VN Ren'Py Completed Haley's Story [v1.1 Pre-Patched] [Viitgames]

[Holy Bacchus]

We both know this game was meant to revolve around MC's and Haley's taboo relationship from the start. And if by "exploring the world" you mean exploring each other's genitals, then yes that was always the main theme of the game. You won't see that clearly illustrated in a description of any Patreon game. It was never meant to be a game about MC and the random chick who's not in the game title.

And realistic incest story doesn't have to go for the abusive redneck stereotype. There is plenty of taboo going on in middle/high class urban settings too.

Adult games and VNs on this site with deep characters and a serious story to tell are so rare and many like this one are really good. But too many people still expect these games to have wall-to-wall sexual action with one-dimensional female characters and every time that expectation is upended with serious drama they get all bent out of shape because what they view as just a simple porn game doesn't have as much porn as they'd like. The devs in this case are trying to tell a more serious story where sex is involved but these people can't appreciate it.

 

[Walter Victor]

i stayed with sandra while she was packing up too and the dialoge i mentioned came the only diffrence between that two dialoges is that 1.the mc does not fools around with diane and Adriana and i send haley with adriana on the buisness trip
2.the mc fools around with all of them and goes with adriana on the buisness trip then your dialoge shows up

My mistake about the test that triggers the response I mentioned. The actual test is in v0.50, after the MC has sex with Sandra after going to the cafe. There is a choice to 'Stay a longer longer'. If you choose that option, you get the extended dialog with Haley that I provided. If you don't even get to that choice, which is possible if you don't take all of the positive choices regarding Sandra, of course you won't get that dialog. In other words, you have to make every choice that furthers the MC's relationship with Sandra. Sorry to have confused you.

But having sex with Diane or Adriana, or who goes on the business trip is not relevant here.

 

[total]

I think it's been a poor choice on the direction to take the story. It's polarising and sets a wildly different tone from where we were going, but it's way too late. Most of us here were just enjoying the lighthearted vibe. Now, some of us are actively disgusted by recent revelations, while others (like myself) who couldn't really give two shits about the dumb shit a girl did in the past are a bit dismayed at the prospect of having to experience it all through an MC who appears to have completely lost composure over it (i.e. the odds of him not making this a big deal going forward feel pretty slim).

Now everything is starting to feel a bit lose lose for everyone. People who relate to MCs opinion here probably still feel immersed in the story, but they aren't going to enjoy it (bad feels). While people who don't relate are going to lose immersion. I think the dev needs to think very carefully over what they do next, because if the direction keeps building on this as the key element they are going to lose a large part of their audience.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

I think it's been a poor choice on the direction to take the story. It's polarising and sets a wildly different tone from where we were going, but it's way too late. Most of us here were just enjoying the lighthearted vibe. Now, some of us are actively disgusted by recent revelations, while others (like myself) who couldn't really give two shits about the dumb shit a girl did in the past are a bit dismayed at the prospect of having to experience it all through an MC who appears to have completely lost composure over it (i.e. the odds of him not making this a big deal going forward feel pretty slim).

Now everything is starting to feel a bit lose lose for everyone. People who relate to MCs opinion here probably still feel immersed in the story, but they aren't going to enjoy it (bad feels). While people who don't relate are going to lose immersion. I think the dev needs to think very carefully over what they do next, because if the direction keeps building on this as the key element they are going to lose a large part of their audience.

If you found out that the person you were with, the person you love, may have been abused by an older man when they were just a teenager, I'm pretty sure you'd lose your composure over it too, especially if you also grew up with that person and knew them at the time this would have occurred. The MC is having a very human reaction to a very startling revelation and it's only natural that they not only want answers but also want to take some kind of action against the person who did it.

Some people here really don't understand the first thing about human behaviour but the dev does, and that's all that matters.

 

[Deleted member 444674]

I think it's been a poor choice on the direction to take the story. It's polarising and sets a wildly different tone from where we were going, but it's way too late. Most of us here were just enjoying the lighthearted vibe. Now, some of us are actively disgusted by recent revelations, while others (like myself) who couldn't really give two shits about the dumb shit a girl did in the past are a bit dismayed at the prospect of having to experience it all through an MC who appears to have completely lost composure over it (i.e. the odds of him not making this a big deal going forward feel pretty slim).

Now everything is starting to feel a bit lose lose for everyone. People who relate to MCs opinion here probably still feel immersed in the story, but they aren't going to enjoy it (bad feels). While people who don't relate are going to lose immersion. I think the dev needs to think very carefully over what they do next, because if the direction keeps building on this as the key element they are going to lose a large part of their audience.

