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No you didn't, I did, while pointing out that it is the strongest element of the game, and the thing that endears many players right off the bat, without them having to play through the whole game. I was trying to keep my response related to the game.

But if you insist...

The way I react to my friends is irrelevant to how I react to characters in a porn game. My friends are for life. Characters in a game can become but fond memories after it is finished, while I go on to a new game. I may acquire new friends, but I never relinquish my old friends. My best friendships have remained those I established in high school many, many decades ago. We still keep in touch as best we can, even though we are spread across the country.
So you agree with me. If you have been playing this game for a year you are fonder of the characters than if you just started the game yesterday.
 
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I think people are overreacting a bit. Haley possibly being abused at some point in the past clearly isn't being introduced as some fetish for us perverts to fap to. Something traumatic may have happened to her and the people who care about her want to help her confront it and come to terms with it. As a story element, it's an opportunity to feel compassion for and ultimately closer to her by helping her deal with something terrible.
Most of us are well past that, and she wasn't "possibly" abused, she was.
 

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So you agree with me. If you have been playing this game for a year you are fonder of the characters than if you just started the game yesterday.
Actually, I don't agree with you in the slightest. The length of time I have been playing has nothing to do with my fondness for the characters. I was fond of them from the moment I started playing. And, yes, my fondness for them has grown, although not because of any time involved, but only because of the progression of the story. I dare say I would feel the same about these people if I had picked up the game yesterday. You might say that I can't know that, but I know myself.
 

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I think people are overreacting a bit. Haley possibly being abused at some point in the past clearly isn't being introduced as some fetish for us perverts to fap to. Something traumatic may have happened to her and the people who care about her want to help her confront it and come to terms with it. As a story element, it's an opportunity to feel compassion for and ultimately closer to her by helping her deal with something terrible.
Let's put it this way. Pretend the movie The Wizard of Oz was never made. Netflix decides to make a series called Th Wizard of Oz. For two seasons the story follows the story pretty much the same as the 1939 movie. In the season 2 cliff hanger we learn that the Wizard got Dorothy behind the curtain and pulled his magic wand. Season three is all about Dorothy's friends trying to help Dorothy come to terms with her rape. Do you see why some people might be upset with the turn of events? This story was a romantic comedy for a year. The only real drama involved Haley constantly ordering pizza (okay maybe a little drama over Haley and her boss.) Suddenly we get this bombshell out of nowhere. If it had been a dramady from the start, then maybe it would have been okay. It was a cheap stunt to fend off story boredom once the leads had sex. Sorry, it is not my intention to go through all the reasons why the story is not as good as it was. (Do you think I should have used Harry Potter instead of W of O?)
 
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That's not what's being argued though. ptahn is essentially saying binging a TV show provides a different experience than someone that watching it live does. A wondering mind can certainly be a death nail for a lot of media, and binging does not allow that. There's a bunch of people that feel burned by this game (maybe strong wording but it gets my point across)whereas anyone playing it now won't get that strong reaction of backstabbing, just a bad narrative twist.
Binging might not allow that or the person consuming might be someone who imagines plot points as they watch. Being a day one consumer might allow you months and months of nuturing your feelings for certain characters or it might be something you only care about when its released then you move on. Sure binging vs live are different expereinces but different people are goign to walk away from them differently. Trying to justify why other people arent as dettered by a "bad narrative twist" by gatekeeping them as newbies doesn't allow for any refutation. You talk about the fact that the narrative took the turn it did as a bad thing and that people will feel either back stabbed or they'll just shrug it off as a minor flaw. The reality is there are people who dont see it as a flaw or a backstab or even really a twist.
 
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Let's put it this way. Pretend the movie The Wizard of Oz was never made. Netflix decides to make a series called Th Wizard of Oz. For two seasons the story follows the story pretty much the same as the 1939 movie. In the season 2 cliff hanger we learn that the Wizard got Dorothy behind the curtain and pulled his magic wand. Season three is all about Dorothy's friends trying to help Dorothy come to terms with her rape. Do you see why some people might be upset with the turn of events? This story was a romantic comedy for a year. The only real drama involved Haley constantly ordering pizza (okay maybe a little drama over Haley and her boss.) Suddenly we get this bombshell out of nowhere. If it had been a dramady from the start, then maybe it would have been okay. It was a cheap stunt to fend off story boredom once the leads had sex. Sorry, it is not my intention to go through all the reasons why the story is not as good as it was. (Do you think I should have used Harry Potter instead of W of O.
I get it, you don't like the turn the story took. Just trying to explain why I'm ok with it.
 

