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Really shit ok thanks i dunno what it is thenGot it from Mega, used 7zip and everything is as it should be...
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Yeah, realized that too, from the beginning, it was not just out of lust she tries to get in the MC's bed, but really becauuse she's traumatized and can't sleep alone. Thus the videochat during night when on business trip...
I guess this is a general criticism of many vns,
but to me it feels like they want to give the players choices, but they are not ready to alter the story in a realistic way. So often - and this is also the case with haley's story - it feels like certain choices didn't really fit the story at all. Thats the storytelling aspect of why I dislike this.
And on top of that as a player I want to feel like my choices have an impact, so if I realize that even if I had made completly different choices 95% of the game would have been exactly the same, apart from some minor differences in a few scenes and some different ending WAY in the future, then thats kind of a bummer.
i kinda want to broke it off with her just before she moved for her job, but the way she just look at MC and interacted with him, is just so adorable and cute, she also selfless in a way, which makes me doesn't want to broke it off with her.
i don't know, maybe i was just selfish, but i want both Hailey and Sandra to be in MC life, it just i hope that i don''t ended up hurting them
- Sep 30, 2017
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I actually agree with what you say 100%.
I think our way in solving it is different. I think it's not fair on Sandra to drag her into this.
So hear me out:-
I read the game the same way you read it in RL. What Haley feels towards the MC is not real love. It's a combination of her incurable obsession with her brother (Think Jamie and Cercei GOT, but Only Cercei feeling it) combined with the emotional scaring caused by Klaus. The MC loved his sister deeply as a sister, combined with being physically attracted to her (she is very pretty after all) and falling for her persistent manipulations, flirtations, she manage to "corrupt" him into having a relationship with her. That is the story of the first half of the game up until they have sex the first time. (Remember, he did not know about Klaus up until that point.). Then the Klaus bomb dropped. That changed everything. The sex together with that revelation IMO bound them together. (Forever?).
My motivation for not including Sandra is simple.
1) She will always be the third wheel (Unlike Alexandra, I do not see this as an "everybody is equal" relationship)
2) The two siblings can not be truly themselves, when Sandra is present. (That will obviously change over time, but maybe never completely)
3) Both the MC and Sandra are being manipulated by Haley. Everything in this relationship is on her terms.
In any case I also agree with your conclusion:
"I do think something good can come from the 3 of them, I don't think breaking up with Sandra would do any of them any favours. I think they need something to balance them both out. MC is a bit laid back, Haley is a bit full on and Sandra can clean up their mess."
I think Sandra is the loser in this equation. Maybe I'm just being cynical.
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That is precisely why I broke it of with her.
"any of the other girls would be a better choice from Haley's perspective."
None of them have the same emotional attachment to the MC as Sandra. So without Sandra, they can have a "normal" relationship. (As normal as an incestual relationship can be..
) I'm not a Sandra hater. In fact I look forward to playing the three-way path with her when I'm done with the single Haley path.But I just differ on concluding that the three way is the best path. Look at what each character really wants.
1) Sandra wants a relationship with the MC.
2) Haley wants a relationship with MC
3) My MC wants a relationship with Haley, although he has soft spot for Sandra.
So for all three of them, a three-way is a compromise. So I did the right thing IMO and set Sandra free, so MC and Haley can go down in flames together, without taking anybody down with them.
I fully understand that point 3 can be different for different people
3) For Avaron: Her MC likes Sandra more and keeps Haley on due to obligation and hoping for the best.
or
3) You and other: Wants a relationship with both. The question becomes do you love both equally?
In all these cases, there is compromise in the three way. Maybe in your case, it's less, but it's still there.
For a three-way to work. Jealousy needs to be kept down to a minimum and the status of each person in the relationship needs to be roughly equal. For that to happen, as Avaron said, the girls need to develop a proper relationship. I'm not sure if a) I want that or b) the girls want that. (Sandra does not know about any of this and for Haley, the ends justify the means. It's a gamble for everything to pay of on the long run) There is definitely no love between them when the relationship starts of. Haley is the puppet master trying to get everything to work out. The MC is just going along with Haley.
