VN Ren'Py Completed Haley's Story [v1.1 Pre-Patched] [Viitgames]

[apnea111]

Is there a therapy for the betrayal syndrom you diaqnosed for the people that didnt like the turn of the story?

Any book to suggest about "viewing women the right way" also for the people that didnt like the turn of the story?

Any guideline to increase our empathy towards rape victims also for the people that didnt like the turn of the story?

Is there a "how to deal with a rape case of a close person for dummies" so we can figure out how it makes sense to reveal the case to buddies or fuckbuddies, also for the people that didnt like the turn of the story.

Because all it taked to figure out what Is trully happening, whas that Last posts.

That had nothing to do with evaluating Games content, rather than evaluating the people critisizing game content.

So its not the game thats faulted...
Its us who didnt like the turn on of events that are faulted on a deeper personal level!!!

Insecure, with betrayal syndrom, not knowing women, lacking empathy towards rape victims!!!

Already noted that the game if devs dont stop dragging out the drama will turn Into full parody.

Already seeing this in the disqusion.

 

[DarkSithLord47]

They feel betrayed she's damaged. She's been defiled in their eyes. The fairy tale is over for many. Since she breaks the news, she betrayed them. They can't look at her the same way anymore.

Please stop talking in behalf of of the people who think the game is not what it used to be anymore and and/or think the game has turned into shit on that patronizing note like you're better then us cause you have the maturity to understand how things are in real life. People dislike the game now for different reasons : the introduction of the rape plot,how it was introduced,at what time and place,Haley's view on that matter,Mc's reaction on that matter,the fact that the story seems to go nowhere now that all those things have been reveled,Haley lying and manipulating her brother,Mc's lack of spine to push the subject further (note that Haley said they will talk about it,so i dont see the problem in that) and many more so lets cut the whole ''The fairy tale is over for many'' crap because yeah this started as a comedy/romance game and that's what we all signed up for,nobody knew the shit turn of events that was gonna happen and how poorly the devs would handle it.Again stop assuming shit about others personal life and or how we see women and all that,we're here to talk about the game so lets not take it personal...

 

[Darth Bane]

You guys sound traumatized? Do you n

Please stop talking in behalf of of the people who think the game is not what it used to be anymore and and/or think the game has turned into shit on that patronizing note like you're better then us cause you have the maturity to understand how things are in real life. People dislike the game now for different reasons : the introduction of the rape plot,how it was introduced,at what time and place,Haley's view on that matter,Mc's reaction on that matter,the fact that the story seems to go nowhere now that all those things have been reveled,Haley lying and manipulating her brother,Mc's lack of spine to push the subject further (note that Haley said they will talk about it,so i dont see the problem in that) and many more so lets cut the whole ''The fairy tale is over for many'' crap because yeah this started as a comedy/romance game and that's what we all signed up for,nobody knew the shit turn of events that was gonna happen and how poorly the devs would handle it.Again stop assuming shit about others personal life and or how we see women and all that,we're here to talk about the game so lets not take it personal...

Not mentioned in my comment.
Identifies himself as being called out in my comment.
Writes wall of text stating he's gripe with the game has nothing to do with my comment. Huh?
Ummm... okay there team captain.

 

[DarkSithLord47]

You guys sound traumatized? Do you n

Not mentioned in my comment.
Identifies himself as being called out in my comment.
Writes wall of text stating he's gripe with the game has nothing to do with my comment. Huh?
Ummm... okay there team captain.

guess we're all traumatized them and only a few of the people who defend the game are normal and sane people. if that's all you could come up with after your previous comment then by all means go talk sarcasm to the ones who dont understand it. Another one ignored!

 

[Darth Bane]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Segnbora]

You can't sit here and say that .60 furthered the plot in any way shape or form for her realizing she was raped and handling it.

You're correct. I wouldn't. Because she's not the only character in the game, and there was plenty of story and development for one of the other major characters, including development specific to the Klaus story.

 

[preglovr12]

You know that the resolution of Haley/Klaus is going to take several episodes, and yet you seem upset that it wasn't resolved already. This is like the people who complain, "WHAT, the MC hasn't gotten into her pants YET!!!" in nearly every porn game distributed by Patreon.

