Walter Victor

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Many people disagree with me all the time.

I still say that if someone starts the game from the beginning, that person will more likely than not enjoy the game.
 

Walter Victor

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Actually, what I am saying is that people should play the game and judge for themselves, and not rely on my opinion or anyone else's.
 
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ptahn

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Many people disagree with me all the time.

I still say that if someone starts the game from the beginning, that person will more likely than not enjoy the game.
A validation of another of my theories. If someone plays the game now, they do not develop the attachment to the characters that some one who played it for months. You care less that Haley was raped.
 

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A validation of another of my theories. If someone plays the game now, they do not develop the attachment to the characters that some one who played it for months. You care less that Haley was raped.
Exactly. You see it as you should, as a plot device to add depth and meaning to the story. But saying that these new players don't care about a rape is extremely insulting. People who disagree with you are not necessarily uncaring.

I care very deeply about what happened to Haley, and yet I still love this game. But I want to make choices that will result in a positive ending for the principals involved, and I am looking forward to being able to do just that.
 

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A validation of another of my theories. If someone plays the game now, they do not develop the attachment to the characters that some one who played it for months. You care less that Haley was raped.
Was she raped? That all depends on the jurisdiction, now doesn't it? Example - in France she wouldn't have been.
 

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Exactly. You see it as you should, as a plot device to add depth and meaning to the story. But saying that these new players don't care about a rape is extremely insulting. People who disagree with you are not necessarily uncaring.

I care very deeply about what happened to Haley, and yet I still love this game. But I want to make choices that will result in a positive ending for the principals involved, and I am looking forward to being able to do just that.
You misread my post. I said care less. You obviously care more when misfortune strikes an old friend than you do a new acquaintance.
 
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Walter Victor

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Was she raped? That all depends on the jurisdiction, now doesn't it? Example - in France she wouldn't have been.
Please, not this argument again. I sincerely believe that Viitgames meant for it to be considered rape - a minor with a person of power and influence. Does it really matter what the actual laws are in every country in the world?
 

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Was she raped? That all depends on the jurisdiction, now doesn't it? Example - in France she wouldn't have been.
Really, we are going to start the statutory rape thing again? The story line is that Haley will come to see it as she was a victim of rape.
 
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in France she wouldn't have been.
Nope:

Article 227-27 prohibits sexual relations with minors over age 15 (aged 15, 16 or 17) "1° where they are committed by an ascendant or by any other person having a legal or factual authority over the victim; 2° where they are committed by a person abusing the authority conferred by his functions."
 
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Walter Victor

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You misread my post. I said care less. You obviously care more when misfortune strikes an old friend than you do a new acquaintance.
Sure. But when the character development is as skillfully done as it is in this game, new acquaintances quickly become old friends. You don't have to be around for months to recognize and appreciate that development. I believe that most of us here recognized it after the first release.
 

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Sure. But when the character development is as skillfully done as it is in this game, new acquaintances quickly become old friends. You don't have to be around for months to recognize and appreciate that development. I believe that most of us here recognized it after the first release.
I did not say anything about character development. I said that emotional attachment gets stronger over time. I'm guessing that you are more attached to friends you have had for years than to someone you met yesterday.
 
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The stupidity of thinking that because a few wrote something that becomes majority opinion (as long as they coincide with you).
 

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Trying to quantify someones attachment to a character or anyone is a fools errand. Its completely subjective and so are peoples reaction to the plot. You're welcome to have your theory as to who feels what and why they feel that way but the resulting argument is always going to be fruitless. This whole conversation dissolves into "i FEEL this way" and a rebuttal of "well i FEEL this way!" Whenever discusing a creative work the conversation will usually disolve into feelings unless we're talking about what objectively happened in the story so you're free to do so but i think as far as conversations go this is one of the most boring ones.
 

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Trying to quantify someones attachment to a character or anyone is a fools errand. Its completely subjective and so are peoples reaction to the plot. You're welcome to have your theory as to who feels what and why they feel that way but the resulting argument is always going to be fruitless. This whole conversation dissolves into "i FEEL this way" and a rebuttal of "well i FEEL this way!" Whenever discusing a creative work the conversation will usually disolve into feelings unless we're talking about what objectively happened in the story so you're free to do so but i think as far as conversations go this is one of the most boring ones.
But that the essence of most of the conversations here. There are some Q&A, but mostly it's I like red because and I like blue because. It's all about feelings, personal tastes, opinions. If it's only a discussion about facts, we get conversations about the legal age of consent in France.
 
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How much devs make on patreon is mostly down to luck. a lot of good games have fewer patrons that viit does.

his patron numbers have also been consistently trending up for a year, so the story changing didn't negatively impact anything. most of that negativity is just a group of posters here who didn't support him to begin with.
I think saying success it's mostly down to luck is insulting to some of the devs that work hard and make bank from their projects. It's true that once you reach a certain level it gets easier to sustain and grow your fan base, but getting there is the hard part. Haley's Story has been a great visual novel since day 1. I didn't like the twist and cancelled my pledge a couple of updates ago, but the game is still well above average, so it's not surprising it continues to grow it's earnings. It's also worth of note that Viitgames has the lowest membership level at 5 dollars, so that too helps bump the monthly earnings compared to other similar game, who usually start at 1 USD.

Also, posters on f95 tend have an impact, because for most of these titles it's the only place that has regular discussions going on about them, that are not the usual echo chamber dedicated discord channels tend to become over time. Not to mention the word of mouth can bring in a lot more future patrons than any product promotion. I guess having a top rated game on the biggest adult game forum, even if it's pirated content, can't hurt.
 
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