I agree, but I think it’s too early to tell if it’s a poor choice and if it’s a lose/lose scenario. At most, it’s a ballsy move right now, which is to be respected from a writing perspective. It may look like a poor choice now but end up having major payoff in the future, so it’s too early to tell.

And I don’t see it as a lose lose either. I think there are some Ws here. In doing this, and assuming he doesn’t buckle from the vocal outrage in the back, Viitgames is identifying his audience with this development. Some don’t like it. Some love it. Some hate it. Some are pulling out now to avoid hating it. It’s not a topic that everyone should be expected to sit through, which needs to be understood.

So some will pull out here most definitely, but I don’t think that should be considered a loss. For every one that pulls out, one more will look at this and see it’s their cup of tea. I rather Viitgames to follow through with his vision than give into the outrage. That can’t possibly be a loss, assuming he does just this.

If he gives into the outrage now, then yes it’s an automatic L. But I think trying to cater to an entire player base is also an L. You can’t please everyone.

 

[Ragnar]

IMHO its implied that Haley was the one giving blowjob and that she was promiscuous as a means of distracting herself from her attraction to the MC

Impliyed where? She told about all of her sexual life in the 0.55 update, she wasn't the one giving head in the WC.

 

[Deleted member 444674]

If you found out that the person you were with, the person you love, may have been abused by an older man when they were just a teenager, I'm pretty sure you'd lose your composure over it too, especially if you also grew up with that person and knew them at the time this would have occurred. The MC is having a very human reaction to a very startling revelation and it's only natural that they not only want answers but also want to take some kind of action against the person who did it.

Some people here really don't understand the first thing about human behaviour but the dev does, and that's all that matters.

I can’t speak for him, but I don’t think that’s the point of his argument at all. I don’t think he’s arguing the fact that the MC feels troubled by the reveal. I think he’s arguing the fact that some of us, like myself, are now forced to watch this negative development when it was never implied the tone would shift this drastically this soon.

 

[Steinchen]

My mistake about the test that triggers the response I mentioned. The actual test is in v0.50, after the MC has sex with Sandra after going to the cafe. There is a choice to 'Stay a longer longer'. If you choose that option, you get the extended dialog with Haley that I provided. If you don't even get to that choice, which is possible if you don't take all of the positive choices regarding Sandra, of course you won't get that dialog. In other words, you have to make every choice that furthers the MC's relationship with Sandra. Sorry to have confused you.

But having sex with Diane or Adriana, or who goes on the business trip is not relevant here.

i am playing both routes so i know all positive choices regarding sandra i have made them in both pathes the only diffrent thing is there is no f*** around with adriana and diane and no lisa there the rest is all the same in both pathes with different dialoges regarding breakup with sandra

 

[total]

I agree, but I think it’s too early to tell if it’s a poor choice and if it’s a lose/lose scenario. At most, it’s a ballsy move right now, which is to be respected from a writing perspective. It may look like a poor choice now but end up having major payoff in the future, so it’s too early to tell.

And I don’t see it as a lose lose either. I think there are some Ws here. In doing this, and assuming he doesn’t buckle from the vocal outrage in the back, Viitgames is identifying his audience with this development. Some don’t like it. Some love it. Some hate it. Some are pulling out now to avoid hating it. It’s not a topic that everyone should be expected to sit through, which needs to be understood.

So some will pull out here most definitely, but I don’t think that should be considered a loss. For every one that pulls out, one more will look at this and see it’s their cup of tea. I rather Viitgames to follow through with his vision than give into the outrage. That can’t possibly be a loss, assuming he does just this.

If he gives into the outrage now, then yes it’s an automatic L. But I think trying to cater to an entire player base is also an L. You can’t please everyone.

I think the biggest win is the experience in trying to provide elements of tension. I have good regard for the dev and having the balls to try new things is definitely a positive in the long run. I am merely concerned that this is a less than optimal time and place to try to do it! Tying up the story abruptly and moving onto something new might have been cleaner, or even running something else concurrently.

As I say, I do think adding in polarizing topics that people feel strongly on can cost some audience. It's entirely up to the dev to decide if it is worthwhile. If there is a vision and this was always part of it, then yes, it is probably best to ride it all out and finish it as planned. Experience, yada yada. But I can't help but wonder, if major story elements butt in at late stages and take center stage without any warning, if there ever was a vision at all. If not, then sticking to the core offering makes much more sense.