Sorry I didn't make myself clear enough the first time. I'm upset they aren't handling it already, I know it can't be instantly resolved. I'm upset they've decided to put the main situation on the back burner to simmer for the sole purpose of stringing along the audience because, as I've said, there's not a great in universe explanation. I'm sure some of you can pull something out of your ass and I'm not saying that it's not a valid explanation, but does it not worry you, at least a little, that in the assumed 4-5 updates they have set aside to handle this, they aren't actually handling it? You're not worried that it won't feel like a compressed resolution, or that it will feel drawn out for the sake of drama? Hell, the way things are going wouldn't be surprised to watch then pull off both.

You're correct. I wouldn't. Because she's not the only character in the game, and there was plenty of story and development for one of the other major characters, including development specific to the Klaus story.

But there's absolutely no reason those couldn't have been in an update with her slowly opening herself up to MC (or the truth) about things.

 

[Walter Victor]

Sorry I didn't make myself clear enough the first time. I'm upset they aren't handling it already, I know it can't be instantly resolved. I'm upset they've decided to put the main situation on the back burner to simmer for the sole purpose of stringing along the audience because, as I've said, there's not a great in universe explanation. I'm sure some of you can pull something out of your ass and I'm not saying that it's not a valid explanation, but does it not worry you, at least a little, that in the assumed 4-5 updates they have set aside to handle this, they aren't actually handling it? You're not worried that it won't feel like a compressed resolution, or that it will feel drawn out for the sake of drama? Hell, the way things are going wouldn't be surprised to watch then pull off both.



But there's absolutely no reason those couldn't have been in an update with her slowly opening herself up to MC (or the truth) about things.

In other words, you are complaining that "HE HASN'T EVEN GOTTEN A HANDJOB FROM HER YET!!!". I really thought you were better than that. My mistake.

 

[apnea111]

Sorry I didn't make myself clear enough the first time. I'm upset they aren't handling it already, I know it can't be instantly resolved. I'm upset they've decided to put the main situation on the back burner to simmer for the sole purpose of stringing along the audience because, as I've said, there's not a great in universe explanation. I'm sure some of you can pull something out of your ass and I'm not saying that it's not a valid explanation, but does it not worry you, at least a little, that in the assumed 4-5 updates they have set aside to handle this, they aren't actually handling it? You're not worried that it won't feel like a compressed resolution, or that it will feel drawn out for the sake of drama? Hell, the way things are going wouldn't be surprised to watch then pull off both.



But there's absolutely no reason those couldn't have been in an update with her slowly opening herself up to MC (or the truth) about things.

0.55 was so cramped with events or plot twists they had to set again the story frame for players.

Clarify the bases of the story from now on. 0.60 Is like the initial release of the second part of the story.

From all the shit thrown Into 0.55 make clear Whats important or not to the progression of the story.

So As expected there was nothing behind the schools toilet or the mcs fat clone scenes that wiil affect the future of the story.
They treated the panties in the room scene As a gig and not As a real cliffhanger, so the exposure of siblings relationship isnt imminent.

They highlighted that Haleys parents relationship (especially the one with her Mother) Is an issue. Didnt look deeper Into that. Its pending.

Postponed the mcs Mr Klaus confortation. But highlighted mcs will to do it. Pending

Backtracked from Haleys willingness to disquss the issue openly with MC. She Is now presented not ready to do so. Pending.

The resolution to the Haleys teacher case isnt easy and imminent but the only thing moving forward to that, Is victors envolvment. Pending
(they just had to possibly rape the 2nd main fc for that, and present someone revealing his Sister rape case to typical buddies or fuckbuddies but who are we to question the masterplan?)

Reminded the preexesting issue with siblings side relationships, and left all options open. Pending.

Gave glimpses of an ideal common feature for the couple, reminding all the challenges a relationship of such nature faces. Pending.

Couple Is having sex As nothing has happened so fappers are happy. Not pending.
(Well there Is the constant presence of the elephant in the room, and haley keeps adressing her brother in a way he thinks was adressing her rapist, but again who are we to question the masterplan).

So they had to set the frame of Whats coming in 0.60. Clear out Some shit from 0.55 while rearranging Some other. Yet again failing to avoid throwing Some additional shit with sandra case.

Against others opinion Last 2 updates havent depthened characters or story but widthened them. They should Stop bringing up additional elements to it before it becomes even more overbloated.

