VN Ren'Py Completed Haley's Story [v1.1 Pre-Patched] [Viitgames]

[Avaron1974]

But if I constantly deny her and treat her like either garbage or just like a sister it makes no sense for why at least my character to continue trying to do thing with her it just seems forced when you are tying to actively not be with her because it changes ultimately nothing in the story.

No matter what you do, MC will end up with Haley, that's the very point of the story.

Those of us that like Sandra got thrown a bone and allowed to start a 3 way but Haley is going to be part of it no matter what, there is no changing that.

It is forced because it is the story.

 

[yctracon]

Dude, it's because that is literally NOT how you're supposed to play the game . . . If you don't like Haley at all, this game is not for you. And that is 100% okay! Absolutely play it for the hot scenes with side girls if you want. There is some value in that, but you need to accept the story will not make any sense at all!

If you're not supposed to play the game like that, then why does the choice even exist?
Out of curiousity I recently also played a playthrough like that, there are some very subtle difference, but overall the game and the story does not seem to make a lot of sense, especially with those small differences.

For example

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[bakerarts]

Dude, it's because that is literally NOT how you're supposed to play the game . . . If you don't like Haley at all, this game is not for you. And that is 100% okay! Absolutely play it for the hot scenes with side girls if you want. There is some value in that, but you need to accept the story will not make any sense at all!

Then don't give me any choices to choose not to interact with Haley then it makes no sense to have choices that don't impact the story at all in any way.

 

[bakerarts]

No matter what you do, MC will end up with Haley, that's the very point of the story.

Those of us that like Sandra got thrown a bone and allowed to start a 3 way but Haley is going to be part of it no matter what, there is no changing that.

It is forced because it is the story.

So why are we even given options to choose not to do stuff with Haley then if it's not gonna have any effect on the story.

 

[Glooskabe]

So why are we even given options to choose not to do stuff with Haley then if it's not gonna have any effect on the story.

Because for immersion/roleplay purposes, it might make sense to make those choices some of the time, especially early on . . . But making them all of the time breaks the story? Like I said, nothing wrong with playing for side girl scenes, story just won't make sense.

 

[Avaron1974]

So why are we even given options to choose not to do stuff with Haley then if it's not gonna have any effect on the story.

It alters scenes not the whole story.

If you could avoid Haley completely, it wouldn't be called Haley's Story.

The entire premise of the story is Haley and the MC .... and Sandra if you go for a 3way.

 

[Walter Victor]

So why are we even given options to choose not to do stuff with Haley then if it's not gonna have any effect on the story.

Because it is a game. The way most people play it is to advance the relationship between Haley and the MC. To those people, the choices matter because they WANT them to get together in a happy ending. To those people, the choices are incredibly important, because if they don't make the right ones, they won't get what they want.

People who want something else will become incredibly disappointed, because they are not playing the game the way the developer formulated it. They should try another game, because this one is not going to change.

 

[Avaron1974]

I get that you like this development and I get that you like Sandra more. I also agree with your earlier assessment that Sandra is a "better" person then Haley. Haley is manipulative and Sandra is sweet, naïve with a bit of OCD. Therefore I understand your choice with the threesome.

For my assessment, Sandra is just a tool for Haley to make her relationship with her brother work. She does not love Sandra. She is using Sandra. She pushed Sandra and her brother into a relationship. The brother may or may not have fallen in love with Sandra, but It's kind of the only reason Haley decided to let Sandra into her plan.

Normally I would called Haley a manipulative b#!c, but she can not help herself. She will do anything to keep her brother, including keeping Sandra around. I felt that it was wrong to drag Sandra unknowingly into this relationship. I think Haley can not truly love anyone besides the MC.

It's not like Izzy, Alexandra and puppy. They are truly in a 3 way relationship. Izzy and Alexandra loved each other way before the Pupster walked into their lives.

Not criticizing, just sharing a different perspective.

I don't think she'll love Sandra. Like is about as far as I think she'll go.

If this was IRL I would be saying she doesn't love her brother. She clinging, she needs him but that's because, again looking at it IRL, she'd be mentally scarred and trying to cling to the one constant good thing in her life.

As it's a game i'll go with what the game tells me and it's saying she loves him and i'm not about to disagree with the devs. Granted a lot of what she does is weird and there are a lot of times she doesn't come across as a very nice person. I won't say I don't like her, she is an interesting character but in a game based around romance the only person I see any actual relationship with is Sandra.

