VN Ren'Py Completed Haley's Story [v1.1 Pre-Patched] [Viitgames]

[Holy Bacchus]

"Dumb shit" might have been worded differently or taken into a different context than intended. But it is, in fact, serious stuff. That's the biggest thing here and the main point to his argument. Not everyone signed up for that as those darker undertones were never implied before the reveal. Many saw this as a lighthearted incest story with fun characters like Haley. Not much people expected darker subject matters such as statutory rape to be a focal point in the story. In a way, it feels akin to clickbait. Not saying it is, I'm just saying that's how blindsided people feel.

I saw it as a light-hearted tale too but this new twist has me intrigued and I enjoy character development. I'm invested enough in these characters that I'm willing to see it through it to the end, but I feel like a lot of people just aren't open-minded enough to realise that this isn't the story they want to see, it's the story the dev wants to tell and they can tell it however they like. People can not like it as much as they want, but don't go around saying that it's the wrong thing to do when you're not the one telling the story and you don't know how this is all going to play out.

People get far too possessive of stuff that isn't theirs to possess when all they have to do is just say, "well, it's not my cup of tea, but it is what it is so let's just see where this goes." But instead they get all pissy about arbitrary points and become so triggered by plot development that isn't to their specific liking that they act as though it's a personal attack on them and their enjoyment.

Well yes, but also, no. I'm sure most with legitimate issues here understand the severity of the situation. That's why some feel outraged by it. They understand it, but that's not what they decided to play this game for and I'm not talking about the ones who only want porn. I'm talking about the ones who would rather play a light-hearted experience. Things like this subject matter? That's heavy on the mind. I've seen people recently criticize some people who have an issue here, calling them weak-minded (I'm paraphrasing) but it's a stressful topic that requires care and some people, don't want that on their mind and never expected that to be on their mind when playing this game, especially those who have grown an attachment to Haley as a character. The most drama I think people expected was the taboo of incest and how it affects the people around Haley and the MC. It's a matter of a game not being entirely truthful to the audience, hence the outrage.

No, I don't believe that what puts these complainers off is understanding the severity of the issue and disliking the heavy nature of it because many of them have made it quite clear that they simply don't want any drama in the game at all. Again, there is an abudance of games and VNs with shallow stories and shallow characters if that's what people want, and whilst this one could have done a better job of laying the groundwork for being a dramatic game and for this shift in narrative, the dev clearly wants this to be something that has a little more depth than most other adult games and that's perfectly OK.

I get the need for escapism in these games, to leave the world behind for a little while and jump into another world with no worries, cares, or dramas, but hard-hitting stories with hard-hitting subject matter can be even more satisfying as they can actually make you feel something for the characters and their story. But the complainers don't want to feel, they just want to have a quick fap to some hot pics and not have to think about anything, which is OK and there's nothing wrong with that, but just because a game wants to have a more serious plot doesn't ruin it, it enhances it and elevates it above the typical fodder.

Exploring a character's backstory and history is not a problem nor is the subject matter of it, how it was handled can certainly be considered a problem, but overall this is an interesting new direction for the game and I for one am very curious to see how it plays out.

 

[total]

It may have come of left field, but I do feel that there is a disconnect with people in understanding the feelings of the characters involved and this is feeding into this "polarising" feeling because they just don't get it.



This comment right here, to me, shows a lack of understanding as to what it would be like to find out someone close to you, like a sibling, was possibly abused by an older man when they were a teenager. Being possibly raped/abused/groomed by an authority figure is not "dumb shit", it's very serious stuff and just because the dev has decided to add this story element for reasons which I'm sure will become clear later on, people are too quickly judging it because they simply don't understand it.

Let's also remember that this VN has the involvement of Ptolemy, a dev who most people here have nothing but high praise for because they write very good, intimate stories with satisfying endings and if it's their decision to add this, something which was likely always intended to be added, then I trust that it will be for the best and it will only serve to make this VN better in the long run.