And Start dealing with Already established issues.
I dont know for ex for how long there gonna keep going with the daddy references. Its an issue easilly solvable. All it takes Is a direct disqussion in a meaningfull manner. Not in the autistic one presented in Last two updates.

EDIT.

DONT EVER QUESTION THE MASTERPLAN. YOU ARE BETTER THAN THAT

 

[preglovr12]

In other words, you are complaining that "HE HASN'T EVEN GOTTEN A HANDJOB FROM HER YET!!!". I really thought you were better than that. My mistake.

If you really want to stick to that metaphor, no, you're wrong. I'm upset Haley said she'd call MC and now she's leaving him high and dry. In .55 (or .60) she said they'd talk when they got home. In .60, they got home and aren't talking and nothings changed in the game to explain why.

 

[preglovr12]

0.55 was so cramped with events or plot twists they had to set again the story frame for players.

Clarify the bases of the story from now on. 0.60 Is like the initial release of the second part of the story.

So they had to set the frame of Whats coming in 0.60. Clear out Some shit from 0.55 while rearranging Some other. Yet again failing to avoid throwing Some additional shit with sandra case.

Against others opinion Last 2 updates havent depthened characters or story but widthened them. They should Stop bringing up additional elements to it before it becomes even more overbloated.

And Start dealing with Already established issues.
I dont know for ex for how long there gonna keep going with the daddy references. Its an issue easilly solvable. All it takes Is a direct disqussion in a meaningfull manner. Not in the autistic one presented in Last two updates.

I feel like everyone still here willing to defend this game is so laser focused on the issue people have with rape and defending it as an artistic choice, that they're blind to all this bullshit writing you pointed out. I'm not inside their heads so clearly I don't know what they think, but to me Viit has made so many missteps and mistakes that thinking anything good can come out of all this is nearly laughable. As you pointed out, .55 threw SO MUCH shit at the wall it came off as almost wanting to be offensive, and aggressively so (like The Last Jedi). And, as you pointed out, .60 seems like a recontextualization of the whole story pointing out what from .55 didn't matter and what did, while also completely putting any actual progression on hold where it matters most.

That's the crux of the issue. There's no narrative reason why the rape discussion is being put on hold, but it is anyway.

And before anyone says anything, unlike some people here I'm not here to tell you your opinion is wrong, or that mine is more right, but I'd like for all of us to be on the same page at least, and judging by some responses, I'm not entirely sure we are. I know some of you will disagree, but I'd like to know why, and "you should trust the author" isn't a reason. You trusting the author is of course, but if you do, maybe you should play devils advocate with yourself and replay the story, because I smell a lot of bullshit.

EDIT.

DONT EVER QUESTION THE MASTERPLAN. YOU ARE BETTER THAN THAT

Eh, apparently not.

 

[Penfold Mole]

Well the story isn't about teletubbies, for sure. My brain says "Yum, thanks!"

 

[Segnbora]

I'm upset they aren't handling it already, I know it can't be instantly resolved.

But "they" are. The MC's and Klaus' stories have been moved forward. So have Victor's, Adriana's if you played that route, and possibly even Sandra's in a way that brings them (thus far unwittingly) into the Klaus/Haley story. The MC has been proactive, twice. The storyline is progressing.

 

[Walter Victor]

But "they" are. The MC's and Klaus' stories have been moved forward. So have Victor's, Adriana's if you played that route, and possibly even Sandra's in a way that brings them (thus far unwittingly) into the Klaus/Haley story. The MC has been proactive, twice. The storyline is progressing.

I wonder if we should even try explaining things like that anymore. The people who think the game is now complete crap are not about to listen. Nor are those still invested in the story about to abandon it because of the arguments of others.

I still wonder (I'm in awe, actually), that they continually bother to come here to trash a game they despise. It doesn't sound like they intend to play it further. Unless it's just so they can complain some more about how terrible it is. A fat lot it's doing for them. But, to each his own, I guess. Some people just like to argue.

 

[Walter Victor]

I feel like everyone still here willing to defend this game is so laser focused on the issue people have with rape and defending it as an artistic choice, that they're blind to all this bullshit writing you pointed out. I'm not inside their heads so clearly I don't know what they think, but to me Viit has made so many missteps and mistakes that thinking anything good can come out of all this is nearly laughable. As you pointed out, .55 threw SO MUCH shit at the wall it came off as almost wanting to be offensive, and aggressively so (like The Last Jedi). And, as you pointed out, .60 seems like a recontextualization of the whole story pointing out what from .55 didn't matter and what did, while also completely putting any actual progression on hold where it matters most.

