyway, this is kind of a moot point)
• Male POV sex scene CGs are easier to make than Female POV (you just stick a penis in there and you're good to go)

 

[RagueltheUFO]

I personally always preferred the male avatars over female avatars because I tend to focus more on whether or not the avatar is a good character over the self insert. Its not fun for me to have a female avatar and then go for the lesbian harem. I'm better off having the female avatar being a futanari.

Also, something I was wondering down the line. If the knights embrace certain curses, will there be a scene with them? Since there's curse of mind, body and spirit, I was wondering what would happen if a knight embraced all 3 of them.

 

[CurseWave]

I do enjoy the latest curses added, the Easy curse was really a niche that needed to be filled. I just wished there were more events that are actual explicit coitus rather than "knight is teased really bad". Any addition of lasting effects on said knights would be neat as well.

The other curse, "unremarkable" (?) is a proper curse, but I feel like the unremarkable name does not fit the curse. I would consider rebranding that.

With the addition of the black hole traps, I also think that a curse which extends the return delay and/or makes it less likely that knights will assist a cursed knight under CC would make a better "unremarkable" curse. As in, the knight is cursed to just spend more time trapped because other parties must pay more attention to actually register their absence.

 

[RagueltheUFO]

Caught a glitch.

The unbinding spell doesn't have any text on it when you click on it in the witch's shop.

Also this made me laugh. Elli's Parting Shot looks like Farting Shot with the text used LOL

 

[YouShallNotLol]

• I could be less generic on the inquisitor's personality/reason for doing things/backstory
• Worse for self insert (I'm sure a non-zero number of women play the game, but let's be real about the target demographic here)

This two points are so stupid and superficial. Real sexism, right here. I just can't

 

[Rosen King]

• There would be a lot more general appeal toward the idea of submissive protag stuff happening
• There would be less inherent expectation of things eventually leading to full harem
• There would be less worry about people crying out over NTR if/when more involved sexual scenarios that don't involve the inquisitor happen to the knights

I feel like the fact that all these things are assumed from a female protagonist is problematic in its own right. Not necessarily in a "women's rights" sense but in a "lack of variety in games" sense. I'd be happy with an exclusively female protagonist if it didn't carry the implication that she's just... less.

I feel like I've been writing for years and never have a good reason/opportunity to write dudes (though if I'm writing the pov as gender neutral anyway, this is kind of a moot point)

I mean, you can still write the protagonist of this game as a "dude" despite having the option for either gender.

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(you just stick a penis in there and you're good to go)

Which is of course the main downside of a male protagonist for me. Although something tells me that I wouldn't be able to escape the penis if the protagonist was exclusively female. (The "something" being you literally saying that. I'm sure if there was no male option, you'd have prioritized implementing the girlpenis by now.)

 

[NRFB]

Also, something I was wondering down the line. If the knights embrace certain curses, will there be a scene with them? Since there's curse of mind, body and spirit, I was wondering what would happen if a knight embraced all 3 of them.

There are already some scenes that require a curse be embraced, and there's no reason there couldn't be scenes that require multiple curses be embraced at the same time. I'm not sure what you would expect to happen in the specific case of embracing all three of the "Weakness of" curses though.

I do enjoy the latest curses added, the Easy curse was really a niche that needed to be filled. I just wished there were more events that are actual explicit coitus rather than "knight is teased really bad". Any addition of lasting effects on said knights would be neat as well.

I still haven't really figured out how I would want to have knights getting sexed work mechanically. That's pretty much all that's holding sex back really. That and limits of time I'm able to get myself to sit down and properly write, which is another problem I've been having a lot. I don't think the quality of my output is bad as far as writing smut goes, but the quantity...
I guess there's also the issue of what monsters would/wouldn't qualify as bestiality which could matter. It's not that I personally care at all, but patreon probably would.

The other curse, "unremarkable" (?) is a proper curse, but I feel like the unremarkable name does not fit the curse. I would consider rebranding that.

I just thought of it like "a curse that makes you not use your special as much" -> "not special" -> "unremarkable"

Caught a glitch.

The unbinding spell doesn't have any text on it when you click on it in the witch's shop.

Yeah so what happened was that I decided I wanted to make the spell and I figured out what it should do. I made the data and everything but didn't fill out the description because there wasn't a mechanism in the code to do it. I had to write that first. Once the coding was done, I checked that the spell worked, but never went back and added a description.

For the record, when cast the spell rerolls all the skills that rejected curses are tied to.

