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She had sex years ago with a teacher, rape or not rape aside, How is that betrayal?People fell in love with Haley, so they feel betrayed by her. They feel betrayed she's not perfect. It's an instinctual response
She had sex years ago with a teacher, rape or not rape aside, How is that betrayal?People fell in love with Haley, so they feel betrayed by her. They feel betrayed she's not perfect. It's an instinctual response
You are correct, of course.She had sex years ago with a teacher, rape or not rape aside, How is that betrayal?
They feel betrayed she's damaged. She's been defiled in their eyes. The fairy tale is over for many. Since she breaks the news, she betrayed them. They can't look at her the same way anymore.She had sex years ago with a teacher, rape or not rape aside, How is that betrayal?
Please stop talking in behalf of of the people who think the game is not what it used to be anymore and and/or think the game has turned into shit on that patronizing note like you're better then us cause you have the maturity to understand how things are in real life. People dislike the game now for different reasons : the introduction of the rape plot,how it was introduced,at what time and place,Haley's view on that matter,Mc's reaction on that matter,the fact that the story seems to go nowhere now that all those things have been reveled,Haley lying and manipulating her brother,Mc's lack of spine to push the subject further (note that Haley said they will talk about it,so i dont see the problem in that) and many more so lets cut the whole ''The fairy tale is over for many'' crap because yeah this started as a comedy/romance game and that's what we all signed up for,nobody knew the shit turn of events that was gonna happen and how poorly the devs would handle it.Again stop assuming shit about others personal life and or how we see women and all that,we're here to talk about the game so lets not take it personal...They feel betrayed she's damaged. She's been defiled in their eyes. The fairy tale is over for many. Since she breaks the news, she betrayed them. They can't look at her the same way anymore.
Not mentioned in my comment.Please stop talking in behalf of of the people who think the game is not what it used to be anymore and and/or think the game has turned into shit on that patronizing note like you're better then us cause you have the maturity to understand how things are in real life. People dislike the game now for different reasons : the introduction of the rape plot,how it was introduced,at what time and place,Haley's view on that matter,Mc's reaction on that matter,the fact that the story seems to go nowhere now that all those things have been reveled,Haley lying and manipulating her brother,Mc's lack of spine to push the subject further (note that Haley said they will talk about it,so i dont see the problem in that) and many more so lets cut the whole ''The fairy tale is over for many'' crap because yeah this started as a comedy/romance game and that's what we all signed up for,nobody knew the shit turn of events that was gonna happen and how poorly the devs would handle it.Again stop assuming shit about others personal life and or how we see women and all that,we're here to talk about the game so lets not take it personal...
guess we're all traumatized them and only a few of the people who defend the game are normal and sane people. if that's all you could come up with after your previous comment then by all means go talk sarcasm to the ones who dont understand it. Another one ignored!You guys sound traumatized? Do you n
Not mentioned in my comment.
Identifies himself as being called out in my comment.
Writes wall of text stating he's gripe with the game has nothing to do with my comment. Huh?
Ummm... okay there team captain.
You're correct. I wouldn't. Because she's not the only character in the game, and there was plenty of story and development for one of the other major characters, including development specific to the Klaus story.You can't sit here and say that .60 furthered the plot in any way shape or form for her realizing she was raped and handling it.
Sorry I didn't make myself clear enough the first time. I'm upset they aren't handling it already, I know it can't be instantly resolved. I'm upset they've decided to put the main situation on the back burner to simmer for the sole purpose of stringing along the audience because, as I've said, there's not a great in universe explanation. I'm sure some of you can pull something out of your ass and I'm not saying that it's not a valid explanation, but does it not worry you, at least a little, that in the assumed 4-5 updates they have set aside to handle this, they aren't actually handling it? You're not worried that it won't feel like a compressed resolution, or that it will feel drawn out for the sake of drama? Hell, the way things are going wouldn't be surprised to watch then pull off both.You know that the resolution of Haley/Klaus is going to take several episodes, and yet you seem upset that it wasn't resolved already. This is like the people who complain, "WHAT, the MC hasn't gotten into her pants YET!!!" in nearly every porn game distributed by Patreon.
But there's absolutely no reason those couldn't have been in an update with her slowly opening herself up to MC (or the truth) about things.You're correct. I wouldn't. Because she's not the only character in the game, and there was plenty of story and development for one of the other major characters, including development specific to the Klaus story.
In other words, you are complaining that "HE HASN'T EVEN GOTTEN A HANDJOB FROM HER YET!!!". I really thought you were better than that. My mistake.Sorry I didn't make myself clear enough the first time. I'm upset they aren't handling it already, I know it can't be instantly resolved. I'm upset they've decided to put the main situation on the back burner to simmer for the sole purpose of stringing along the audience because, as I've said, there's not a great in universe explanation. I'm sure some of you can pull something out of your ass and I'm not saying that it's not a valid explanation, but does it not worry you, at least a little, that in the assumed 4-5 updates they have set aside to handle this, they aren't actually handling it? You're not worried that it won't feel like a compressed resolution, or that it will feel drawn out for the sake of drama? Hell, the way things are going wouldn't be surprised to watch then pull off both.
But there's absolutely no reason those couldn't have been in an update with her slowly opening herself up to MC (or the truth) about things.