So long story short. I prefer the MC and Haley to work this thing out on their own naturaly, without Haley trying to control everything.
Food for though:
Contrast this with the three way in Alexandra. Both the two females are fully committed in their relationship. The MC in that game fell for one of the girls. But to move forward, he had to accept her GF and she had to except him. Both knew they had to accept each other to move forward. That one worked for me, because everyone after that is on a complete equal footing.
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I felt the same way....And Sandra was savage!! Felt like a scene from The Godfather. That was rough.
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Of course! VN does stand for Virtual Novel, after all. There is no such thing as a novel that is completely open-ended. Life is open-ended. Anything can and does happen. But try creating a game that actually emulates a person's life, complete with the multiple choices a person makes every single minute of the waking day. Add in all the outside factors. We don't have NPCs in our life. We have real people who make real choices that affect what happens to us. Add in completely outside factors: weather, illness, accidents, etc, etc. No game can come close to real life, not even sandbox, free-roam games - not even close.
In a virtual novel (at least in a well-written one), the developer has a story to relate. Choices are proffered, which can lead to differences (major and minor) along the way, and to multiple endings. But there is an arc that that the developer codes into the game. We, as players, either like or dislike that arc. If we like it, we continue playing. If we don't, we should stop.
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- Mar 13, 2019
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It's getting more and more interesting. I hate this Klaus more and more.. but despite all this deal with him, Haley is the best character in this game.
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*forced laugh*
"hahaha haaa...
yeah....
actually, about thaaaat..."
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Good post, but you forget one thing: the entire situation between the MC, Haley and Sandra is hot as fuck! (in my opinion)
Not entirely unimportant in a porn game.
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Really? If it is not real love, then what the hell is it? They are twins after all, and have been very close all of their lives. She has loved him as much as he has her. That is only natural between siblings, not to mention twins. Haley has also been obsessed sexually with her brother since puberty (before Klaus). All the elements of any conceivable kind of love for the MC are there and have been there for (probably) a decade.
Frankly, if she does NOT love the MC, then Haley is truly a monster. Perhaps formed so by Klaus, but nonetheless a manipulative monster. That is, without her love for her brother.
Is Haley manipulative? Obviously! But she does truly love him.
The question becomes, can the sexual aspect of their love remain after Haley rids herself of her Klaus demons. It is unnatural after all ... except in porn games. Will she realize how unnatural it is, and break that aspect of their relationship off, once she obtains a healthier attitude toward her past, present and future. My thinking on that is that, since her sexual attraction to the MC predates Klaus (and it is still a porn game), Haley will still want to maintain the full-on relationship with her brother. She will still 'want it all'.
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I look at it more like shed demons of xmas past. Her affection for the brother started way before her encounter with Klaus. Did those events enforce her feelings towards the brother as some sort of "safe harbor"? Maybe. But there is a whole time line we don't know anything about (yet). Time after Klaus and before we get introduced to the characters in the game.
If you dive into the rabbit hole of "incest culture" or how to put it. I wouldn't use the world unnatural, but more unconventional. Something society in general/majority frown upon, but yet some parts of the world still practiced. Filthy barbarians right?
As for manipulative? That happens in any relationship. Let's face it, if a woman (partner, whatever, lets be all inclusive) tell you to jump and you have a great chance to get a treat afterwards, more than often you just say; how high?
Some people think Sandra loves MC, so she can't live without MC, or will be not happy without MC.
But It is not like that in fact.
If there isn't MC, in the world there will be other man that only belongs to herself. A man is better than MC. So I think MC leaving from Sandra is better, for Sandra.
But It is not like that in fact.
If there isn't MC, in the world there will be other man that only belongs to herself. A man is better than MC. So I think MC leaving from Sandra is better, for Sandra.
The story only shows one man--MC, but there are many many good men in the world in fact. And, MC is not really a good man!!
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If I did that, I wouldn't have Sandra in my game and she's my fave so that would be bad.
As such, Sandra will be staying.