VN Ren'Py Completed Haley's Story [v1.1 Pre-Patched] [Viitgames]

[Walter Victor]

That "something" is cross promotion.

Here's the thing about 'cross promotion': by itself it doesn't generate much (if any) revenue. Few people who support Developer X, are now going to pay good money to Developer Y just because Y's game was promoted by X, WITHOUT ACTUALLY PLAYING THE GAME. The existence of sites like this one, where you can get the game for free, is too well known.

So if cross promotion raises revenue, it is only due to at least some people, who played the new game because of the promotion, liked it well enough to support it financially.

 

[preglovr12]

So if cross promotion raises revenue, it is only due to at least some people, who played the new game because of the promotion, liked it well enough to support it financially.

You're correct, but the cross promotion only started after the rape. None of those players had the months of build up a lot of us here did. I'm sure they got into the story a bit, but the tone whiplash is a lot less harsh when it's only been building for an hour or two.

 

[Walter Victor]

Anyone have news on release date for .85. I'm gonna continue Qleaf's walkthrough w his Blessing, and just wondered if the dev has given a ballpark estimate?

I have good news and bad news for you.

The developer is very close to releasing the next episode. It should be either late today, or sometime tomorrow (depending on your time zone), unless testing reveals something drastic that needs extensive modifications.

The bad news is that Qleaf is out of business. We, who avidly follow her work, will have to muddle along on our own, unless someone else takes up the banner.

 

[bauman]

You're correct, but the cross promotion only started after the rape. None of those players had the months of build up a lot of us here did. I'm sure they got into the story a bit, but the tone whiplash is a lot less harsh when it's only been building for an hour or two.

The rape shit made the game blew up because this thread was hot for a month and a half after the august update. In a couple of weeks it generated more buzz than the year before. A lot more eyes in a short amount of time = more potential backers after all. It was a blessing in disguise for the devs. There was a good amount of cancelled pledges from older patrons though. Ptolemy even got butthurt over criticisms from people not liking the twist in the story.

 

[EZ8lt]

I have good news and bad news for you.

The developer is very close to releasing the next episode. It should be either late today, or sometime tomorrow (depending on your time zone), unless testing reveals something drastic that needs extensive modifications.

The bad news is that Qleaf is out of business. We, who avidly follow her work, will have to muddle along on our own, unless someone else takes up the banner.

I saw someone mentioning taking over Qleafs work partially in another thread, and Haley's Story was on that list, so I think we're good on that department.

 

[Walter Victor]

A bit more on the next release...

The reason it may be late is because it is so big. They have crammed a lot into it, and may have bitten off more than they can chew. Viit is off to work, while Ptolemy is finishing up the renderings. Later, they expect to test it and release it. To me, this causes concern that they may not do a sufficient job of testing before releasing the product.

Regardless, I will lap it up as soon as I can, because this looks like it will be an important and pivotal release.

 

[Zoey Raven]

I have good news and bad news for you.

The developer is very close to releasing the next episode. It should be either late today, or sometime tomorrow (depending on your time zone), unless testing reveals something drastic that needs extensive modifications.

The bad news is that Qleaf is out of business. We, who avidly follow her work, will have to muddle along on our own, unless someone else takes up the banner.

I'm taking up the banner with his support, he has been teaching me and I have already updated 2 of his guides. I will be doing Haley and 3 other games, possibly more, but for the moment just the four VN's.

 

[ptahn]

I know there has been several replies, quotes, and reactions to my posts. I would like to thank you all for caring enough to reply in some fashion. Unfortunately I don't care enough to respond. I made the point I wanted, you can all go back to sleep now.

 

[Zoey Raven]

A bit more on the next release...

The reason it may be late is because it is so big. They have crammed a lot into it, and may have bitten off more than they can chew. Viit is off to work, while Ptolemy is finishing up the renderings. Later, they expect to test it and release it. To me, this causes concern that they may not do a sufficient job of testing before releasing the product.

Regardless, I will lap it up as soon as I can, because this looks like it will be an important and pivotal release.

