VN Ren'Py Completed Haley's Story [v1.1 Pre-Patched] [Viitgames]

[Joshua Tree]

There is a spectrum though. How far are you willing to go to get what you want? If you know how to make someone do something do something they don't want to do, would you?
As for Haley (and mc). They know its wrong to hide their relationship from Sandra, they know it's immoral. They are trying to trick Sandra into accepting something, that, if it were presented to her head on, she more than likely would not accept, and this is much more Haley's action than MC's action.

So imo Haley is a lot more manipulative than your average person.

That would depend on what is doesn't it? And on that scale, people are wired different in how far they want to go to achieve what they want/need.

As for trying to nudge someone into accept a relationship, that happens all over the world today as well. People of a different sexual orientation, or involved in relationships that not seen as the norm. Might find themselves in not quite the same, but similar situation, where they have to get people (more often, family), to accept their relationship and situation.

 

[Walter Victor]

As seems evident from the posts above (and from common sense), love and manipulation are not mutually exclusive. In fact, some manipulation is probably essential to achieve love. Think about what you have done in your life to achieve the love of another.

 

[Joshua Tree]

As seems evident from the posts above (and from common sense), love and manipulation are not mutually exclusive. In fact, some manipulation is probably essential to achieve love. Think about what you have done in your life to achieve the love of another.

Well, if you at a certain age and got a bit of history to look back at. You probably have a great deal of people who could look back at times of making a complete arse out of themselves in attempt of achieve such as well

If you fall for someone, you can say whatever you do in pursuit of that someone, manipulation is part of that. It is a loaded word though, it doesn't necessary need to be negative or used with evil intent.

 

[Moonis]

My

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tells me, that we'll be seeing more Lisa content in the future. In my eyes Lisa is far hotter than Haley, so that's great. Sandra was even hotter, but her mindset made me to drop her. I was actually bit surprised when I read from comments that there's some updates on that route too. I guess I'll have to replay some of my choices.

I'm curious about nature of relationship with the other Haley and Klaus, but I guess we'll see more about that also later. It would be nice to steal her from Klaus if they have anything sexual going on. Her face could do plenty of plastic surgery, but she has nice slender body, so I'd do her.

 

[friend69]

Looking forward to more....

 

[SomeGuyWithNoImagination]

There's a lot more content in this game, and it's a lot better than I ever expected.

I initially got this game, thinking it would be an easy time sink for those nights where I just wanna lay back in bed. The next thing I knew it was 4AM. Thank god I'm quarantined.

Anyways, boy is that twist towards the end. It sure adds depth to what would otherwise just be "your sister you happen to live with."

Also, I didn't like Haley's model at the start, but either the model was modified at some point, or it grows on you. I can't tell which since I still don't like the art on OP.

 

[Alfius]

Really? If it is not real love, then what the hell is it? They are twins after all, and have been very close all of their lives. She has loved him as much as he has her. That is only natural between siblings, not to mention twins. Haley has also been obsessed sexually with her brother since puberty (before Klaus). All the elements of any conceivable kind of love for the MC are there and have been there for (probably) a decade.

Frankly, if she does NOT love the MC, then Haley is truly a monster. Perhaps formed so by Klaus, but nonetheless a manipulative monster. That is, without her love for her brother.

Is Haley manipulative? Obviously! But she does truly love him.

The question becomes, can the sexual aspect of their love remain after Haley rids herself of her Klaus demons. It is unnatural after all ... except in porn games. Will she realize how unnatural it is, and break that aspect of their relationship off, once she obtains a healthier attitude toward her past, present and future. My thinking on that is that, since her sexual attraction to the MC predates Klaus (and it is still a porn game), Haley will still want to maintain the full-on relationship with her brother. She will still 'want it all'.

I think you are misunderstanding me.

I do not mean they do not love each other. The love each other deeply as siblings and family should love each other.
I meant real love as in romantic love between a man and a woman that forms naturally.

Being obsessed with someone is not natural nor is it normal. People get locked up in jail or get restraining orders because of it. I'm sure there are some people that hides it quite well. And that is the category that Haley falls in.

That is all I meant when saying that. Apologies for not being clearer.
I don't judge this as a porn game. For me this is like reading a normal short story drama.
So yes, it's unnatural.

 

[Walter Victor]

I think you are misunderstanding me.

I do not mean they do not love each other. The love each other deeply as siblings and family should love each other.
I meant real love as in romantic love between a man and a woman that forms naturally.

Being obsessed with someone is not natural nor is it normal. People get locked up in jail or get restraining orders because of it. I'm sure there are some people that hides it quite well. And that is the category that Haley falls in.

That is all I meant when saying that. Apologies for not being clearer.
I don't judge this as a porn game. For me this is like reading a normal short story drama.
So yes, it's unnatural.

Taken in that context, you will have to admit that it is nearly impossible for a brother and sister, who have lived together for almost the entirety of their lives, to form a romantic love in the way that would occur naturally between people who are not related. Haley and the MC were never going to go out on dates, call each other on the phone, gift each other flowers and chocolates, invite each other out to lunch, or any of the other things that come naturally to the courtship process. They didn't need to do those things, because they have lived closely together for so long that they can complete each others sentences... and even thoughts.

I still maintain that Haley loves, and has loved, the MC in any possible form that love can take (except by definition philautia ).

 

[Rodzaju]

Totally fucked up IRL, but following porn game logic on the non Sandra route I can see haley2 becoming the beard.