On further reflection, I think my lack of caring is due to the context. It's just not that extreme for a porn game. I'd probably be more mad if it had happened to someone I cared about, and I can respect that people will feel this way. However, there are plenty of people on here who haven't had that experience, who have played games that are basically entirely based around grooming young girls (e.g. the headmaster) and so this doesn't really register on a meaningful level.

Shit's too tame, get real dev >_<

Anyway, if I didn't think the dev and game were decent I wouldn't have bothered saying anything. Looking forward to seeing where we go from here, and especially the community reaction!

 

[DocPorny]

I'm in group "no liky". I'm one of those who, as it was phrased by some people already, who loves the game for being a lighthearted funny story where the biggest drama on the horizon where breakups and cheating spouses (the latter not being not serious but you know what i mean). The more obvious it got what the direction it's going (or at least what i think where it's going, don't know the devs plans unfortunately) the more I actually got angry along side mc whenever he thought about it. The only two ways this can play out I would find redeeming would be to beat the shit out of the guy or it's all just in mcs head and actually did not happen. Would be quite the pull-back at this point but I would be ok with it.

Well ... now that the negativity is out of the way, the less "aggravating" parts where great as usual. Still loving the characters, the little side-stories in general. Interesting to see what will happen with Victor and jealous julian, how the breakups will play out. That's the level of drama I can handle and "enjoy" (sounds bad but you know -.-^^) ... for more than that I have reality thank you very much.

 

[Deleted member 444674]

but I feel like a lot of people just aren't open-minded enough to realise that this isn't the story they want to see, it's the story the dev wants to tell and they can tell it however they like. People can not like it as much as they want, but don't go around saying that it's the wrong thing to do when you're not the one telling the story and you don't know how this is all going to play out.

That's fair. I agree with this wholeheartedly.

No, I don't believe that what puts these complainers off is understanding the severity of the issue and disliking the heavy nature of it because many of them have made it quite clear that they simply don't want any drama in the game at all. Again, there is an abudance of games and VNs with shallow stories and shallow characters if that's what people want, and whilst this one could have done a better job of laying the groundwork for being a dramatic game and for this shift in narrative, the dev clearly wants this to be something that has a little more depth than most other adult games and that's perfectly OK.

My stance on this segment here was strictly based on the ones that have shared what I believe to be reasonable complaints so far. I'm not defending the ones who're only looking for fap material. You and I are in agreement there. I just want to make sure we're on the same page.

but hard-hitting stories with hard-hitting subject matter can be even more satisfying as they can actually make you feel something for the characters and their story.

Most definitely. Hard-hitting stories can be even more rewarding, but if I'm trying to escape, I'm not looking to cross into that territory. At the end of the day, it's a matter of preference. In terms of drama, everyone has a bar for what they feel they can tolerate. This subject matter just passes that bar for some people. Again, I'm not talking about the ones having an existential crisis over Haley being unpure now or whatever. Just strictly how people feel about the sudden coming drama from a reasonable perspective, particularly in defense of total's comments about the update.

overall this is an interesting new direction for the game and I for one am very curious to see how it plays out.

That means your bar is higher than others. Again, drama isn't for everyone. Everyone has a certain cap they can take before it becomes too heavy on the mind, so some check out before it gets to that point, me included. There's only a certain amount and a certain kind of drama I can take before it begins to linger in my mind against my effort to fight it. It's great that you're looking forward to more and I hope you get what you're looking for, but others, as well as myself, are currently erring on the side of caution. I've heard that the dev plans to take his time with this arc, which is great and a smart move, but if it looks like it's becoming too much to think about, I'll be pulling out.

 

[vir_cotto]

We should make a poll: Who'll be revealed as the next rape victim in 0.65?
As things are going, I wouldn't be surprised if MC will come home one day and would find Jamal railing Haley...