That's the crux of the issue. There's no narrative reason why the rape discussion is being put on hold, but it is anyway.

And before anyone says anything, unlike some people here I'm not here to tell you your opinion is wrong, or that mine is more right, but I'd like for all of us to be on the same page at least, and judging by some responses, I'm not entirely sure we are. I know some of you will disagree, but I'd like to know why, and "you should trust the author" isn't a reason. You trusting the author is of course, but if you do, maybe you should play devils advocate with yourself and replay the story, because I smell a lot of bullshit.




Eh, apparently not.

So, do you intend to keep playing this game, or not?

 

[apnea111]

I feel like everyone still here willing to defend this game is so laser focused on the issue people have with rape and defending it as an artistic choice, that they're blind to all this bullshit writing you pointed out. I'm not inside their heads so clearly I don't know what they think, but to me Viit has made so many missteps and mistakes that thinking anything good can come out of all this is nearly laughable. As you pointed out, .55 threw SO MUCH shit at the wall it came off as almost wanting to be offensive, and aggressively so (like The Last Jedi). And, as you pointed out, .60 seems like a recontextualization of the whole story pointing out what from .55 didn't matter and what did, while also completely putting any actual progression on hold where it matters most.

That's the crux of the issue. There's no narrative reason why the rape discussion is being put on hold, but it is anyway.

And before anyone says anything, unlike some people here I'm not here to tell you your opinion is wrong, or that mine is more right, but I'd like for all of us to be on the same page at least, and judging by some responses, I'm not entirely sure we are. I know some of you will disagree, but I'd like to know why, and "you should trust the author" isn't a reason. You trusting the author is of course, but if you do, maybe you should play devils advocate with yourself and replay the story, because I smell a lot of bullshit.




Eh, apparently not.

Well i live in Europe.
When i say football i mean the actual one thats played with feet.
Cant understand wtf Is american "football"

Even i dont understand it i am sure that if i watched a game or two i would figure it out. After all its a game. And Games are defined by rules or principals.

In HS the frame Is set in 0.60. But wtf are the rules to storys progression?

If in order to progress with the resolution of 1st main fc rape case, you rape the 2nd one Whats the rule here?

The rule Is that arent no rules that make common sense and story progresses with a series of highly rare, defining logic unfortunate events.

Every New rare poorly justified case introduced into the story leaves an inprint in it. Making it more of an daily soap Opera than a solid story.

Already a dozen of issues are introduced. Dev should set rules and principals about storys progression and Start dealing with the Already established issues

Before it turns Into a Complete parody or a farse.

 

[Ragnar]

 

[preglovr12]

But "they" are. The MC's and Klaus' stories have been moved forward. So have Victor's, Adriana's if you played that route, and possibly even Sandra's in a way that brings them (thus far unwittingly) into the Klaus/Haley story. The MC has been proactive, twice. The storyline is progressing.

I am in no way throwing this back in your face. Let me repeat myself for the people in the back. I am in no way throwing this back in your face, but what do you love to say? Something along the lines of "what's the name of the game?" I fully understand what you're saying. The edges of the game are moving forward, and the edges point inward. I don't disagree in the slightest. The problem is .60 turned this into a hurricane. The stagnant middle is where everything is important and nothing is happening. The rape situation is not being handled in any way despite an in-game promise it would. MC is finding out how to deal with Klaus, but not how to help Haley deal with herself and what happened. I know you know the story doesn't end with revenge.

You've said yourself that it'd take a writer of high quality to pull this story off, and I ask you, would a high quality writer put the crux of the issue on hold with absolutely no reason to do so in universe? Especially after Haley said she'd talk about it once they got home?

I submit a good writer wouldn't let anything get in the way of his story and its progression, but .60 reeks of outside influence. Be that something from Ptolemy or even fan backlash, not handling Haley's progression to understanding she was raped while also having her and MC have sex just feels disingenuous. It seems like only the fappers would be happy with .60, as I'm not sure how anyone that's actually following the story could be. As I said, the outside stuff was handled well but Haley's stuff wasn't.

