VN Ren'Py Completed Haley's Story [v1.1 Pre-Patched] [Viitgames]

[xjimsladex]

Most of us are well past that, and she wasn't "possibly" abused, she was.

Ok, I took out "possibly" for you, wasn't really arguing that point....

 

[ptahn]

I think people are overreacting a bit. Haley possibly being abused at some point in the past clearly isn't being introduced as some fetish for us perverts to fap to. Something traumatic may have happened to her and the people who care about her want to help her confront it and come to terms with it. As a story element, it's an opportunity to feel compassion for and ultimately closer to her by helping her deal with something terrible.

Let's put it this way. Pretend the movie The Wizard of Oz was never made. Netflix decides to make a series called Th Wizard of Oz. For two seasons the story follows the story pretty much the same as the 1939 movie. In the season 2 cliff hanger we learn that the Wizard got Dorothy behind the curtain and pulled his magic wand. Season three is all about Dorothy's friends trying to help Dorothy come to terms with her rape. Do you see why some people might be upset with the turn of events? This story was a romantic comedy for a year. The only real drama involved Haley constantly ordering pizza (okay maybe a little drama over Haley and her boss.) Suddenly we get this bombshell out of nowhere. If it had been a dramady from the start, then maybe it would have been okay. It was a cheap stunt to fend off story boredom once the leads had sex. Sorry, it is not my intention to go through all the reasons why the story is not as good as it was. (Do you think I should have used Harry Potter instead of W of O?)

 

[LazyName]

That's not what's being argued though. ptahn is essentially saying binging a TV show provides a different experience than someone that watching it live does. A wondering mind can certainly be a death nail for a lot of media, and binging does not allow that. There's a bunch of people that feel burned by this game (maybe strong wording but it gets my point across)whereas anyone playing it now won't get that strong reaction of backstabbing, just a bad narrative twist.

Binging might not allow that or the person consuming might be someone who imagines plot points as they watch. Being a day one consumer might allow you months and months of nuturing your feelings for certain characters or it might be something you only care about when its released then you move on. Sure binging vs live are different expereinces but different people are goign to walk away from them differently. Trying to justify why other people arent as dettered by a "bad narrative twist" by gatekeeping them as newbies doesn't allow for any refutation. You talk about the fact that the narrative took the turn it did as a bad thing and that people will feel either back stabbed or they'll just shrug it off as a minor flaw. The reality is there are people who dont see it as a flaw or a backstab or even really a twist.

 

[xjimsladex]

Let's put it this way. Pretend the movie The Wizard of Oz was never made. Netflix decides to make a series called Th Wizard of Oz. For two seasons the story follows the story pretty much the same as the 1939 movie. In the season 2 cliff hanger we learn that the Wizard got Dorothy behind the curtain and pulled his magic wand. Season three is all about Dorothy's friends trying to help Dorothy come to terms with her rape. Do you see why some people might be upset with the turn of events? This story was a romantic comedy for a year. The only real drama involved Haley constantly ordering pizza (okay maybe a little drama over Haley and her boss.) Suddenly we get this bombshell out of nowhere. If it had been a dramady from the start, then maybe it would have been okay. It was a cheap stunt to fend off story boredom once the leads had sex. Sorry, it is not my intention to go through all the reasons why the story is not as good as it was. (Do you think I should have used Harry Potter instead of W of O.

I get it, you don't like the turn the story took. Just trying to explain why I'm ok with it.

 

[Walter Victor]

Let's put it this way. Pretend the movie The Wizard of Oz was never made. Netflix decides to make a series called Th Wizard of Oz. For two seasons the story follows the story pretty much the same as the 1939 movie. In the season 2 cliff hanger we learn that the Wizard got Dorothy behind the curtain and pulled his magic wand. Season three is all about Dorothy's friends trying to help Dorothy come to terms with her rape. Do you see why some people might be upset with the turn of events? This story was a romantic comedy for a year. The only real drama involved Haley constantly ordering pizza (okay maybe a little drama over Haley and her boss.) Suddenly we get this bombshell out of nowhere. If it had been a dramady from the start, then maybe it would have been okay. It was a cheap stunt to fend off story boredom once the leads had sex. Sorry, it is not my intention to go through all the reasons why the story is not as good as it was. (Do you think I should have used Harry Potter instead of W of O.

No, instead of Dorothy being raped, the Wicked Witch of the East had her winged monkeys kidnap her and drag her off to enslave her and steal her magic shoes. Then the witch takes all the stuffing out of the Scarecrow and dents the Tin Woodsman. [I'm talking the original novel here. In the movie the witch sets Scarecrow on fire! Talk about a turn of events!] How could L. Frank Baum have turned such a sweet story into such a frightful mess. Shame on him.

 

[Walter Victor]

Do you think I should have used Harry Potter instead of W of O.

Oh! Do you mean how Rawlings killed off all of those people in that sweet story about those precious wizards?