 

[laflare82]

I don't like surprises I hate when Devs throw a curve ball into a story so I chose to hop in comments before continuing it each update because if theres something I dont like or I'm not into it's time to make space on my hard drive I'm not into fetishes and kinks and so on hints part of the reason I play this game and I hate games that undermines he MC choices and force you into content you care nothing about hell once I played a game and begin to chose a path I will not back and replay other paths just to see new renders I didnt give a damn about in the 1st place I'm disgusted by any type of NTR content and hate liars and people that do things for their own satisfaction such as Haley the best relationship option here for the MC is the one he's already in in my playthrough I treated Haley like she was a pile of manure I made this same comment a few months ago when incest was first introduced I knew it was coming but hoped I had a choice like I've had with everything else Dev manipulated us into thinking that in a way that's why incest was added so late into the game forcing you to have to continue to play were if it was introduced earlier some of us would have stopped playing we're only human we may all be equal but we don't think alike.

By realistic and lighthearted I meant in the context of the adult video game medium. Nobody was doing any incest until the last two updates. There was another path where the MC can be loyal to Sandra that got shafted because players didn't like it. "Haley's Story" doesn't necessary mean she has to fuck her brother. It just means the game is telling her story. It could've been about dealing with her feelings purely on platonic level and getting over it eventually (not saying that would've been the right choice for the purpose of the story). The original game pitch was just two siblings living together and exploring the world around them. If we're talking realistic by IRL standards expect rampant alcoholism, drug abuse, sexual abuse and low level education to follow shortly.

I would've preferred that over two siblings suddenly fucking each other where the hell did that come from that was never supposed to happen the Dev changed the story due to patreons I hate when Dev buckle down because of patreons a story shift is quite noticeable especially when your heading in one direction then you suddenly go the other no no no no that has nothing to do with the story you changed things around I'm not a fan of incest when I started this game and realized they were siblings I almost stopped playing immediately but when I saw she had a boyfriend and the brother began dating lovely beautiful Sandra I couldn't stop playing it months into the progression of the game it starts hinting Haley's jealousy I didn't mind it at all cause I assumed I've had the option of yes and no from the beginning so this should be no different and I've done everything in my power to show Haley to stay in here place I even snitch to Adriana at the very beginning not that I hate Hayley but wanted to make sure I keep her love or relationship points down to zero this is how I know this was forced and was never part of the story in the 1st place no matter how badly you treat Haley she falls head over heels for you I told her I dont wanna live with here I'm gonna move out I didn't massage her foot any time a decision came for Haley I went with the negative but still I end up liking my sister this is bs, I love Sandra she is the ideal girlfriend/wife there's no other character in the game that tops her in looks or personality I did however dislike how the dev tried to make you not like her unless your just someone that does not date out of your race there is no reason not to love her.

 

[Johnny6]

I don't like surprises I hate when Devs throw a curve ball into a story so I chose to hop in comments before continuing it each update because if theres something I dont like or I'm not into it's time to make space on my hard drive I'm not into fetishes and kinks and so on hints part of the reason I play this game and I hate games that undermines he MC choices and force you into content you care nothing about hell once I played a game and begin to chose a path I will not back and replay other paths just to see new renders I didnt give a damn about in the 1st place I'm disgusted by any type of NTR content and hate liars and people that do things for their own satisfaction such as Haley the best relationship option here for the MC is the one he's already in in my playthrough I treated Haley like she was a pile of manure I made this same comment a few months ago when incest was first introduced I knew it was coming but hoped I had a choice like I've had with everything else Dev manipulated us into thinking that in a way that's why incest was added so late into the game forcing you to have to continue to play were if it was introduced earlier some of us would have stopped playing we're only human we may all be equal but we don't think alike.

I would've preferred that over two siblings suddenly fucking each other where the hell did that come from that was never supposed to happen the Dev changed the story due to patreons I hate when Dev buckle down because of patreons a story shift is quite noticeable especially when your heading in one direction then you suddenly go the other no no no no that has nothing to do with the story you changed things around I'm not a fan of incest when I started this game and realized they were siblings I almost stopped playing immediately but when I saw she had a boyfriend and the brother began dating lovely beautiful Sandra I couldn't stop playing it months into the progression of the game it starts hinting Haley's jealousy I didn't mind it at all cause I assumed I've had the option of yes and no from the beginning so this should be no different and I've done everything in my power to show Haley to stay in here place I even snitch to Adriana at the very beginning not that I hate Hayley but wanted to make sure I keep her love or relationship points down to zero this is how I know this was forced and was never part of the story in the 1st place no matter how badly you treat Haley she falls head over heels for you I told her I dont wanna live with here I'm gonna move out I didn't massage her foot any time a decision came for Haley I went with the negative but still I end up liking my sister this is bs, I love Sandra she is the ideal girlfriend/wife there's no other character in the game that tops her in looks or personality I did however dislike how the dev tried to make you not like her unless your just someone that does not date out of your race there is no reason not to love her.