 

[MasterDk78]

Wow!! I love it, the story is amazing. Have lost count on how many many times i sat grinning for my self, or laughing out laud!
If your a new commer, then you have a lot fun waiting for you.
Sis is not super hot, but she deffently has her moments. But there is other girls that are really well made you have a chance with. Give it a try, you wont regret it, but there is a lot of build up that does seem natural if you can call it that. I like that very much.

To the dev, what an amazing dev you are! You and your team if you have one!
Fucking awesome!

 

[MLBnoob]

The turn of events feels sloppy, would have been better if it was revealed a earlier. No one suspected anything about that with Haley in earlier updates. It feels like an instant smack to the head while reaching for something. I'll take graphic violence upfront than be surprised by it later when it came out of nowhere with no indication of it.

Games like Vengeance where you hear that your uncle and cousin was killed in a drive-by right off the bat. It also has themes of victims of human trafficking, even a skippable rape scene between victim and human trafficker. Thats the theme of that game, recent update introduces an innocent virgin stripper probably a possible LI, MC treated her with respect but during the last part said girl was seen with a rope and a chair implying suicide then fade now that was inline to what was experienced earlier in the story.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

I can’t speak for him, but I don’t think that’s the point of his argument at all. I don’t think he’s arguing the fact that the MC feels troubled by the reveal. I think he’s arguing the fact that some of us, like myself, are now forced to watch this negative development when it was never implied the tone would shift this drastically this soon.

It may have come of left field, but I do feel that there is a disconnect with people in understanding the feelings of the characters involved and this is feeding into this "polarising" feeling because they just don't get it.

while others (like myself) who couldn't really give two shits about the dumb shit a girl did in the past

This comment right here, to me, shows a lack of understanding as to what it would be like to find out someone close to you, like a sibling, was possibly abused by an older man when they were a teenager. Being possibly raped/abused/groomed by an authority figure is not "dumb shit", it's very serious stuff and just because the dev has decided to add this story element for reasons which I'm sure will become clear later on, people are too quickly judging it because they simply don't understand it.

Let's also remember that this VN has the involvement of Ptolemy, a dev who most people here have nothing but high praise for because they write very good, intimate stories with satisfying endings and if it's their decision to add this, something which was likely always intended to be added, then I trust that it will be for the best and it will only serve to make this VN better in the long run.

 

[vir_cotto]

I consider myself one of the biggest Ptolemy's fans but this story has gone into the mud of that pond in the game and I don't expect it'll get back on the surface to catch a breath. Let's rest in peace.

 

[Deleted member 444674]

and this is feeding into this "polarising" feeling because they just don't get it.

I believe this is a factor, yes, but I want to highlight something that I'm sure you understand, but I want to highlight it anyway.

Being possibly raped/abused/groomed by an authority figure is not "dumb shit", it's very serious stuff

"Dumb shit" might have been worded differently or taken into a different context than intended. But it is, in fact, serious stuff. That's the biggest thing here and the main point to his argument. Not everyone signed up for that as those darker undertones were never implied before the reveal. Many saw this as a lighthearted incest story with fun characters like Haley. Not much people expected darker subject matters such as statutory rape to be a focal point in the story. In a way, it feels akin to clickbait. Not saying it is, I'm just saying that's how blindsided people feel.

people are too quickly judging it because they simply don't understand it.

Well yes, but also, no. I'm sure most with legitimate issues here understand the severity of the situation. That's why some feel outraged by it. They understand it, but that's not what they decided to play this game for and I'm not talking about the ones who only want porn. I'm talking about the ones who would rather play a light-hearted experience. Things like this subject matter? That's heavy on the mind. I've seen people recently criticize some people who have an issue here, calling them weak-minded (I'm paraphrasing) but it's a stressful topic that requires care and some people, don't want that on their mind and never expected that to be on their mind when playing this game, especially those who have grown an attachment to Haley as a character. The most drama I think people expected was the taboo of incest and how it affects the people around Haley and the MC. It's a matter of a game not being entirely truthful to the audience, hence the outrage.

 

[Goblin Baily: DILF]

This new development is bullshit.... it's drama for the sake of drama. The fact she was abused by her teacher, doesn't make Haley a slut. It's just trying to be edgy. It comes out of nowhere and has no anchor in the dynamic and the overall tone of the game. The incestuous nature of their love was enough to fuel months of drama, how would society react ? How would their relatives behave once the truth came out ? How would Sandra react if she knew? How would their supervisors react ? Would they be able to keep the job ? What if Haley got pregnant and the baby had a generical malformation ? There was enough conflict and hurdles to last the writer a long time. The purpose of Claus introduction was made clear the moment his step-daughter was shown. She will be the target of MC's "righteous vengeance" even though she had no part in that. Usually Ptolemy does character assassination on Love Interests,. But assaainating the MC's personality... that's new!
How do you think Haley would react if her brother that is her whole world out of nowhere acted like that....
It's as if in Saving Private Ryan an alien invasion begun.