 

[LazyName]

This romantic comedy always had the under currents of drama bubbling beneath the surface your character is supposed to be in a monogmous relationship with your bosses neice. You're cheating on her with possibly multiple women not the least of which is your twin sister. Haley was being harassed by her boss and sandra has ocd. These characters had dramatic conflicts that hit the narrative with varying levels of sobriety. Haley being abused in her past isn't the most shocking thing in the world to me i've known girls like haley and i've known some of their experiences its not shocking to me that a character like this has had a run in with abuse in the past.

 

[Walter Victor]

This romantic comedy always had the under currents of drama bubbling beneath the surface your character is supposed to be in a monogmous relationship with your bosses neice. You're cheating on her with possibly multiple women not the least of which is your twin sister. Haley was being harassed by her boss and sandra has ocd. These characters had dramatic conflicts that hit the narrative with varying levels of sobriety. Haley being abused in her past isn't the most shocking thing in the world to me i've known girls like haley and i've known some of their experiences its not shocking to me that a character like this has had a run in with abuse in the past.

In retrospect, it does seem logical that Haley had such a traumatic event in her past, although I doubt that any of us actually saw anything like it happening... until it did.

 

[ptahn]

No, instead of Dorothy being raped, the Wicked Witch of the East had her winged monkeys kidnap her and drag her off to enslave her and steal her magic shoes. Then the witch takes all the stuffing out of the Scarecrow and dents the Tin Woodsman. [I'm talking the original novel here. In the movie the witch sets Scarecrow on fire! Talk about a turn of events!] How could L. Frank Baum have turned such a sweet story into such a frightful mess. Shame on him.

The book was the book the entire time. The movie was the movie the entire time. The "scariness" of the story was consistent throughout the movie. The witch tries to get Dorothy and her friends (and her little dog too) the entire movie. The movie is consistent, HS is not.

 

[ptahn]

This romantic comedy always had the under currents of drama bubbling beneath the surface your character is supposed to be in a monogmous relationship with your bosses neice. You're cheating on her with possibly multiple women not the least of which is your twin sister. Haley was being harassed by her boss and sandra has ocd. These characters had dramatic conflicts that hit the narrative with varying levels of sobriety. Haley being abused in her past isn't the most shocking thing in the world to me i've known girls like haley and i've known some of their experiences its not shocking to me that a character like this has had a run in with abuse in the past.

Sandra's OCD was more a comedic element for the mains than a serious disability. Having sex with multiple women can't really be called drama in a porn game. Haley's initial relationship with her boss was short term and can't really be compared to statutory rape. The girls you have known were real people and not characters in a romantic comedy porn game.

 

[ptahn]

Oh! Do you mean how Rawlings killed off all of those people in that sweet story about those precious wizards?

Not a fan of Harry Potter. It was a joke about "magic wands." I do know enough about the story to realize that it was never a sweet story about precious wizards, so it too was consistent throughout all the books. Again unlike HS.

 

[preglovr12]

You talk about the fact that the narrative took the turn it did as a bad thing and that people will feel either back stabbed or they'll just shrug it off as a minor flaw. The reality is there are people who dont see it as a flaw or a backstab or even really a twist.

I know those aren't the sole responses but I figured we were past that. I just kept everything negative for the sake of consistency. I know people still like the game and have opinions.

It's set up like a twist for sure, if it doesn't seem like one that's on the game and not on anyone else. I don't think you've been in this thread long enough if you don't think many people will see it as a twist or a flaw, even a few of the remaining champions of this game view it as a poorly handled twist, they just like the game regardless because of Haley.

 

[LazyName]

Sandra's OCD was more a comedic element for the mains than a serious disability. Having sex with multiple women can't really be called drama in a porn game. Haley's initial relationship with her boss was short term and can't really be compared to statutory rape. The girls you have known were real people and not characters in a romantic comedy porn game.

It can be drama in a porn game when the characters are written out to not be mindless sex robots. Eventually there will be a point when you'll have to do something about the sandra situation. I think a genuine bad twist in the writing would be if Sandra was totally cool with your infedelity and was down for some incestous harem action. Being pursued by an older authority figure cant be compared to when Haley was abused by her teacher? You insist on holding this game to being exclusively a romantic comedy and any deviation from that is a betrayal of what it is. A lot of people like this game because the banter between the characters felt organic and natural especially compared to other games in this genre. while the characters are clever and the game exists to explore sexual fantasys a lot of its appeal came in how grounded it was and how real the characters felt.

 

[Walter Victor]

The book was the book the entire time. The movie was the movie the entire time. The "scariness" of the story was consistent throughout the movie. The witch tries to get Dorothy and her friends (and her little dog too) the entire movie. The movie is consistent, HS is not.

If the 'scariness' was consistent (and it certainly was, especially in the book), then I don't see why you used it as an example. You added rape to your scenario. Still scary as hell! Was that scarier than the book or movie? No, just different. What was your point?

You are moving the goal posts. First it's postulating a The Wizard of Oz remake being transformed by an awful event in the third act. Now, I'm not even sure where you are. Except that you don't like where Haley's story went. Yeah, I got that a long time ago.

