VN Ren'Py Completed Haley's Story [v1.1 Pre-Patched] [Viitgames]

[Long John Silver]

I don't have any issue with rape appearing in the story. Traumatic events when done properly can be hard hitting and lead to a much more engaging story with more multidimensional characters.

It's clear Haley hasn't come to terms with the event which is completely understandable, especially as she was only 15 when it happened. Additionally it seems she told her Mother, which then caused a rift in their relationship. Again, it's understandable that she has taken a long time to tell her brother, fearing the same might happen to their relationship.

HOWEVER.

The way the event was revealed was poorly done; previous sexual assaults don't often make their way into pillow talk, especially just after the first time together. Haley steered the conversation to that event, admitted knowing that it would upset/anger the MC and continued anyway, then just peaced out, letting the reveal fester with the MC. That, coupled with her seduction of MC as soon as he gets a stable relationship, her treatment of Sandra/MC's relationship, the ex girlfriend prostitute reveal, and her other behavior makes her appear incredibly manipulative. Whilst no characters are perfect, her persistent manipulative character, for me, is inherently unlikable.

There are lot of people here who are using straw man arguments to say that people dislike the game because of some NTR fallacy, or people don't understand sexual assault, or people don't understand people. It's none of that, I just plain don't like the writing or the characters, which only seem to be worsening as time goes on. "DoN't pLaY iT tHeN" - I'm not going to.

 

[Lotex]

Take a look at the thread and reviews since last update, some people are really triggered. If the end of the game is something like Acting Lessons this gonna be an epic shitstorm

Depends on the turn and the characters I guess, but a few seem to be already pretty butthurt here.

Yeah but it can't be mutual when it's with an under-age person. She can't consent if she's below the age of consent.

The idea of "Let's fuck" can be mutual, it would just be a problem in a juristic sense. The moral point of view is debatable.

Neutral stance? Lmao what? Haley is terrified of her brother leaving her, she wouldn't lie. You don't go to the nearest park to fuck a kid in a moment of weakness. Cheat on your wife with an adult woman? Sure. Fuck an underage girl you're supposed to teach? No.

That's what you see, I had the impression that she's unsure about everything, if it'll work out, what they should do, how they should handle things and if they can do that at all, but I don't see her as terrified and I don't suspect that it was a logic situation they were in, especially since it doesn't seem like it was an affair type of thing, but more like a heat of the moment hook up.

 

[Segnbora]

Nothing that's happened in the actual story so far has surprised me as much as the number of players who apparently didn't realize this was, first and foremost, an incest game.

 

[fzaner]

all what i understanded is that maybe haley using her brother as a sex material, no more. klaus did really left a big hole in haley, the way she told mc to say sush things as you are mine and stuff.

so... the weired thing and the question is why her brother of all ? she has a boyfriend.

maybe she's still in contact with klaus and he's enjoying corrupting her by tellin her to fuck mc ?

maybe because she was under-aged, klaus used her and dumped her and she couldn't get over him. so she saw redemptien on MC ?

the mother's behaviour may explein that she maybe knowed and forced haley to stop relationship between klaus and haley and that might be the answer of questioning her sanity.

anyways... i enjoyed being "the mistress" of the office lady and yeah... the old bruise in her belly might explein that she's also got abused since this game is all about female rape victims.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

Nothing that's happened in the actual story so far has surprised me as much as the number of players who apparently didn't realize this was, first and foremost, an incest game.

The game is called Haley's Story and these people want to be able to avoid Haley.

 

[Long John Silver]

The game is called Haley's Story and these people want to be able to avoid Haley.

Being a titular character doesn't absolve them of being inherently unlikable. Nor do I see what being an incest game has anything to do with it.

 

[Segnbora]

The fact that she's the titular character means that the game will be about her. If one finds her unlikable, it would seem to be the very definition of insanity to continue to play a game with her in the central role, as that titular character designation hasn't changed. "Geez, I really can't stand that fucking Frodo, so I'm going to read the next two books and hope he's not in them."

Incest is relevant because there are a bunch of people upthread complaining that they've unexpectedly found themselves in an incest game, which should've been apparent from the very beginning. The MC is the titular character's twin brother. What did they think the game was going to be about, farming?

 

[215303j]

I think that Haley is not telling the (whole) truth.

There are several indications:
- "Only" two previous sex partners, but she "fucks a lot"? Why that comment?
- She didn't fuck a guy she liked (Nick) but did fuck a guy for whom she felt "pity" (Mr. Klaus) and another guy she doesn't like (present BF), all while having a crush on her brother?
- She consistently denies that her relationship with Mr. Klaus was wrong but still avoids the subject
- What's going on between Haley and Mom? And what's the role of Dad?
- The story about the school toilet: why?

So I think she may be lying about several things in her past. Maybe it was "worse" than we are led to believe, but maybe it was also "better". Maybe she's trying to retroactively compete with her brother in promiscuity. She sees him having success with the opposite sex, while all she got was a loser boyfriend and an abusive teacher. Therefore she tries to one-up the MC by exagerrating her own sexual history, only to see it blowing up in her face, but now she can't go back anymore...