This two points are so stupid and superficial. Real sexism, right here. I just can't

You lost me

I feel like the fact that all these things are assumed from a female protagonist is problematic in its own right. Not necessarily in a "women's rights" sense but in a "lack of variety in games" sense. I'd be happy with an exclusively female protagonist if it didn't carry the implication that she's just... less.

My assumption about porn game consumer expectations is:
Male POV = self insert (maybe not in 100% of cases, but at the very least it is much easier and more likely that this will be the case)
Female POV = basically just another character that happens to be the POV, making them another option for sexy times to happen
So even though I've always intended to treat both options equally, the expectation across both sides isn't going to be the same. There's just always going to be less demand for scenes of a male main character getting hypnotized or whatever, and people would be more accepting of the knights getting mindbroken by monster cocks or whatever if it was happening to a fem protag right along side them. Maybe I'm being too uncharitable toward the audience by making these assumptions. I dunno.

I mean, you can still write the protagonist of this game as a "dude" despite having the option for either gender.

So... Gender neutral then?

Which is of course the main downside of a male protagonist for me. Although something tells me that I wouldn't be able to escape the penis if the protagonist was exclusively female. (The "something" being you literally saying that. I'm sure if there was no male option, you'd have prioritized implementing the girlpenis by now.)

I like cocks. Cocks have got personality. They're fun.

 

[Privitarium]

I feel like the fact that all these things are assumed from a female protagonist is problematic in its own right. Not necessarily in a "women's rights" sense but in a "lack of variety in games" sense. I'd be happy with an exclusively female protagonist if it didn't carry the implication that she's just... less.

Not a psych major or anything, but I think that it has more to do with males (the larger percentage of the audience, for which targeting will result in lack of variety) finding it easier to dissociate from a female protagonist than a male one. Sympathy/empathy, conscious or unconscious, makes it uncomfortable to witness sexual violence (physical or non-physical) inflicted upon someone, while dissociation and othering dampens sympathy/empathy for the person. This to me is a better explanation than "females are perceived as lesser" because I believe it accounts for people's sometimes having separate standards/preferences between fictional characters and real life people.

Anyway, I'm all for giving the Inquisitor a more specific character and history. Whether you choose male or female, I'm down for more progression over more variation.

Somewhat related: When seeing the female avatar with the eyepatch, given the Inquisitor's job is relatively safe, I like to believe there's a noodle incident behind that lost eye. Could be a fun idea for the rewrite, if you do one?

Edit: concerning feedback,
- writing is still good. Still waiting on that threesome I see, though.
- The second difficulty increase option and extra monster/trap modifiers (no increased wave speed or dispel corruption) had me pressed to use every single scroll and micromanage knight movement to keep the knights healthy until floor 13 or 14, because they regularly got to 30~50+ in one or two of exhaustion/lust/injury. That said, I still managed to keep permanent corruption under 20.
- You already know about the Flowergirl's guarded armour-stacking problem.
- Had a crashing problem when scrying 2 knights in one room, probably related to some lust-curse interactions mentioned by others already
- To that, I'm unsure how much of my difficulty was because of monster/trap modifiers or curses perhaps not working as intended - I wasn't paying close enough attention
- concerning the arrow buttons for each desire/drive and a single +/- button set for curses, I think they should be consistent and only one method be chosen. Particularly because the curses use the same kind of arrows as the drives do but for cycling between curses, which threw me off more than a couple times.

Edit 2:
- nice to see new charge spending skills, though haven't formed much of an opinion of them yet. The one that expends remaining charge for healing between floors seems interesting, but doesn't really help out mid-late floors (beyond the first few floors, multifloor dives only offer more scrolls than I have time slots). The mirror image trap-dodging one (which I find the most interesting, though funny conceptually when many traps don't have eyes to see illusions) is nice, seems like it'd make Elli even more untouchable but I'd rather be able to put it on Lucette more easily as a way to shore up her poor Reflexes.
- new Hunting Call says it quenches the user's fury, but I've yet to test; are they supposed to get a random other quench effect? Or is giving an ally/allies 1 fury stack the quench effect?

 

[Rosen King]

porn game consumer expectations

This is actually the part I have a problem with. I'm not saying it's not the norm in the industry, I'm saying the fact that it's the norm is a problem. Or rather, the fact that it being the norm means it's completely ubiquitous. As I always say, "The problem with a raw democracy is that 51% of the people get their way 100% of the time." (It can actually be much lower than 51%, but the quote isn't as snappy if I have to include a lecture on the difference between majority and plurality.) And as an abnormal person who always falls outside of the majority plurality, it's incredibly frustrating.