 

[Walter Victor]

Sandra's OCD was more a comedic element for the mains than a serious disability.

No, again! Sandra's OCD is an imperative element, that is caused by the abuse of her mother. Sandra's experience may be essential to the resolution of the plot. If so, it was planned from the beginning.

 

[Walter Victor]

I know those aren't the sole responses but I figured we were past that. I just kept everything negative for the sake of consistency. I know people still like the game and have opinions.

It's set up like a twist for sure, if it doesn't seem like one that's on the game and not on anyone else. I don't think you've been in this thread long enough if you don't think many people will see it as a twist or a flaw, even a few of the remaining champions of this game view it as a poorly handled twist, they just like the game regardless because of Haley.

Speak for yourself!

 

[LazyName]

I know those aren't the sole responses but I figured we were past that. I just kept everything negative for the sake of consistency. I know people still like the game and have opinions.

It's set up like a twist for sure, if it doesn't seem like one that's on the game and not on anyone else. I don't think you've been in this thread long enough if you don't think many people will see it as a twist or a flaw, even a few of the remaining champions of this game view it as a poorly handled twist, they just like the game regardless because of Haley.

I know people see it as a flaw i'm just saying your writing had a lot of assumptions in it that can't really be tied to whether people binged the game or played every release on the month. I'm in the camp that don't see the revelation as a flaw or mishandled yet. My over arching point is that i'm aware there are differences in opinion and i like talking about them but i dont like talking about how different opinions were formed due to certain circumstances.

 

[apnea111]

Well,

I am one of those who strongly critisized the content of Last updates. But Besides that..

HS story Is a Well above average story.
Ptolemy has Some distinctive characteristics As a developer that are appealing to many. (also to me)

Story based vns. No grind. Solid visuals. Constant updates. No endless subbranching to numerous Lis where you get lost having to play a game again and again to see all content.

Also has other distinctive char that probably arent so appealing. And probably the reason he Never achieved till now a Dev status equal to isctor or phillygames or drp.

Dividing his efforts through several projects. Note that Last updates werent only problematic contentwise for Some of us but also at the Technical side. If wrong rendering, or missing branching scenes isnt an indication of sloppiness i dont know what Is.

During the period the shitstorm occured in this thread ptolemy was developing or codeveloping 5 Games. Alexandra and ir, HS, LikeBlondes New game and superwriters game at the same time. Gamesglory who Is a True workhorse in rendering was also envolved at lexis story at the same time. Its a problematic plan from Start in my opinion and I believe that Is truelly the case since likesblondes New game Is kinda onhold atm and superwriter Is now Dev his game on his own.

Another distinctive char Is sex scenes. Besides the universal fact that all first time sex scenes between prot in ptolemys Games are always problematic (either wont fit, wont get an erection, or a rape case Is revealed just after), always the sex scenes are lacking.

I usually dont pay much attention to commercial succes As an Index. HS Is indeed gaining suport in Last updates. But at the same time likesblondes Is Loosing and ptolemy Is stable. This Is the way he works. Having a stable dedicated fanbase who Is constantly devided between his projects. The same way he Is devided between his projects. Either he prioritizes one proj against another or abandones one to Start another his fanbase behaves the same way. Either 5 or 3 Games at the same time always adding about 800-900 supporters.

HS Is in my opinion even now the best of Games ptolemy Is envolved. But far away from a 4,5/5 game or a masterpiece. It could probably be but it isnt. And haley being raped or the tonal Swift of the story isnt the cause.

Great Dev invest all their time, money and love to unique projects. Ptolemy isnt.

 

[LazyName]

No, again! Sandra's OCD is an imperative element, that is caused by the abuse of her mother. Sandra's experience may be essential to the resolution of the plot. If so, it was planned from the beginning.

I guess what we can conclude is that people who play the game in an unfinished state month after month are getting the wrong idea of the narrative and thats why they're upset!

 

[preglovr12]

If so, it was planned from the beginning.

I don't think anything in this game was planned from the beginning, it certainly doesn't feel that way. Vitt and Ptolemy fighting over what happens with Klaus means there's seemingly less planning than you assume. Yes, I'm assuming your level of assumption.

Speak for yourself!

Wasn't talking about you so I'm not sure what your point is.

that can't really be tied to whether people binged the game or played every release on the month.

Only if you completely misunderstood what I said. I said in this thread forever ago that the people playing from the start will likely have a much stronger reaction, good or bad, than people that play in a day. I know people differ, but that's just how people work. That'ts the point I'm making and ptahn was making as well before you decided to call it a pointless argument (which it isn't, were talking about it right now and you seem to agree with me and him that binging is different).

My over arching point is that i'm aware there are differences in opinion and i like talking about them but i dont like talking about how different opinions were formed due to certain circumstances.

Why? It's just as valid a conversation as anything else. In fact, it adds much needed context. Would you go watch a movie someone recommended that you know was on their phone the whole time over a recommendation from a cinephile friend that told you not to see it?