I'm thinking it will be tomorrow, depending on where you live. From the discord it looks like they are still finishing up. The update with the most amount of choices so far has 9 choices, I'm wondering if this one will have more or be more dialogue centered.

 

[Segnbora]

it would be interesting to know whether other ppl think the outrage of MC is justified

I do — I'd certainly be outraged if my sister was raped — but that doesn't necessarily mean I think he needs to be the solution. To the extent that the game indulges in revenge fantasies I think it will fail the plot disruption. If it centers the resolution on Haley I think it has a better chance of succeeding.

None of those players had the months of build up a lot of us here did. I'm sure they got into the story a bit, but the tone whiplash is a lot less harsh when it's only been building for an hour or two.

Of course. Because experiencing and deconstructing narrative on Patreon's schedule is deformative and unnatural. People who took in the whole thing at once are experiencing it more correctly and more authentically. People who don't encounter it until it's finished will have a vastly more intentional experience, and moreover the one that the writer(s) intended.

 

[preglovr12]

Of course. Because experiencing and deconstructing narrative on Patreon's schedule is deformative and unnatural. People who took in the whole thing at once are experiencing it more correctly and more authentically. People who don't experience it until it's finished will have a vastly more intentional experience, and moreover the one that the writer(s) intended.

I feel like we've had this conversation before, but I'll leave it at this: This is pretty much how TV works, so if they can't work around that, that's not my fault as an audience member, but theirs as writers.

 

[ptahn]

Somebody saw the humor in it all.

 

[ZTex]

I'm thinking it will be tomorrow, depending on where you live. From the discord it looks like they are still finishing up. The update with the most amount of choices so far has 9 choices, I'm wondering if this one will have more or be more dialogue centered.

I doubt you'll see more than a total of 6 meaningful choices. There might be more but some of them as of late have been more window dressing questions than anything else.

 

[Walter Victor]

I'm taking up the banner with his support, he has been teaching me and I have already updated 2 of his guides. I will be doing Haley and 3 other games, possibly more, but for the moment just the four VN's.

Out-STAND-ing!!! Thank you.

 

[Segnbora]

I feel like we've had this conversation before, but I'll leave it at this: This is pretty much how TV works, so if they can't work around that, that's not my fault as an audience member, but theirs as writers.

Different media have different norms. Do orchestras walk out after the first movement and ask you to pledge your support in order to hear the second? Do (most) movies? No. Further, television is paid for in advance. Patreon-funded games aren't.

More relevantly, does watching a TV series episodically versus binging it result in a different experience? The answer's obviously yes. The aesthetic experience is completely different. The Patreon model isn't an artistically driven choice, it's an economically driven choice. If devs could be just as profitable on the old Tora model of releasing completed games they would, but even Tora couldn't make that model work as more than a time-sucking hobby.

Haley isn't supposed to be enjoyed piecemeal. It's not a procedural, it's a cohesive story with a beginning, a bunch of narrative (including some conflict), and an end. There are stories that poll and beg and willingly morph in response to reader input, but Haley's Story has never been one of them.

 

[Walter Victor]

I'm thinking it will be tomorrow, depending on where you live. From the discord it looks like they are still finishing up. The update with the most amount of choices so far has 9 choices, I'm wondering if this one will have more or be more dialogue centered.

The sticking point appears to be the number of renders, which on Patreon was reported at 752 (including animations), which is about double the usual amount.

 

[alpharenji]

I have good news and bad news for you.

The developer is very close to releasing the next episode. It should be either late today, or sometime tomorrow (depending on your time zone), unless testing reveals something drastic that needs extensive modifications.

The bad news is that Qleaf is out of business. We, who avidly follow her work, will have to muddle along on our own, unless someone else takes up the banner.

Maybe dumb question but who is Qleaf the writer or animater?

 

[Walter Victor]

Maybe dumb question but who is Qleaf the writer or animater?

Neither. Qleaf was a writer of walkthroughs for several VNs, including this one.

 

[alpharenji]

Neither. Qleaf was a writer of walkthroughs for several VNs, including this one.

Ohh ok I was a bit worried there

 

[InstinctPro]

0.85 on patreon, now the waiting game...