She & Haley bond over their shared trauma with Klaus.
Haley comforts & counsels her & they get very close.
MC is presented as a (marginally) more normal relationship...

 

[Avaron1974]

Sandra be working too much

How so?

She's planning on leaving her job and moving back.

 

[Veriko666]

Totally fucked up IRL, but following porn game logic on the non Sandra route I can see haley2 becoming the beard.

She & Haley bond over their shared trauma with Klaus.
Haley comforts & counsels her & they get very close.
MC is presented as a (marginally) more normal relationship...

Haha I actually would prefer that, I've grown to not like Sandra much anymore. She has a bleached pussy and butthole (looks weird as fuck and not how it looks IRL) and the scenes she is in are usually so dark (due to the light) that a lot of her details dissapear. Also not really fond of how Sandra is being manipulated in a really stupid way by Haley and MC that really makes them into total assholes.

 

[Alfius]

Totally fucked up IRL, but following porn game logic on the non Sandra route I can see haley2 becoming the beard.

She & Haley bond over their shared trauma with Klaus.
Haley comforts & counsels her & they get very close.
MC is presented as a (marginally) more normal relationship...

I'm a Lisa man myself.... Lisa for the beard!!!

 

[Walter Victor]

Totally fucked up IRL, but following porn game logic on the non Sandra route I can see haley2 becoming the beard.

She & Haley bond over their shared trauma with Klaus.
Haley comforts & counsels her & they get very close.
MC is presented as a (marginally) more normal relationship...

I'm not certain that there will be a 'beard' in the non-Sandra route.

In the Sandra route, that seems to be the obvious outcome. Haley is working relentlessly toward that resolution of their little problem.

But, in the non-Sandra route, Haley doesn't have a clue yet as to how to stay in a romantic relationship with her brother. She talks vaguely of running away, but that is an unlikely option. It may well turn out that this route will also go with a 'beard' for resolution. I don't know. But Haley2? I don't know about that. I always thought that would be like the MC turning into another Klaus.

But, could it work like this? They adopt her to keep her out of Klaus's clutches? And stay together to raise her? Maybe... only in porn-game logic though.

 

[Walter Victor]

I'm a Lisa man myself.... Lisa for the beard!!!

Lisa might actually be the best choice. Adriana is Haley's boss. How would that work? Alana is a late addition that doesn't really add anything. At this point, Haley doesn't even know her. Diane is shallow and only attractive physically. There is nothing there. But, Lisa actually has a personality that is charming. And she's hot as fuck!

So, yeah!

 

[Alfius]

Taken in that context, you will have to admit that it is nearly impossible for a brother and sister, who have lived together for almost the entirety of their lives, to form a romantic love in the way that would occur naturally between people who are not related. Haley and the MC were never going to go out on dates, call each other on the phone, gift each other flowers and chocolates, invite each other out to lunch, or any of the other things that come naturally to the courtship process. They didn't need to do those things, because they have lived closely together for so long that they can complete each others sentences... and even thoughts.

I still maintain that Haley loves, and has loved, the MC in any possible form that love can take (except by definition philautia ).

That is what I meant...I see it similar to Cercei and Jamie in GOT, except in this one it was one sided. Where with GOT it was mutual.

BTW, I do see this whole story as plausible and realistic. It's part of why I'm so invested in this.

I'm perfectly capable of using porn logic, and to be perfectly honest in most incest game, you have to use it.
I mean in Dating my Daughter...Not using porn logic, the dad is pretty bad. Like Klaus level bad (Ok not Klaus level, but pretty close) Even Dreaming of Dana, is better, but it's still pretty messed up. The beard options in that game is …..pretty damn rough.

Most incest games are just plain implausible. Like 1 line in the dialogue....and everything is back on. "Oh son, we can not do this, I'm you mother ", "Mom, if two people love each other it does not matter", "OK son, let's fuck. I wanted you since the day you were born"

You have to use porn logic to enjoy these games.

It's rare gems like Deluca Family, City of Broken Dreams etc Where you do not need to switch of your brain to enjoy the game, that I truly enjoy. For me Haley's story falls into this category. If there ever were an incest story between brother and sister, this is what I a imagine it could have gone like. So I judge it accordingly.

Make no mistake, I love games where you use porn logic. DMD, Big Brother, Sisterly Lust are some of my favorite games. They are just pure fantasy.

Haley does not fall in that category.

 

[ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh]

sorry anyone got a mac version for .90

 

[Phanex]

sorry anyone got a mac version for .90

Isn't there any for v90 ?

 

[nevermoreXX]

in guide it says "[Lisa Hooker] you will get a scene with [Lisa] on Haley only path."
What constitutes as Haley "only" path?
No other girls what so ever? or limmits to some girls?

 

[Walter Victor]

in guide it says "[Lisa Hooker] you will get a scene with [Lisa] on Haley only path."
What constitutes as Haley "only" path?
No other girls what so ever? or limmits to some girls?

There are two basic paths in this game: one with Sandra and one without her.

If you get to this release and Sandra is still in it, you will not get any interaction with Lisa (or any of the other girls). If, however, you have dumped Sandra, the MC will have the chance for a relationship with Lisa if he helped her hire a hooker for her boyfriend, Dennis.

Of course, at all times the MC will interact with Haley regardless of path or choices.

 

[Rd835]

you will not get any interaction with Lisa (or any of the other girls)

With the exception, for now, of Adrianna (boss).