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[Merseault]

All these incoming 1*-reviews are just ridiculous imo, sry

"I used to love the game..." - yeah, that's why you didn't reviewed it before? And sure you are a patron since ever, right?

You don't like where the story is going? ok, move on, what's the problem? 99% of the games on this site are just "click-and-fuck" without any meaningful story, or adult-storytelling.

Writing an 1*-review, just because you are personally offended, that the story takes a turn, that you don't like.......man, grow up

(imo it's also against review-rule 5. "Your review shouldn't be solely focused on your feelings about a specific genre." - but who am i to judge)

 

[Alig8r]

I don't want to sound like a filthy centrist but it's understandable why people got turned off by the 'big reveal' even though i still love the story myself. Calling casual games bad isn't right nor is the seething hatred for anything but a harem game. Since we are already talking about dark themes, options that lead to fallout between the twins would be cool as well for the people who don't want Haley. Like she keeps ignoring/defending he pedo and MC has had enough.

Personally i feel like this pedo teacher fiasco will stretch across many updates and will be the huge shadow that makes rest of the sexual encounters unenjoyable. I hope we're not told we're monsters for not sticking to one girl. Sandra is absolutely lovely and i wouldn't want her to go. We can wrap up the boss lady's storyline by putting a baby in her and then settling down with Haley and Sandra. Rest i don't care about.

Really hope we fuck the filthy old shitstain's daughter to get back at him. I don't mean manipulate/rape, just two adults doing it and a nice video to go along with it. "Don't like it when it's your own daughter huh?" XD. I'd be pissed if we're told to be content with 'being the better person' by not taking revenge. Can't wait for future updates!

 

[Holy Bacchus]

All these incoming 1*-reviews are just ridiculous imo, sry

"I just to love the game..." - yeah, that's why you didn't reviewed it before? And sure you are a patron since ever, right?

You don't like where the story is going? ok, move on, what's the problem? 99% of the games on this site are just "click-and-fuck" without any meaningful story, or adult-storytelling.

Writing an 1*-review, just because you are personally offended, that the story takes a turn, that you don't like.......man, grow up

(imo it's also against review-rule 5. "Your review shouldn't be solely focused on your feelings about a specific genre." - but who am i to judge)

Report them. I have on the grounds that they spoil a key part of the story and have asked that they be removed for doing so.

 

[Joshua Tree]

Really hope we fuck the filthy old shitstain's daughter to get back at him. I don't mean manipulate/rape, just two adults doing it and a nice video to go along with it. "Don't like it when it's your own daughter huh?" XD. I'd be pissed if we're told to be content with 'being the better person' by not taking revenge. Can't wait for future updates!

You are such a nice person...

Step daughter wasn't it? If she is "abused" by the dude, you want to abuse her some more to get back at him. In what twisted world does that make sense? You got issues man. Hope you don't practice what you advocate.

 

[Goblin Baily: DILF]

I saw it as a light-hearted tale too but this new twist has me intrigued and I enjoy character development. I'm invested enough in these characters that I'm willing to see it through it to the end, but I feel like a lot of people just aren't open-minded enough to realise that this isn't the story they want to see, it's the story the dev wants to tell and they can tell it however they like. People can not like it as much as they want, but don't go around saying that it's the wrong thing to do when you're not the one telling the story and you don't know how this is all going to play out.

People get far too possessive of stuff that isn't theirs to possess when all they have to do is just say, "well, it's not my cup of tea, but it is what it is so let's just see where this goes." But instead they get all pissy about arbitrary points and become so triggered by plot development that isn't to their specific liking that they act as though it's a personal attack on them and their enjoyment.