I do think something good can come from the 3 of them, I don't think breaking up with Sandra would do any of them any favours. I think they need something to balance them both out. MC is a bit laid back, Haley is a bit full on and Sandra can clean up their mess.

 

[215303j]

For my assessment, Sandra is just a tool for Haley to make her relationship with her brother work. She does not love Sandra. She is using Sandra. She pushed Sandra and her brother into a relationship. The brother may or may not have fallen in love with Sandra, but It's kind of the only reason Haley decided to let Sandra into her plan.

I think that's how it started, but now it evolved. I do think that in the last 2-3 updates, Haley definately cares about Sandra.

I also think that both Haley and Sandra are at least bi-curious and that something will happen far beyond kissing / touching between them in the future, and likely before Sandra ever witnesses the MC fucking Haley.

Partially it is still Haley manipulating Sandra into accepting the incest, but I think that for a large part it goes beyond that. It also makes sense: Haley and the MC already had sex. The MC is already helping her get to grips with her past. So for Haley there is not much incentive to keep Sandra around if Haley was not into her. For a simple beard, Sandra is too involved and any of the other girls would be a better choice from Haley's perspective.

 

[Veriko666]

I don't see it as a relationship between Haley and Sandra, but a three-way which includes the MC. Don't forget that at all times this story is told from the MC's point of view. He is always there.

This does imply that there will be moments between Haley and Sandra, with the MC watching and/or participating. There may be other times when Haley describes something that happened between the two girls to the MC. If any of that is repugnant to you, you might want to take the other path, or even stop playing.

Do you never play games where MFFs occur? It's difficult to avoid in adult games.

Got no issue with MFF the things I don't like about it in this perticular game is the twofold. I mainly feel like it does not fit the dynamic between MC and Haley that was there previously. The way I saw it was that Haley only had eyes for MC, this appears to be kind of out the window atm (still not played latest update will get to that tonight). The other thing that I don't like about it is that as far as I remember none of the girls have shown any bi-sexuality prior to Haley groping Sandra. Sure I guess it can explode but it would sit better with me

I don't see it as a relationship between Haley and Sandra, but a three-way which includes the MC. Don't forget that at all times this story is told from the MC's point of view. He is always there.

This does imply that there will be moments between Haley and Sandra, with the MC watching and/or participating. There may be other times when Haley describes something that happened between the two girls to the MC. If any of that is repugnant to you, you might want to take the other path, or even stop playing.

Do you never play games where MFFs occur? It's difficult to avoid in adult games.

So I just finished playing the new update, it left me feeling a bit more interested in the Haley + Sandra path than I was earlier so I will not abandon the save yet. I love the submissive (without it being rapey) side of Haley and I get the feeling that in a fucked up way Sandra will end up being a mother hen with Haley (this seems to have been really pushed this update).

I have no issue with MFFs at all, I don't really look forward to it but if it is done right and feels right (to me) in the story it could be real nice. Problem I have with it is I feel like the Haley + Sandra path is doing things backwards. By this I mean that the main issue logically for Haley and MC should not be about training Sandra to become bi-sexual... it should be about making her fine with Haley and MC having sex. When they achieve that they could work on becoming a throuple. Sandra is clearly noticing stuff between MC and Haley and she does not seem very comfortable with it.

I guess we will see where this all goes but to me this game has had a relatively realistic premise and story development but this part just feels ass backwards compared to how good things have been before.

 

[Veriko666]

It's a 3way relationship of course things are going to happen between the girls too.

It's not a matter of faithfulness, they will all be together. Sandra will be with Haley as much as she will the MC, that's how those relationships work.

Same with proper harem games. When the MC isn't fucking the girls they all fuck each other.

You are very clearly misunderstanding me. It was a matter of faithfulness for Sandra, at least that is what I read from it. When Haley got gropey while Sandra was drunk Sandra was uncomfortable due to her relationship with MC. This is a game that up until 2-3 updates had a rather realistic way of moving the story forward (as much as an incest game can be realistic).

They have done NOTHING to address the issue that Sandra is likely not comfortable with MC cheating on her, let alone him cheating with his own sister. The last part being key here, they can train Sandra to embrace bi-sexuality but in all honesty they should have addressed the incest situation first. She might become comfortable with Haley and then find out about them having gone behind Sandras back this whole time and getting disgusted by the whole thing.