Just an idea, future updates will tell....

 

[Long John Silver]

The fact that she's the titular character means that the game will be about her. If one finds her unlikable, it would seem to be the very definition of insanity to continue to play a game with her in the central role, as that titular character designation hasn't changed. "Geez, I really can't stand that fucking Frodo, so I'm going to read the next two books and hope he's not in them."

Unfortunately then, as with most critique of a game (or any media), it's met with:

"DoN't pLaY iT tHeN" - I'm not going to.

 

[Methos23]

The game is called Haley's Story and these people want to be able to avoid Haley.

Because Adriana is number 1 wish the game was about her

 

[jamdan]

I think that Haley is not telling the (whole) truth.

There are several indications:
- "Only" two previous sex partners, but she "fucks a lot"? Why that comment?
- She didn't fuck a guy she liked (Nick) but did fuck a guy for whom she felt "pity" (Mr. Klaus) and another guy she doesn't like (present BF), all while having a crush on her brother?
- She consistently denies that her relationship with Mr. Klaus was wrong but still avoids the subject
- What's going on between Haley and Mom? And what's the role of Dad?
- The story about the school toilet: why?

So I think she may be lying about several things in her past. Maybe it was "worse" than we are led to believe, but maybe it was also "better". Maybe she's trying to retroactively compete with her brother in promiscuity. She sees him having success with the opposite sex, while all she got was a loser boyfriend and an abusive teacher. Therefore she tries to one-up the MC by exagerrating her own sexual history, only to see it blowing up in her face, but now she can't go back anymore...

Just an idea, future updates will tell....

I think most of those are easily explained.

- She has only had sex with 2 people, but she fucked them a lot (maybe one more than the other). "Fucks a lot" doesn't necessarily mean she "Fucks with a lot of people".
- Yes, she may have liked Nick but she didn't have sex with him. She was manipulated into sexing Klaus. She obviously at one point liked her BF, or else she wouldn't have made him her BF. None of that has anything to do with the crush on her brother, she obviously was conflicted about that and she obviously wouldn't just say "Hey bro, wanna fuck".
- She was manipulated, she probably blames herself for it.
- The parents might know about it, dad is protective so he is nicer to her and the mom blames her so she is mean.
- I think thats just a random story.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

Being a titular character doesn't absolve them of being inherently unlikable. Nor do I see what being an incest game has anything to do with it.

If people don't like her character, fine, but to think that you can avoid having any sexual interactions in an adult game with the character for whom this game was named after is lunacy of the highest order. Two basic thought processes failed to occur for these people:

1. An adult game with the name of a character in the titlle either means you're playing as that character or are going to have sex with that character.
2. Since the MC is the brother of the titular character, this means they're going to have sex, therefore incest.

 

[Gardan]

Nice game with all the TAGS I like !!

 

[JesterHell]

Impliyed where? She told about all of her sexual life in the 0.55 update, she wasn't the one giving head in the WC.

In the part where she talk about it combine with the conversation with Nick and the talk about the teacher I personally get the impression that she is piece by piece revealing they things she did to avoid/distract herself from her attraction to the MC, she SAYS it wasn't her but I personally get the impression that it was her and that the Mom both knows what she did and why she did it.

Hence why its IMHO and not a statement of objective fact, this is what I got from the interaction and dialog, the problem with "revealing secrets" is that it makes me question whether the "reveal" is honest, once a liar always a liar and to lie by omission is a thing.

This is ultimately the core of my issue, she not a "new" person and she has been hiding things for years, it would be one thing if she was openly promiscuous or a new acquaintance with an unknown past but too have hidden it from MC for years makes her untrustworthy In My Personal Opinion causing me to doubt her claim that it wasn't her in the WC.

Its why Sandra not telling the MC of her past is a non-issue, shes "new" and what happened before meeting is history but that doesn't apply with Haley because it wasn't "history" when it happened and the MC was there.

 

[ZTex]

Being a titular character doesn't absolve them of being inherently unlikable. Nor do I see what being an incest game has anything to do with it.

 

[JesterHell]

So if a woman who has multiple sexual partners is a used bike, what does that make a guy who has multiple sexual partners?
Should he be regarded as a used up form of transport by women or do you think it's OK for men but not for women?

God, this kind of outdated, misogynistic way of thinking really makes my blood boil.

When did I say that it OK for men but not women? did you not read the bit about how I also got the bug where if you go with Adriana without being in a relationship it treats it as if you where in one?

If you are promiscuous male or female you are the community bike, my brother was a total man whore that would stick his dick in anything he could and I never agreed with it or did it myself even turning down his numerous offers to "set me up with sluts" because that is not what I like.

Now, having had multiple partners is the used car in that analogy but "fucking around" and giving blow jobs for cash is a community bike because "everyone's had a ride", their is nothing wrong with this in itself, if it is what you agreed to but if you find out after the fact that its not just a few ex-partners but a train of Johns then it is different because its a lie by omission.