I just want to see more games where a female protagonist gets a mind controlled harem or something. And the creator of Nexeus Institute is sick and on hiatus, so there's even more of a shortage than usual. I like girl on girl, and I like mind control, but I don't like submissive protagonists, so the idea that "female protagonist = less protagonist" is an obstacle that's holding back the games I want to see.

So... Gender neutral then?

I meant more like, if you think in terms of "male character tropes" and "female character tropes", you can just write the male character tropes, and then if the protagonist is a female you say, "Oh I guess she's a tomboy." (This is normally the part where I say "except for any tropes that require a penis", but...)

I like cocks. Cocks have got personality. They're fun.

They're bulby and they have wrinkly dangly bits and they shoot gross goop that's supposed to go on the inside but everyone keeps putting it on the outside for some reason.

(Full disclosure, I'm actually not the biggest fan of nipples for similar reasons.)

Somewhat related: When seeing the female avatar with the eyepatch, given the Inquisitor's job is relatively safe, I like to believe there's a noodle incident behind that lost eye. Could be a fun idea for the rewrite, if you do one?

Is their job really that safe, though? I mean their role in this particular dungeon is relatively safe, but they got sent off alone without knowing that there would be Knights of Syra working the same job, didn't they? I admittedly haven't watched the intro in a while, but I thought the Inquisitor was sent out to go solo the dungeon. At the very least, being sent anywhere near the dungeon without an escort from the start is a very dangerous job, as evidenced by how they got ambushed by Raine.

And if their title implies that they actually did any Inquisiting*, they must have traveled to areas that were suspected to have potentially dangerous heretics lurking nearby. They may have been expected to confront those heretics directly. I expect the Inquisitor to have seen some form of combat in their work, which could have cost them an eye.

(*Disclaimer: I am aware that the words associated with Inquisitor are "inquire" and "inquisition", not "inquisiting".)

Although it would be hilarious if she actually had Sophomore Syndrome/"Chunibyou", and only wore the eyepatch to pretend that it holds back a demonic power that would obliterate her enemies if it was ever unleashed. Actually, that'd be a pretty fun theme for an enemy. Maybe a Delusional Maid who claims that taking off her eyepatch would immediately turn the knight into her obedient slave, and the knight is unsure of whether to take this threat seriously or not. I suppose the bat girl already had shades of this, though.

...Or, that could be Olivia's theme. What if, in contrast to Coraline insisting that she's been set free and shown the truth, Olivia claims to have been a victim of such an overwhelming amount of corruption that she's had to seal most of it behind an eyepatch? She claims (and even believes) that she's still loyal to Syra, but she "cAn'T CoNtRoL iT" and ends up attacking and/or seducing the other knights. The reality is that she has fallen to corruption, but she enjoyed fighting it so much that she's lost in the fantasy of being constantly on the brink.

 

[NRFB]

Anyway, I'm all for giving the Inquisitor a more specific character and history. Whether you choose male or female, I'm down for more progression over more variation.

Somewhat related: When seeing the female avatar with the eyepatch, given the Inquisitor's job is relatively safe, I like to believe there's a noodle incident behind that lost eye. Could be a fun idea for the rewrite, if you do one?

If I were going to make the Inquisitor a more defined character, I probably wouldn't use Female 6 as the default appearance honestly, even though I do quite like her. My choices would probably portrait 1 if male and portrait 4 if female.

- The second difficulty increase option and extra monster/trap modifiers (no increased wave speed or dispel corruption) had me pressed to use every single scroll and micromanage knight movement to keep the knights healthy until floor 13 or 14, because they regularly got to 30~50+ in one or two of exhaustion/lust/injury. That said, I still managed to keep permanent corruption under 20.

I'm actually curious if anyone HAS beaten the game with all of the difficulty increases on. I haven't tried it, but I imagine it would be in the realm of "possible but rather annoying".

- concerning the arrow buttons for each desire/drive and a single +/- button set for curses, I think they should be consistent and only one method be chosen. Particularly because the curses use the same kind of arrows as the drives do but for cycling between curses, which threw me off more than a couple times.

Gradually coming to hate this menu because I still don't know how best to actually rework it but it's fairly important so it keeps coming up in my head.

I just want to see more games where a female protagonist gets a mind controlled harem or something. And the creator of Nexeus Institute is sick and on hiatus, so there's even more of a shortage than usual. I like girl on girl, and I like mind control, but I don't like submissive protagonists, so the idea that "female protagonist = less protagonist" is an obstacle that's holding back the games I want to see.