 

[ukhustlas]

This game has had a lot of dark undertones that depended on your actions. The handsy bosses husband (Sorry only played through the once so i denied Haley's flirting don't know what happens if you allow it). Sandra's story when the shit hits the fan what about her uncle? I find this game has intelligent writing that presents interesting moral choices for you to navigate through. I find it so refreshing to play a game where the dialogue does not consist of "oooh you have a big dick lets fuck"

 

[gestved]

I don't think, it would be all that audacious to ask not to be cheated on, even if in such a precarious situation. She should at least be so honest and tell him, that she doesn't approve of it. If I actually love a girl, I don't want to be with others. If I want to fuck around, I don't tie myself down. I don't want to share my significant other, why would I ask her to share me? Also, it might not be certain, that Haley actually likes Sandra.

Haley at the very least thinks Sandra is a good person, that's why she pushes MC to her. She may find Sandra annoying with her mom persona, probably because she find that as well with their own mother favouritism towards MC, but in every other aspect Haley treats her as a friend.

I see Haley being satisfied with the idea of living forever with the MC, even if he have some girls on the side, she says it herself, she already knows he loves her, he letting go of other girls would only reinforce the fact. We may get a different ending if we are her exclusive from this point onward, but I don't think it will be required for they staying together in the end.

 

[gestved]

Am I the only one here who didn't read the Haley/Teacher scenario as some kind of forced/rape-y thing? From what I've seen it seemed more like she liked him, he was down and and in a moment of lust/weakness/whatever he gave in and things happened. Not that he was the victim of anything, but it was at least somewhat mutual.

Even if it was as simple and pure like that I would still be pissed with the teacher, would you be happy if you hire a 50 year old tutor to your kids, let them in your own house, them he abuses your trust and deflowers your 15 year old daughter? I would be completely enraged by that, being in a "moment of weakness" is no excuse.

And if it was going to be as simple as that it would probably be a turned page by now.

In what world would a 50 year old man start sharing his personal life with a 15 year old girl about his problems when he was supposed to be tutoring her? It could happen but it's unlikely. He probably manipulated her, threw a bait telling a sad story and Haley fell for it, like I said, he probably didn't even divorce, the stepdaughter is a hint towards that

 

[preglovr12]

Judging from the recent reviews, some people are disappointed because of the sudden narrative transition that was executed poorly. Personally I think the added drama from the last couple of updates makes the title a lot more generic than before. IMO the game shines in the interactions between the different characters and especially between the siblings. It was a nice, lighthearted visual novel with realistic (for an adult game) dialogue and that's what made it stand out from the many other boring, vanilla stories out there.

Now things are taking a darker turn and I'm not a big fan of it, mainly as it's a very convenient shortcut to maintain interest in your project by sprinkling over it some "mature themes" out of the blue. We've seen it numerous times before. To me it looks lazy and I'm kind of surprised by it since the writing was top-notch from the start. The whole character exposition was so rushed in 0.55 it almost gave me vibes of being a character summary - "here's the things you need to know before ACT II, now here's your statutory rape, bro!". And with 0.60 it just solidifies this will be the next big conflict, stretched out for story development purposes and I'm really not feeling it so far. I'll give it another update or two to see how things will progress, but if that is the established course the devs want to take, I'll just drop it as I generally don't like drastic tone shifts.

It's like you took the words right out of my brain and put them in a form other people can actually understand. They could have made anything a roadblock for Haley and MC but they decided to go generic as fuck with rape, and now they've doubled down on it with Sandra. This games a joke now.

Some people here really don't understand the first thing about human behaviour but the dev does, and that's all that matters.

Just no. Our borderline too dumb to function wet noodle MC is the least human character I've seen in any of these games I've played, and that includes a weird dog hybrid thing I played as. I'll grant you he has knack for sibling interaction, but that's it.

 

[Deleted member 996313]

I just finished the update and have to say, that I am really impressed with how the story developes. The first chapter took care, that I like the MC and his sister really much and enjoyed the game because of it. With the recent updates it shows that not everything is cool and funny. I enjoy it because I care for them ... in a way.

If the story keeps progressing as it does, then there is a chance that the end will feel really good for us players.

Big props to the developer for having the ass to develop the story, the way he does. Keep going!