0.55 was so cramped with events or plot twists they had to set again the story frame for players.Sorry I didn't make myself clear enough the first time. I'm upset they aren't handling it already, I know it can't be instantly resolved. I'm upset they've decided to put the main situation on the back burner to simmer for the sole purpose of stringing along the audience because, as I've said, there's not a great in universe explanation. I'm sure some of you can pull something out of your ass and I'm not saying that it's not a valid explanation, but does it not worry you, at least a little, that in the assumed 4-5 updates they have set aside to handle this, they aren't actually handling it? You're not worried that it won't feel like a compressed resolution, or that it will feel drawn out for the sake of drama? Hell, the way things are going wouldn't be surprised to watch then pull off both.
But there's absolutely no reason those couldn't have been in an update with her slowly opening herself up to MC (or the truth) about things.
If you really want to stick to that metaphor, no, you're wrong. I'm upset Haley said she'd call MC and now she's leaving him high and dry. In .55 (or .60) she said they'd talk when they got home. In .60, they got home and aren't talking and nothings changed in the game to explain why.In other words, you are complaining that "HE HASN'T EVEN GOTTEN A HANDJOB FROM HER YET!!!". I really thought you were better than that. My mistake.
I feel like everyone still here willing to defend this game is so laser focused on the issue people have with rape and defending it as an artistic choice, that they're blind to all this bullshit writing you pointed out. I'm not inside their heads so clearly I don't know what they think, but to me Viit has made so many missteps and mistakes that thinking anything good can come out of all this is nearly laughable. As you pointed out, .55 threw SO MUCH shit at the wall it came off as almost wanting to be offensive, and aggressively so (like The Last Jedi). And, as you pointed out, .60 seems like a recontextualization of the whole story pointing out what from .55 didn't matter and what did, while also completely putting any actual progression on hold where it matters most.0.55 was so cramped with events or plot twists they had to set again the story frame for players.
Clarify the bases of the story from now on. 0.60 Is like the initial release of the second part of the story.
So they had to set the frame of Whats coming in 0.60. Clear out Some shit from 0.55 while rearranging Some other. Yet again failing to avoid throwing Some additional shit with sandra case.
Against others opinion Last 2 updates havent depthened characters or story but widthened them. They should Stop bringing up additional elements to it before it becomes even more overbloated.
And Start dealing with Already established issues.
I dont know for ex for how long there gonna keep going with the daddy references. Its an issue easilly solvable. All it takes Is a direct disqussion in a meaningfull manner. Not in the autistic one presented in Last two updates.
EDIT.
DONT EVER QUESTION THE MASTERPLAN. YOU ARE BETTER THAN THAT
But "they" are. The MC's and Klaus' stories have been moved forward. So have Victor's, Adriana's if you played that route, and possibly even Sandra's in a way that brings them (thus far unwittingly) into the Klaus/Haley story. The MC has been proactive, twice. The storyline is progressing.I'm upset they aren't handling it already, I know it can't be instantly resolved.
I wonder if we should even try explaining things like that anymore. The people who think the game is now complete crap are not about to listen. Nor are those still invested in the story about to abandon it because of the arguments of others.But "they" are. The MC's and Klaus' stories have been moved forward. So have Victor's, Adriana's if you played that route, and possibly even Sandra's in a way that brings them (thus far unwittingly) into the Klaus/Haley story. The MC has been proactive, twice. The storyline is progressing.
So, do you intend to keep playing this game, or not?I feel like everyone still here willing to defend this game is so laser focused on the issue people have with rape and defending it as an artistic choice, that they're blind to all this bullshit writing you pointed out. I'm not inside their heads so clearly I don't know what they think, but to me Viit has made so many missteps and mistakes that thinking anything good can come out of all this is nearly laughable. As you pointed out, .55 threw SO MUCH shit at the wall it came off as almost wanting to be offensive, and aggressively so (like The Last Jedi). And, as you pointed out, .60 seems like a recontextualization of the whole story pointing out what from .55 didn't matter and what did, while also completely putting any actual progression on hold where it matters most.
That's the crux of the issue. There's no narrative reason why the rape discussion is being put on hold, but it is anyway.
And before anyone says anything, unlike some people here I'm not here to tell you your opinion is wrong, or that mine is more right, but I'd like for all of us to be on the same page at least, and judging by some responses, I'm not entirely sure we are. I know some of you will disagree, but I'd like to know why, and "you should trust the author" isn't a reason. You trusting the author is of course, but if you do, maybe you should play devils advocate with yourself and replay the story, because I smell a lot of bullshit.
Eh, apparently not.
Well i live in Europe.I feel like everyone still here willing to defend this game is so laser focused on the issue people have with rape and defending it as an artistic choice, that they're blind to all this bullshit writing you pointed out. I'm not inside their heads so clearly I don't know what they think, but to me Viit has made so many missteps and mistakes that thinking anything good can come out of all this is nearly laughable. As you pointed out, .55 threw SO MUCH shit at the wall it came off as almost wanting to be offensive, and aggressively so (like The Last Jedi). And, as you pointed out, .60 seems like a recontextualization of the whole story pointing out what from .55 didn't matter and what did, while also completely putting any actual progression on hold where it matters most.
That's the crux of the issue. There's no narrative reason why the rape discussion is being put on hold, but it is anyway.
And before anyone says anything, unlike some people here I'm not here to tell you your opinion is wrong, or that mine is more right, but I'd like for all of us to be on the same page at least, and judging by some responses, I'm not entirely sure we are. I know some of you will disagree, but I'd like to know why, and "you should trust the author" isn't a reason. You trusting the author is of course, but if you do, maybe you should play devils advocate with yourself and replay the story, because I smell a lot of bullshit.
Eh, apparently not.