VN Ren'Py Completed Haley's Story [v1.1 Pre-Patched] [Viitgames]

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Penfold Mole said:
They hate it because they're supposed to hate it. Not everything in a good story is there for the readers to like. Some things are there to dislike or hate, unless the story is about the teletubbies.
If a reader doesn't have the guts to dig through the difficult parts of the story and drops it half way, he will miss the joy of overcoming the difficulties the characters are put through. Some readers do drop some stories that are too difficult for them to handle, there's nothing anyone can do about it. But it does not mean that the story is bad.
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The only one who thinks this story Is a about the teletubbies Is the one upvoting you Mate.

I dont know if you can understand the extentd of paranoia.

You accuse People that Cant deal with difficult subjects and Yet you Deny to aknowledge the difficult subjects.

That in Last updates we are dealing with the aftermath of a rape case. Everything in the story Is about that. And its expected to continue that way in several upcoming updates.

And that in most rape stories in which common logic Is applied, and not porn logic where rape Is just a side fapping material, the aftermath of the rape Is the main plot and not the act itself.

I mean when MC got wasted at the bar in Last update what you thing was the case?

He couldnt handle the extreme feeling of love and happiness?

What Is the vibe of Last two updates?

What Is the tonal Swift People discuss about?

The game has no sound. Even that was "love Is in the air" echoing through your head while playing 0.60?
 
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I am still not sure it really happened! Like Joshua Tree already said it can be some kind of self-sabotage, she has been always conflicted about their relationship. If you think how much she want Mc begin date Sandra.
 
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Penfold Mole said:
I guess they were supposed to get riled up, then. :p

This was there to show how little Haley thinks or cares about it and how much of a gut punch this was for the MC. This is the reason why the MC got so riled up. You have to understand why he is so angry now, otherwise it would make less sense.

The writer isn't scared of the readers to make them angry at him for the sake of the story. That is good in my book. I remember how angry were fans at Joss Whedon every time he killed another important and loved character in one of his TV-series. Some of them still are, totally unable to grasp how important it was for the story.
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Right. The MC is supposed to be riled up. That is the natural reaction when someone with whom you are abnormally close discloses something like this.
So are we, as players of the MC, not also supposed to be riled up at 1) the fact that Haley was raped in the first place (just like the MC), 2) they way in which it was disclosed, or 3) the person with whom it happened?

I don't understand why it's such a problem that players are angry with what happened along with the how and why, but it's completely appropriate that the MC is?

I understand that complaining about the direction the story has gone, or the quality of writing is tiring to read, and maybe in certain cases, unfair. But what's wrong with a fairly written, legitimate complaint (rare as it may be) that comes from the same place as the MC's justified anger in game? I doubt that everyone here plays games completely disconnected from the story, simply as a spectator. That's why many games let you name your character and play from a POV perspective. If these games were intended to be viewed from the lens of an outside spectator, maybe I could see why people complaining might be unjustified. But if you get immersed in a story, especially one where the primary love interest is as well-written as Haley, it only makes sense that you would be upset at that revelation, just like the MC.
 
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Penfold Mole said:
I guess they were supposed to get riled up, then. :p

This was there to show how little Haley thinks or cares about it and how much of a gut punch this was for the MC. This is the reason why the MC got so riled up. You have to understand why he is so angry now, otherwise it would make less sense.

The writer isn't scared of the readers to make them angry at him for the sake of the story. That is good in my book.
I remember how angry were fans at Joss Whedon every time he killed another important and loved character in one of his TV-series. Some of them still are, totally unable to grasp how important it was for the story.
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I agree with most of what you say, but I honestly think Haley is in either a little bit of denial about it, or just simple doesn't see it that way. Yes, the math teacher is a perv, yes it's statutory rape (in the U.S.), but I'm not sure how bothered Haley really is by it. Is that wrong? For me it would be, but I don't know if it is for her. For her it just seems like it was an experience. Once again, not my feeling, but what I think she feels.
 
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Penfold Mole said:
And you know so well that you're not supposed to hate the way she tells it? How should she serve this announcement then? With milk and cookies over a romantic dinner? Especially when she does not consider this being a rape at all?
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Besides what Joshua Tree said about her possibly sabotaging the thing from the start, how does that make any narrative sense? Unless we're supposed to be angry at Haley for how she tells us, but that doesn't make sense. We're supposed to feel bad for her but it's being undercut by the complete daftness of the scene. Don't forget she then tells MC she didn't want to make him angry while simultaneously doing everything she can do make MC angry.

And sure, she's supposed to be a flawed character, I get that, but there's MUCH better ways of writing one than that scene.
 
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Update 0.65
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This link is throwing all kinds of errors after I unpacked the game. not sure if it's on my end though, gonna wait for site release.
 
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