No, I don't believe that what puts these complainers off is understanding the severity of the issue and disliking the heavy nature of it because many of them have made it quite clear that they simply don't want any drama in the game at all. Again, there is an abudance of games and VNs with shallow stories and shallow characters if that's what people want, and whilst this one could have done a better job of laying the groundwork for being a dramatic game and for this shift in narrative, the dev clearly wants this to be something that has a little more depth than most other adult games and that's perfectly OK.

I get the need for escapism in these games, to leave the world behind for a little while and jump into another world with no worries, cares, or dramas, but hard-hitting stories with hard-hitting subject matter can be even more satisfying as they can actually make you feel something for the characters and their story. But the complainers don't want to feel, they just want to have a quick fap to some hot pics and not have to think about anything, which is OK and there's nothing wrong with that, but just because a game wants to have a more serious plot doesn't ruin it, it enhances it and elevates it above the typical fodder.

Exploring a character's backstory and history is not a problem nor is the subject matter of it, how it was handled can certainly be considered a problem, but overall this is an interesting new direction for the game and I for one am very curious to see how it plays out.

You are missing one point. MC and Haley have always been close... she would have told him sooner

 

[ijako3]

You are missing one point. MC and Haley have always been close... she would have told him sooner

I mean, victims of stuff like that don't even tell the truth to people that are closest to them usually.

It takes a lot for something like that to be revealed, and the other group of people that went through that and couldn't find the strenght say anything about it or seek help usually end up killing themselves.

Source? Many of IRL reports about suicidal deaths and their causes.

 

[Alig8r]

You are such a nice person...

Step daughter wasn't it? If she is "abused" by the dude, you want to abuse her some more to get back at him. In what twisted world does that make sense? You got issues man. Hope you don't practice what you advocate.

It's pretty clear i meant consensual sex between two adult humans when i said

I don't mean manipulate/rape, just two adults doing it and a nice video to go along with it.

I didn't mean it any other way.

 

[vir_cotto]

I mean, victims of stuff like that don't even tell the truth to people that are closest to them usually.

It takes a lot for something like that to be revealed, and the other group of people that went through that and couldn't find the strenght say anything about it or seek help usually end up killing themselves.

Source? Many of IRL reports about suicidal deaths and their causes.

And still, it's pretty obvious that their mother knows about that event, hence her different treatment of Haley.

 

[Joshua Tree]

And still, it's pretty obvious that their mother knows about that event, hence her different treatment of Haley.

In that case it's more about the mother think she been a "bad girl", not so much an abused one. Because that would leave different emotions and reactions at a level the mc couldn't really missed went on back then.

 

[magus448]

So if a woman who has multiple sexual partners is a used bike, what does that make a guy who has multiple sexual partners?
Should he be regarded as a used up form of transport by women or do you think it's OK for men but not for women?

God, this kind of outdated, misogynistic way of thinking really makes my blood boil.

I think your putting words into their mouth or projecting. I think what they meant was used car = 10-15 partners, town bike= 60-100+ in a short span of time. I do wonder who she was having "lots of sex" with. Either Klaus or Jack.

 

[ijako3]

And still, it's pretty obvious that their mother knows about that event, hence her different treatment of Haley.

Easy story solution, if she indeed knew and did nothing then you kill the mother and Klaus, steal all their money and after that ride into the sunset just to get caught by cops, you end up in prison, released at the age of 80 and you spend the rest of your old days with Haley in a camper you once again stole from some young couple.

 

[magus448]

Easy story solution, if she indeed knew and did nothing then you kill the mother and Klaus, steal all their money and after that ride into the sunset just to get caught by cops, you end up in prison, released at the age of 80 and you spend the rest of your old days with Haley in a camper you once again stole from some young couple.

If mom did know, why didn't she contact the authorities? Was the happy illusion of her family more important than putting that guy away and getting justice for her daughter?

 

[vir_cotto]

If mom did know, why didn't she contact the authorities? Was the happy illusion of her family more important than putting that guy away?

She blamed the daughter. Again, that's far from a rarity in RL.