I mean I can't really just go along with only your preferences, but I'm sure you know that. At the same time I also suffer from a terrible curse where I am completely incapable of deriving sexual excitement from media that I create, so only making a game that I would like to play is a losing play as well.
I do think it's dumb to have mind control getting thrown around and arbitrarily restrict it from ever happening to the protag when there is no real reason they should be able to avoid it, but then I could also just as easily handwave it away with "I can't be hypno'd because of my Melos Protection™", but I haven't chosen to do or not do that in what I've written so far (though the artistic nude scenes suggest it to not be a thing).

They're bulby and they have wrinkly dangly bits and they shoot gross goop that's supposed to go on the inside but everyone keeps putting it on the outside for some reason.

Hell yeah!

(Full disclosure, I'm actually not the biggest fan of nipples for similar reasons.)

Lactation curse eventually.

I admittedly haven't watched the intro in a while, but I thought the Inquisitor was sent out to go solo the dungeon.

Yes, but this was at the very least considered abnormal that ONLY the Inquisitor was made directly aware of the dungeon's presence. This dungeon is also MUCH more active and MUCH bigger than the usual, though I probably haven't had characters highlight that as much as I should.

Although it would be hilarious if she actually had Sophomore Syndrome/"Chunibyou", and only wore the eyepatch to pretend that it holds back a demonic power that would obliterate her enemies if it was ever unleashed. Actually, that'd be a pretty fun theme for an enemy. Maybe a Delusional Maid who claims that taking off her eyepatch would immediately turn the knight into her obedient slave, and the knight is unsure of whether to take this threat seriously or not. I suppose the bat girl already had shades of this, though.

...Or, that could be Olivia's theme. What if, in contrast to Coraline insisting that she's been set free and shown the truth, Olivia claims to have been a victim of such an overwhelming amount of corruption that she's had to seal most of it behind an eyepatch? She claims (and even believes) that she's still loyal to Syra, but she "cAn'T CoNtRoL iT" and ends up attacking and/or seducing the other knights. The reality is that she has fallen to corruption, but she enjoyed fighting it so much that she's lost in the fantasy of being constantly on the brink.

I already linked you to my mind control university story. If you've read even a portion of that, you've seen me write a full chuuni.
It's actually quite fun, although that may also be due to my writing her such that somebody really needs to take away her thesaurus privileges.

 

[Rosen King]

I mean I can't really just go along with only your preferences, but I'm sure you know that.

Right, that wasn't meant to suggest what I expect from this game, but rather a demonstration of how that kind of expectation creates problems across the whole industry for people who are looking for something different. I mean, this whole discussion is purely theoretical since it's not like you're going to suddenly cut out the option to choose the player's gender, right? And I picked the male character anyway.

At the same time I also suffer from a terrible curse where I am completely incapable of deriving sexual excitement from media that I create, so only making a game that I would like to play is a losing play as well.

Does anyone not have that curse? I mean, it's one thing to get off while coming up with the ideas for stuff, but once it's on paper (or digital paper equivalent) it's gone.

In any case, my standard response is to say that making a game you would want to play instead of what other people tell you they want is worthwhile for the same reasons I mentioned in my previous post: because if everyone does what the majority of people want them to do, then everything ends up the same. Making a game for yourself means making a game for people like you. But then at the same time I'm over here asking to always be kept in mind. Kind of a paradox.

Lactation curse eventually.

Just please no dicknipples.

This dungeon is also MUCH more active and MUCH bigger than the usual, though I probably haven't had characters highlight that as much as I should.

Oh yeah, that's definitely something that was not clear. I mean, there's a lot about the dungeons that's unclear, and I'm sure a big part of that is because there's supposed to be a mystery around their very existence. But that kind of leaves us to assume that anything we see in this dungeon is the standard. Like, "Oh, there's a new goddess trying to establish herself through this dungeon? I guess dungeons are just gods attempting to get a foothold in the world."

Something for that empty "Lore" tab, I suppose.

I already linked you to my mind control university story. If you've read even a portion of that, you've seen me write a full chuuni.

Oh, I wasn't able to read any of that because everything about that website was abysmal. I also can't really get into written works in the second person, so I didn't really make an effort to get past the format.


Edit: Forgot I had a response to this part.

I do think it's dumb to have mind control getting thrown around and arbitrarily restrict it from ever happening to the protag when there is no real reason they should be able to avoid it, but then I could also just as easily handwave it away with "I can't be hypno'd because of my Melos Protection™", but I haven't chosen to do or not do that in what I've written so far (though the artistic nude scenes suggest it to not be a thing).

They could also have Eschahn's protection, although that would depend heavily on where the plot is actually intended to go. I wouldn't be too surprised to learn of a "the Inquisitor is off limits" policy, and it would also add some nuance to Coraline's accidental lust-blasting the the Inquisitor and the Witch, since it's already implied that Coraline may have flown off the handle beyond what Eschahn actually wants from her.