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Let's put it this way. Pretend the movie The Wizard of Oz was never made. Netflix decides to make a series called Th Wizard of Oz. For two seasons the story follows the story pretty much the same as the 1939 movie. In the season 2 cliff hanger we learn that the Wizard got Dorothy behind the curtain and pulled his magic wand. Season three is all about Dorothy's friends trying to help Dorothy come to terms with her rape. Do you see why some people might be upset with the turn of events? This story was a romantic comedy for a year. The only real drama involved Haley constantly ordering pizza (okay maybe a little drama over Haley and her boss.) Suddenly we get this bombshell out of nowhere. If it had been a dramady from the start, then maybe it would have been okay. It was a cheap stunt to fend off story boredom once the leads had sex. Sorry, it is not my intention to go through all the reasons why the story is not as good as it was. (Do you think I should have used Harry Potter instead of W of O.
No, instead of Dorothy being raped, the Wicked Witch of the East had her winged monkeys kidnap her and drag her off to enslave her and steal her magic shoes. Then the witch takes all the stuffing out of the Scarecrow and dents the Tin Woodsman. [I'm talking the original novel here. In the movie the witch sets Scarecrow on fire! Talk about a turn of events!] How could L. Frank Baum have turned such a sweet story into such a frightful mess. Shame on him.
 
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This romantic comedy always had the under currents of drama bubbling beneath the surface your character is supposed to be in a monogmous relationship with your bosses neice. You're cheating on her with possibly multiple women not the least of which is your twin sister. Haley was being harassed by her boss and sandra has ocd. These characters had dramatic conflicts that hit the narrative with varying levels of sobriety. Haley being abused in her past isn't the most shocking thing in the world to me i've known girls like haley and i've known some of their experiences its not shocking to me that a character like this has had a run in with abuse in the past.
 

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This romantic comedy always had the under currents of drama bubbling beneath the surface your character is supposed to be in a monogmous relationship with your bosses neice. You're cheating on her with possibly multiple women not the least of which is your twin sister. Haley was being harassed by her boss and sandra has ocd. These characters had dramatic conflicts that hit the narrative with varying levels of sobriety. Haley being abused in her past isn't the most shocking thing in the world to me i've known girls like haley and i've known some of their experiences its not shocking to me that a character like this has had a run in with abuse in the past.
In retrospect, it does seem logical that Haley had such a traumatic event in her past, although I doubt that any of us actually saw anything like it happening... until it did.
 

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No, instead of Dorothy being raped, the Wicked Witch of the East had her winged monkeys kidnap her and drag her off to enslave her and steal her magic shoes. Then the witch takes all the stuffing out of the Scarecrow and dents the Tin Woodsman. [I'm talking the original novel here. In the movie the witch sets Scarecrow on fire! Talk about a turn of events!] How could L. Frank Baum have turned such a sweet story into such a frightful mess. Shame on him.
The book was the book the entire time. The movie was the movie the entire time. The "scariness" of the story was consistent throughout the movie. The witch tries to get Dorothy and her friends (and her little dog too) the entire movie. The movie is consistent, HS is not.
 

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This romantic comedy always had the under currents of drama bubbling beneath the surface your character is supposed to be in a monogmous relationship with your bosses neice. You're cheating on her with possibly multiple women not the least of which is your twin sister. Haley was being harassed by her boss and sandra has ocd. These characters had dramatic conflicts that hit the narrative with varying levels of sobriety. Haley being abused in her past isn't the most shocking thing in the world to me i've known girls like haley and i've known some of their experiences its not shocking to me that a character like this has had a run in with abuse in the past.
Sandra's OCD was more a comedic element for the mains than a serious disability. Having sex with multiple women can't really be called drama in a porn game. Haley's initial relationship with her boss was short term and can't really be compared to statutory rape. The girls you have known were real people and not characters in a romantic comedy porn game.
 