So, do you intend to keep playing this game, or not?

Fuck yeah, I love a good train wreck. Plus I can't let this thread become an utterly pointless echo chamber.

 

[Segnbora]

I am in no way throwing this back in your face, but what do you love to say? Something along the lines of "what's the name of the game?"

Haley has a story in this update. It's the deepening of her romantic and sexual relationship with her brother. That's the game's "A plot" and she's still living it. Since she doesn't acknowledge the existence of the "B plot" that's a completely sensible story for her to be having.

The rape situation is not being handled in any way despite an in-game promise it would. MC is finding out how to deal with Klaus, but not how to help Haley deal with herself and what happened. I know you know the story doesn't end with revenge.

It is, though. The MC's trying to find out more about Klaus. He is, one presumes, about to receive relevant advice from whatever Victor's about to say. It may not be the way you want to see it handled, but it's certainly being addressed.

I know you know the story doesn't end with revenge.

I presume "know" was meant to be "hope," but either way I'm fine with it ending in revenge, actually. It's not the only possible outcome that could satisfy me, but I think it's a likely outcome anyway. What I've repeatedly said is that I think lashing out (one assumes with violence of some sort) is one of the weakest solutions, the most likely to end up with someone other than Klaus being charged with a crime, and the most likely to retraumatize Haley. What I've also said is that the word "revenge" only applies to one character and, for it to have any narrative logic, has to come from that character. That character's not the MC.

To the extent that the MC puts himself at the center of dealing with Haley's rape he's going to fail to address the problem. If the next stage — whether or not it's the next update — is Victor (or Sandra, or Adriana, or whoever) telling him exactly that, a great deal of progress towards a properly centered narrative will have been reached.

You've said yourself that it'd take a writer of high quality to pull this story off, and I ask you, would a high quality writer put the crux of the issue on hold with absolutely no reason to do so in universe?

I disagree with your premise that it's been put on hold. I've explained this twice. You don't need to agree with me, and obviously you don't or you wouldn't keep repeating the same thing over and over again, but I don't see much value in answering questions when I fundamentally reject their premise.

 

[preglovr12]

It is, though. The MC's trying to find out more about Klaus. He is, one presumes, about to receive relevant advice from whatever Victor's about to say. It may not be the way you want to see it handled, but it's certainly being addressed.

That's what I was trying to say though, thus I agree. When I say rape I mean Haley coming to the realization she was raped, not the revenge plot that was, as you said, developed in .60.

I presume "know" was meant to be "hope," but either way I'm fine with it ending in revenge, actually. It's not the only possible outcome that could satisfy me, but I think it's a likely outcome anyway. What I've repeatedly said is that I think lashing out (one assumes with violence of some sort) is one of the weakest solutions, the most likely to end up with someone other than Klaus being charged with a crime, and the most likely to retraumatize Haley. What I've also said is that the word "revenge" only applies to one character and, for it to have any narrative logic, has to come from that character. That character's not the MC.

Yeah, your interpretation is correct, though I do literally mean end. Revenge as the climax seems inevitable at this point, hopefully with Haley and not MC. I meant more "the story" in a metaphorical real life sense and not literally this game. Surprised to see you'd be okay with it ending in revenge though, that doesn't really seem like something you'd be for. Unless you didn't mean actually ending and just the climax.

I disagree with your premise that it's been put on hold. I've explained this twice. You don't need to agree with me, and obviously you don't or you wouldn't keep repeating the same thing over and over again, but I don't see much value in answering questions when I fundamentally reject their premise.

I see what you're saying with Victor about Viit not ignoring the plot a little better, but that's still MC's side of things and not Haley. I'd be surprised to hear you say that you'd be okay with Victor talking MC down and not having it be Haley, which would bond them together a little more, but you're right, MC has to get there somehow.

That said, I'm saying it's being put on hold because it is. Haley said in .55, and I quote: "When we get back, I can tell you more" and the absolute nail in the coffin: "You can ask me anything you want." MC asks, and definitely more than a few times as the time lapse in .60 gives us this: 'But whenever you'd bring up Mr. Klaus, she'd clam up or change the subject.'

How exactly is that not putting things on hold? I realize and agree the wheels are turning so to speak, but .55 hinted at some kind of conversation that would happen in .60, and .60 gave us jack shit.