Gumroad to ban most NSFW content

[CaptainBipto]

that's exactly what it means. i don't know how you can have missed that adult games have to abide by patreon's rules. never heard of incest patches?

Well, since I did quote that part about adult games, I am pretty sure that I did not miss it. I am not sure what part of my message led you to believe that I had no knowledge of that fact.

I was replying to another poster that was saying that adult games were safe and I quoted the last part of the bullet point about animated games and posted a link to another thread where an adult game was very recently banned.

On that other thread, the OP stated that Patreon gave no reasons for why the game was being banned and without actually being an employee of Patreon or having any association with Patreon, I can only guess as to why that game was banned, especially, as you pointed out, there are 'patches' that can add objectionable material back into a game, from locations that are not associated with the game or the Patreon user.

 

[CaptainBipto]

This is all very possible, though I am inclined to disagree. I just reached out to patreon recently, in regards to 18+ games with non-sexualized under 18 characters, and I received a reply that my game falls within guidelines. Why would my game fall within these "new" guidelines if they were planning to nuke games?

My apologies, I was not intending to imply that your specific game would be targeted, just that animated games are not immune to being banned by Patreon.

 

[peterppp]

Well, since I did quote that part about adult games, I am pretty sure that I did not miss it. I am not sure what part of my message led you to believe that I had no knowledge of that fact.

I was replying to another poster that was saying that adult games were safe and I quoted the last part of the bullet point about animated games and posted a link to another thread where an adult game was very recently banned.

On that other thread, the OP stated that Patreon gave no reasons for why the game was being banned and without actually being an employee of Patreon or having any association with Patreon, I can only guess as to why that game was banned, especially, as you pointed out, there are 'patches' that can add objectionable material back into a game, from locations that are not associated with the game or the Patreon user.

when he said games are fine, he wasn't saying games are not subject to any of the guidelines. he was referring to games not being counted as pornography (real people having sex), which patreon does not allow. so there was a little bit of misunderstanding there

well, since you aren't sure, i'm happy to clarify that your entire message led me to believe that, perhaps influenced by your mistunderstanding which i didn't catch at the time. the way you expressed yourself in a somewhat uncertain tone and overly explained that a game can be banned (which is common knowledge), it sounded like this was news to you, or that you weren't really sure that games has to abide by the guidelines. no biggie, misunderstandings happen

 

[Melkor99]

Well, keep in mind that it looks like Patreon is pretty much banning any MC (hypnosis or othewise) themed material, even if it's clearly fantasy. So that's gonna impact a fair number of games.

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

Well, keep in mind that it looks like Patreon is pretty much banning any MC (hypnosis or othewise) themed material, even if it's clearly fantasy. So that's gonna impact a fair number of games.

Mind control falls under rape, for obvious reasons, which patreon has never allowed. They just let people get away with it until some time ago.

 

[anne O'nymous]

[...] never been problematic in the US Law wise.

Looks like some people have problems to understand that it's not a question of law, even when it's said twice...

I don't think Patreon ever allowed Loli even before the StudioFow/Paypal Shitshow.

I wonder, could it be because Patreon ban started in late 2017...

 

[Reaper9988]

They're not really new. Patreon has just finally given clarification on policies that already existed.

Well seeing a few things that happened lately. Maybe it is just a clarification but it seems their enforcement has gotten more draconian. At least this way it's less arbitrary and I can finally delete my Patreon account as it's unlikely anything interesting(to me) will pop up anymore.
I blame Patreon for their rules, but that is their good right and I much prefer not doing any business with them anyways.

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

I blame Patreon for their rules, but that is their good right and I much prefer not doing any business with them anyways.

I mean, I say all of this while moving over to substar due to requests I've received to add incest content. But, I guess that just reinforces my "rules are rules" position I've had. The stuff I'm going to add doesn't line up with patreons rules anymore, so I'm leaving the platform.

 

[K.T.L.]

Damn, didnt know it was that serious, where do these bans come from?

I remember seeing a statement a few years ago from someone representing the payment processors saying that they dislike porn because it, alone, accounts for nearly 90% of their chargebacks and payment failures. How much truth there is in that we'll never know, could just as easily be them squashing competition to their favoured suppliers.

I seriously doubt it has anything to do with protecting people or even someone at the top imposing their morality on others - there's little room for morality and sentiment in business. These days, they only care about money.