At any rate, the Witch insinuates that the Inquisitor may be a key player in this on the level of Eschahn, Melos, and Syra. If Eschahn were to acknowledge this fact, then the nature of her link to the dungeon could make the knights much more susceptible to being manipulated than the Inquisitor.

...Come to think of it, just the fact that the Inquisitor doesn't have a curse mark could handwave just about anything.

 

[RagueltheUFO]

Oh I was thinking that if you have all three curses accepted that it would be impossible to resist mind control and any sexual changes. Mind, body and spirit.

Like they may be common curses but at the same time, the knights have it very low on their list and its easy to remove but harder to embrace.

 

[EPGerhart]

I keep getting godot engine crashes. Usually when I'm about to get a "game over". Is there a log somewhere I can look at that might give me more details ?

 

[Devastator325]

Just wanna put in my two cents that I would love to see scenes of the MC (Fem, Male, or Futa) being hypnotized, possibly even by the corrupted knights they are managing. My main gripe with the gameplay is the problem you've said you've been grappling with, the lack of actual sex scenes in the dungeon.

Lactation curse you mentioned sounded fun, maybe linked with a new enemy? could even be a cowgirl or something along those lines afflicting it to the girls, with added interactions or scenes for other monsters? the flower and flower girl come to mind for needing some 'watering' by the knights.

generally for a lot of the scenes I find them well written but not going far enough to be enjoyable sexually, though I assume that will be fixed with added events and the implementation of sex into the dungeon. One that comes to mind as an example is the deep dream tea set, it's a very enticing scenario for the girls to fall for the pleasant tea and fall asleep, leaving them defenseless, but there isn't anything to capitalize on that in the game at the moment, perhaps an added event after so many turns of sleeping there has them discovered and toyed with by a monster for example, or the tea has some secondary effect of causing lewd dreams that can be shown in an event.

In any case, this game has the potential to be on my all time list of faves, I really like the gameplay mechanics of it and enjoyed my four or so runs through so far, but the lewd elements need a bit more time to get there, also I know the darkness is important for the gameplay... but it really sucks that you don't get to see the scenes that happen to the girl while they're obscured by darkness, for a lewd playthrough, a difficulty option to disable darkness on the rooms would be nice.

 

[NRFB]

I keep getting godot engine crashes. Usually when I'm about to get a "game over". Is there a log somewhere I can look at that might give me more details ?

I've STILL never seen this happen and thought it stopped after the change to how the game over animation works. You may or may not get something if you play the game through a command prompt so that the engine can output errors there, but I wouldn't expect much.

Just wanna put in my two cents that I would love to see scenes of the MC (Fem, Male, or Futa) being hypnotized, possibly even by the corrupted knights they are managing.

Dominance Loss/Turning the Tables/Reversal of Fortune is hot.

My main gripe with the gameplay is the problem you've said you've been grappling with, the lack of actual sex scenes in the dungeon.

Lactation curse you mentioned sounded fun, maybe linked with a new enemy? could even be a cowgirl or something along those lines afflicting it to the girls, with added interactions or scenes for other monsters? the flower and flower girl come to mind for needing some 'watering' by the knights.

generally for a lot of the scenes I find them well written but not going far enough to be enjoyable sexually, though I assume that will be fixed with added events and the implementation of sex into the dungeon. One that comes to mind as an example is the deep dream tea set, it's a very enticing scenario for the girls to fall for the pleasant tea and fall asleep, leaving them defenseless, but there isn't anything to capitalize on that in the game at the moment, perhaps an added event after so many turns of sleeping there has them discovered and toyed with by a monster for example, or the tea has some secondary effect of causing lewd dreams that can be shown in an event.

It's such a gamer joke that I don't know how I want sex to actually work mechanically. Kind of struggling through trying to work it out today.

also I know the darkness is important for the gameplay... but it really sucks that you don't get to see the scenes that happen to the girl while they're obscured by darkness, for a lewd playthrough, a difficulty option to disable darkness on the rooms would be nice.

I've somewhat warmed to the idea of a "voyeur mode" in the new game+ menu that has events be visible even in obscured rooms without giving the option to communicate in those rooms, but I'm not sold on it completely yet just because it does have a big effect on gameplay by also telling you what threat is actually in the dark room.
It would also open up the question of if there should be scenes that would only happen in dark rooms when the inquisitor isn't supposed to be able to watch.

I guess that's where I could hide the ntr scenes! (I am joking)