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Oh! Do you mean how Rawlings killed off all of those people in that sweet story about those precious wizards?
Not a fan of Harry Potter. It was a joke about "magic wands." I do know enough about the story to realize that it was never a sweet story about precious wizards, so it too was consistent throughout all the books. Again unlike HS.
 
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You talk about the fact that the narrative took the turn it did as a bad thing and that people will feel either back stabbed or they'll just shrug it off as a minor flaw. The reality is there are people who dont see it as a flaw or a backstab or even really a twist.
I know those aren't the sole responses but I figured we were past that. I just kept everything negative for the sake of consistency. I know people still like the game and have opinions.

It's set up like a twist for sure, if it doesn't seem like one that's on the game and not on anyone else. I don't think you've been in this thread long enough if you don't think many people will see it as a twist or a flaw, even a few of the remaining champions of this game view it as a poorly handled twist, they just like the game regardless because of Haley.
 

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Sandra's OCD was more a comedic element for the mains than a serious disability. Having sex with multiple women can't really be called drama in a porn game. Haley's initial relationship with her boss was short term and can't really be compared to statutory rape. The girls you have known were real people and not characters in a romantic comedy porn game.
It can be drama in a porn game when the characters are written out to not be mindless sex robots. Eventually there will be a point when you'll have to do something about the sandra situation. I think a genuine bad twist in the writing would be if Sandra was totally cool with your infedelity and was down for some incestous harem action. Being pursued by an older authority figure cant be compared to when Haley was abused by her teacher? You insist on holding this game to being exclusively a romantic comedy and any deviation from that is a betrayal of what it is. A lot of people like this game because the banter between the characters felt organic and natural especially compared to other games in this genre. while the characters are clever and the game exists to explore sexual fantasys a lot of its appeal came in how grounded it was and how real the characters felt.
 

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The book was the book the entire time. The movie was the movie the entire time. The "scariness" of the story was consistent throughout the movie. The witch tries to get Dorothy and her friends (and her little dog too) the entire movie. The movie is consistent, HS is not.
If the 'scariness' was consistent (and it certainly was, especially in the book), then I don't see why you used it as an example. You added rape to your scenario. Still scary as hell! Was that scarier than the book or movie? No, just different. What was your point?

You are moving the goal posts. First it's postulating a The Wizard of Oz remake being transformed by an awful event in the third act. Now, I'm not even sure where you are. Except that you don't like where Haley's story went. Yeah, I got that a long time ago.
 
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Sandra's OCD was more a comedic element for the mains than a serious disability.
No, again! Sandra's OCD is an imperative element, that is caused by the abuse of her mother. Sandra's experience may be essential to the resolution of the plot. If so, it was planned from the beginning.
 

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I know those aren't the sole responses but I figured we were past that. I just kept everything negative for the sake of consistency. I know people still like the game and have opinions.

It's set up like a twist for sure, if it doesn't seem like one that's on the game and not on anyone else. I don't think you've been in this thread long enough if you don't think many people will see it as a twist or a flaw, even a few of the remaining champions of this game view it as a poorly handled twist, they just like the game regardless because of Haley.
Speak for yourself!
 

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I know those aren't the sole responses but I figured we were past that. I just kept everything negative for the sake of consistency. I know people still like the game and have opinions.

It's set up like a twist for sure, if it doesn't seem like one that's on the game and not on anyone else. I don't think you've been in this thread long enough if you don't think many people will see it as a twist or a flaw, even a few of the remaining champions of this game view it as a poorly handled twist, they just like the game regardless because of Haley.
I know people see it as a flaw i'm just saying your writing had a lot of assumptions in it that can't really be tied to whether people binged the game or played every release on the month. I'm in the camp that don't see the revelation as a flaw or mishandled yet. My over arching point is that i'm aware there are differences in opinion and i like talking about them but i dont like talking about how different opinions were formed due to certain circumstances.
 
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