 

[Reaper9988]

I mean, I say all of this while moving over to substar due to requests I've received to add incest content. But, I guess that just reinforces my "rules are rules" position I've had. The stuff I'm going to add doesn't line up with patreons rules anymore, so I'm leaving the platform.

Fair enough, the only problem I usually see from Creators concerning Subscribestar is that they are very slow in the approval process.
Seems that worked out for you lol

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

Fair enough, the only problem I usually see from Creators concerning Subscribestar is that they are very slow in the approval process.
Seems that worked out for you lol

Ironically, my pre-existing patreon is most likely what made the approval process so fast.

 

[Semetrika]

Now i read new guidelines on Patreon. From what i understand you can still do almost everythink, but it must not be explicit and must be part of narrative. They put example Game of Thrones, so you still can make scene, where obviously brother and sister have sex, but it must not be created for sexual pleasure like Count Morado write me before.
Sure it's not that hot like see explicitly how they fuck like animal, but for developers who preffered narrative over sex scene is patreon still safe or maybe i understand it wrong?

 

[ChadChan3D]

These bans are the natural progression of a movement years in the making to undercut perverted ideas from spreading.

It started with limiting adult expression by placing restrictions on what Amazon, Gumroad, or Smashwords would sell. You cannot write words too taboo in a story and sell it on most platforms; that's how "landladies" came into popularity, skirting the rules.

Then payment processors deemed adult entertainment too risky and asked Pixiv and websites like it to purge taboo content.

Now we're here where Patreon is narrowing further their narrow restrictions on acceptable taboo. Not even the landladies are safe. The list of exemptions is so broad that you as a smutmaker will be banned whenever they notice you and want to be rid of you.

The goal is not morality but money. Expression is ok as long as Patreon, Pixiv, Gumroad, and everyone else can make money selling it. They're telling you that if your art is non-commercial it shouldn't even be made.

This has been happening for years and it has evolved to where we are today. I've never owned Bitcoin, but I now believe in its value as a decentralized currency free of these bullshit restrictions.

I see the future of pornographers solely in Bitcoin. How else can they be paid?

 

[ChadChan3D]

Now i read new guidelines on Patreon. From what i understand you can still do almost everythink, but it must not be explicit and must be part of narrative. They put example Game of Thrones, so you still can make scene, where obviously brother and sister have sex, but it must not be created for sexual pleasure like Count Morado write me before.
Sure it's not that hot like see explicitly how they fuck like animal, but for developers who preffered narrative over sex scene is patreon still safe or maybe i understand it wrong?

Are you confident that you can walk across a minefield? The list of bannable offenses are so broad that you're playing a losing game:



The only winning move is not to play.

 

[AlisaB]

So basically, only boring vanilla or weirdo shit like futa are allowed on Patreon. Well, that sucks

 

[ChadChan3D]

I see, thanks for information. I talk about one game (don't know if i can write name of game, but it doesn't matter) which have according patreon more than 10000$, but they basically break rules because in game is zoophilia, rape etc. so i was wondered why is still in patreon.

If you bring home the bacon you get unofficial exemptions. It's the same reason that Twitch Thots aren't banned from Twitch and that rich people get lenient sentences.

A business is about money and if your porn Patreon makes $100 a month then your content is too damaging to Patreon's reputation, get that shit out of there.

If you bring in 65k a month and Patreon gets 12% of that then your stuff isn't really that bad, keep doing you.

See also the meme for "hot guy compliments female coworker" vs "ugly guy sexually harasses female coworker".

 

[Semetrika]

I will be no surprise, but we will see in future who stay or not.

 

[anne O'nymous]

Are you confident that you can walk across a minefield? The list of bannable offenses are so broad that you're playing a losing game:

So, are banned anything involving real persons, as well as incest, loli, bestiality and none consensual intercourse...

It's like this since late 2017.

 

[gola16]

Well well well Pixiv have officially banned payments for users overseas great seems i was correct with all the banned content occuring at the same time as of right now if you currently dont have any active subscriptions in fanbox you cant sign up for anything but if do have a current subscription you should be fine. Although im kind of happy they didnt cave into paypal demands and flatout remove any of their nsfw content and stood there ground on creative freedom but for any content creator overseas well there goes another subscription platform as only japanese customers can subscribe to your fanbox hopefully they can get the overseas credit card payment reintroduced soon.

 

[gola16]

Bruh if pixiv is getting the boot I am sure whoever is behind the banning is going to actively target subcribestar at this point and i would not be suprised if they too have to ban nsfw content probably have to tell your favourite artist to move to a different platform again