Sadly I feel like this game will go down the good old porno way, Haley will get Sandra drunk again,they start making out naked and suddenly MC comes in and sticks his dick between their lips. Or sticks it in Haley while they are making out and shit. But the latest update got me slightly more into the 3-way relationship as an idea but the execution makes very little sense when considering this games otherwise relative realism.

Let's not forget that Sandra is currently quitting her job to move back and in with MC while MC is infact cheating on her and has no idea about the incest. Damn MC and Haley are actually quite the assholes xD

 

[Avaron1974]

I guess we will see where this all goes but to me this game has had a relatively realistic premise and story development but this part just feels ass backwards compared to how good things have been before.

A 3way wouldn't work unless the girls got bi curious.

Having 2 girls focus on 1 person just won't work. Jealousy will always win out in the end. It needs to be all 3 or nobody at all.

 

[Veriko666]

A 3way wouldn't work unless the girls got bi curious.

Having 2 girls focus on 1 person just won't work. Jealousy will always win out in the end. It needs to be all 3 or nobody at all.

I agree with you that 2 girls focusing on 1 person would not work realistically (even if I think that is way hotter), at the same time polyamory seems to have that issue many times either way. I do feel like this game is doing all this backwards, it is making Haley and MC into scumbags for how they are treating Sandra. Due to them focusing on training/corrupting her into being bi rather than getting her open to their incest it all just feels backwards, oh well.

If they had hinted on Sandra being bi-curious before, maybe by introducing her while she was in a lesbian relationship before meeting MC or SOMETHING would have made it feel better. She has to my knowledge not shown any interest in women before and games tend to treat women as all being bi-sexual, sometimes it'd be nice to have either a proper build up or just some straight ass women. They are hardly rare in real life but in games they seem pretty rare.

Mind you I focus a lot on story when playing these games and I am in no way telling the dev how it should be but rather discuss different the games. I tend to be lenient on games like WVM, it does not take itself as seriously as this games story but it still has a fun and somewhat intriguing story. This game set the bar very very high for itself early on (in my eyes) which is a testament to the devs abilities but I do feel it is sort of slipping atm, this update was however a step up from the two earlier ones.

 

[bakerarts]

Because it is a game. The way most people play it is to advance the relationship between Haley and the MC. To those people, the choices matter because they WANT them to get together in a happy ending. To those people, the choices are incredibly important, because if they don't make the right ones, they won't get what they want.

People who want something else will become incredibly disappointed, because they are not playing the game the way the developer formulated it. They should try another game, because this one is not going to change.

So why keep those other choices in if THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY EFFECT ON THE GAME. That is what everyone is not understanding why have those choices if there is no penalty for it.

 

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Mega gives me error everytime i download tried winrar and 7zip

 

[Walter Victor]

So why keep those other choices in if THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY EFFECT ON THE GAME. That is what everyone is not understanding why have those choices if there is no penalty for it.

Because the game is not complete.

You have to understand that the object of the game is not JUST to get Haley and the MC in the sack together. That happened ages ago. It now appears to me that the object of the game is to get them together permanently and happily without some calamitous end.

I could be wrong. The developers have not revealed their goal to me. But, that goal is obviously not just sex between Haley and the MC. That's already happened, and the game is still in development. I am certain that changes will matter.

 

[Faceless0ne]

Mega gives me error everytime i download tried winrar and 7zip

Got it from Mega, used 7zip and everything is as it should be...

 

[Avaron1974]

So why keep those other choices in if THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY EFFECT ON THE GAME. That is what everyone is not understanding why have those choices if there is no penalty for it.

The choices add points.

The points lead to some scenes, others have a minor variation.

Sooner or later those points will probably decide what ending you have.

Haley is non negotiable, she's either the main LI or one of depending on if you stay with Sandra or not. Regardless of anything else Haley is always going to be in the picture, that isn't changing.

 

[alpharenji]

Got it from Mega, used 7zip and everything is as it should be...

Really shit ok thanks i dunno what it is then

 

[Rd835]

Here is something that came to mind after I played this last release. In the non-Sandra route, Haley says she can't sleep without the MC. I believe that now to be literally the case. Especially without Sandra in the picture. It's not just about lust or even love. Haley has been so traumatized by recent events that she needs the MC to keep her safe and protect her through the night.

Yeah, realized that too, from the beginning, it was not just out of lust she tries to get in the MC's bed, but really becauuse she's traumatized and can't sleep alone. Thus the videochat during night when on business trip...