To use the car analogy again, its one thing is the seller is honest about the miles the car has done its another if they've fucked with the odometer to mislead you on its mileage.


But ignoring all that I don't really give a single fuck if it make your blood boil, good and evil, right and wrong are in just social constructs with no evidence of them being objective universal truths, so the rightness or wrongness of an action is relative to the values of the individual and society.

Human beings are animal and all animals are biological self-replicating machines, humans as organic machines ware down over time, its why tilers get fucked knees and bricklayers fucked backs, at the end of the day life itself is just a self propagating chemical reaction powered by the sun.

 

[JesterHell]

Jesus Christ, that's dumb! Have you any earthly idea just how difficult it is for victims of sexual abuse to tell someone about it, let alone a member of their own family? Do you honestly believe there would have been a moment, in their entire lives leading up to that moment, where Haley would just tell him, "hey, my first time was with my married male tutor when I was 15 who may or may not have pressured me into it"? The only reason she told him about was because, after having just had sex with each other for the first time, she was telling him how much better it was than her first time. When the hell would it have been appropriate for her to tell him about her first time before they were sexually active with each other?

I've said it before and I'll say it again, some people on this thread really don't know the first thing about people.

Can only go from personal experience and when my cousin (mothers brothers daughter) was abused by her step father everyone in the family knew about it, just like when my other cousin (fathers sisters daughter) was abused by the neighbour everyone in the family knew about it.

Other cousin (mothers sisters son) in rehab? everyone knows, sisters abortion? everyone knows, my uncles "not daughter" aka the daughter from a fling that he wants nothing to do with, everybody knows, some people don't accept the idea secrets in the family for any reason, a lie by omission is still a lie.

 

[ZTex]

I think most of those are easily explained.
- She has only had sex with 2 people, but she fucked them a lot (maybe one more than the other). "Fucks a lot" doesn't necessarily mean she "Fucks with a lot of people".

Alternatively, she's embelishing her history to stoke her brothers sense of jealously hoping that will push him over the edge and admit his feelings.

People lie about their experiences a lot. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Hailey has had exactly 2 partners and not that much experience to boast about. Not saying she's a virgin or dismissing the known prior relationships but that doesn't mean it's not possible that the teacher was all of twice along side her ex.

 

[Architect04]

So just getting on the game as of this last release the story does seem to have shifted a fair amount from the start.

The bathroom story was odd, The Klaus thing is odd, The mom is odd, Haleys shift in attitude/Mood is odd.

The bathroom story - Why would she be guarding the ex-gf of her brother who she has been in love with since they were young. Why would she stay around her, Why would she help her? My guess, It was altered. It was Haley doing it as a way of controlling her urges for MC and being frustrated and got caught. Could be a reason why the mom treats her different.

So lets go to the Mom - I thought it was weird how she acted but to see her room completely gone was really weird. My guess, At some point the kids were caught while they were younger doing something "sexual". Maybe it was just Haley, Maybe she was sneaking into MCs room and doing something. Maybe she just opened up to her mom about her feelings and it created a rift. Or to make the story even more complex the mom has some incestrual feeling towards her son and thats why the marriage is rocky.

The Klaus thing is odd because of how she acts - She brought it up so casually after sex but wont talk about it anymore. Rape? Probable. Maybe how it came about? She was obviously dating Nick because he was a doppelganger fat version of MC to try and repress feeling. Maybe she opened up to her teacher/tutor because she felt he was the only she could and this became blackmail or some how used as a opening to use sexual advances on her till the rape? Another reason the mom and her have a rift? Thats a bit of a stretch as the dad didnt seem upset at the mention of it and the guy is free and still lives in town.

Then her mood/attitude - She was always kinda flirty/sexual to a point with him. But then again she was trying to force him into this relationship with Sandra, I assume to try to forget him, But then almost as soon as they start dating she makes her advances. She is then ok with MC going out to find a prostitute with Lucy, Ok with Diana showing her pole skills and tits to MC, Fine with the notation of you being the bosses "Boy Toy" if you did that. She is ok with him being fuck buddies with anyone but still wants him to never leave her. She is like weirdly manipulative of him but also submissive to him at the same time. Maybe this is due to the "rape" and treatment from the mom that has her in this weird kinda split personality type situation.

IDK just my guess/theories on the story first time through the other night. I will say I have fully enjoyed it all, Its a nice change of pace to almost every other game that has to deal with Magic/Demons/Strange Powers. Anyone that made it to the end of this post got any other games similar?

 

[ZTex]

IDK just my guess/theories on the story first time through the other night. I will say I have fully enjoyed it all, Its a nice change of pace to almost every other game that has to deal with Magic/Demons/Strange Powers. Anyone that made it to the end of this post got any other games similar?

Just look for the other games by Ptlomey, they all have roughly the same quality of story/build up.
If you're explicitly looking for similar incest but non-magic/demon then try Sins of the Father / Freeloading Family / Sisterly Lust / Parental Love.