Walter Victor

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As we approach the end of this game, it is time to speculate on whether the developers have plans for life after Haley. I haven't seen anything either here or on Patreon. If anyone has heard anything from Discord or elsewhere, please let us know.

But in the meantime, I have a few ideas for spin-offs: Lisa's Story; How Diane Won the Pole Dancing Contest; Richard's Amorous Adventures; How Victor Met Julian; Adriana and Gaston Have Some Fun; Alana - Searching For Mr. Jake; Dr Margaret Sexual Therapist; The Rise and Fall of Mr. Klaus; Dad Lusts After Mom (NTR); Jack's Mechanical Improvement.

I have these all registered. So I will expect royalties if any of them are adopted.
 

Walter Victor

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While I do agree with you...for the most part, I think the MC is nothing more than a narcissistic turd. He whines like a schoolyard sissy about how Haley is teasing him...how it is all her fault...all the while he is tapping everything not nailed down (depending on the route you are on). He would probably screw a snake if someone held it for him. He is wanting to have his cake and eat it too. As the saying goes, the heart wants what the heart wants. As Haley says in EP 17 or 18..."I've been thinking about this on and off since high school". She is in love with him and only him. He, however, is in love with himself and in getting laid.
You realize that if the MC is a 'narcissistic turd', it is because of the choices that you made, and how you view those choices. Others have made choices so that he is a loving and caring person, who is completely loyal to his sister. Still others have given the MC one particular girlfriend to love. Nothing turd-ish about that. The MC is a single male. So players also have the ability to select some other girl as his girlfriend. Or even to try different girls, while he makes up his mind about his sister. Why does that last option cause you such grief?

You mention how Haley has always felt about her brother. But that is an obsession she has had forever. But, while the MC has always been attracted to his sister, he is NOT obsessed. It takes a while for him to realize just how deeply his love is for Haley. Until then he does exactly what normal, single males of his age do - he dates girls. OH THE HUMANITY!
It has been proven, medically, that mixing like DNA will have negative results, it is society that states that what they are doing is taboo, wrong, immoral...whatever word or phrase you want to use.
I have to ask, if you feel so strongly about this, why are you even playing this game? Please don't tell me that you didn't realize that's where the game was headed when you started playing. Any intelligent person would know what was going to happen within 5 minutes of playing it, tag or no tag.
 

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You realize that if the MC is a 'narcissistic turd', it is because of the choices that you made, and how you view those choices. Others have made choices so that he is a loving and caring person, who is completely loyal to his sister. Still others have given the MC one particular girlfriend to love. Nothing turd-ish about that. The MC is a single male. So players also have the ability to select some other girl as his girlfriend. Or even to try different girls, while he makes up his mind about his sister. Why does that last option cause you such grief?

You mention how Haley has always felt about her brother. But that is an obsession she has had forever. But, while the MC has always been attracted to his sister, he is NOT obsessed. It takes a while for him to realize just how deeply his love is for Haley. Until then he does exactly what normal, single males of his age do - he dates girls. OH THE HUMANITY!

I have to ask, if you feel so strongly about this, why are you even playing this game? Please don't tell me that you didn't realize that's where the game was headed when you started playing. Any intelligent person would know what was going to happen within 5 minutes of playing it, tag or no tag.
I understand and see what you are saying. That is why I stated...depending on the route you are on. I went all in for all characters just to see where things led.

As far as how I personally feel...I knew where the game was going before starting.

This is just an opinion...not a debate.
 
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ImperialD

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Undoubtedly! Which is why these therapy sessions could be a double-edged sword. We want Haley to be 'cured' of her Klaus-guilt, but do we really want her to be 'cured' of her brother-obsession? In the real world, yes. In this porn game, for me, no.

Which brings up a question I have about the latest therapy session:
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i can hear the sirens now
 
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yctracon

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look, if your game is pushing 5 gigs, and you want to put out a .94 update when most of us probably have .92 or .93?

Just give us an update file.
Downloading 5 gigs, again, for less than 10 minutes of content, is frustrating.

If I'm desperate enough to keep the story going, right this moment, I can use the update to, well, update my existing game.

If you don't want to do update files, wait on releasing new releases until there is more content.
I genuinely don't mind waiting fairly long periods of times for updates. I would prefer to not see .95 before christmas, if it at least gives us more than a few scenes that are over in 5-15 minutes.
What's stopping you from skipping the next couple of updates, and downloading your next version around christmas? It won't be called .95 it will be called .99 or 1.0, but outside of that you'd get what you're asking for.
I dont see the downside to doing it this way. People who want monthly updates, can download their 5gb every month and get their couple of minutes of gameplay, people who want more content per update can skip some updates and only download every couple of months.
Most updates have a similar amount of content, so it's not like suddenly unexpectedly some update was much smaller than previous ones.

I've thought about giving this game a rest until the final version was released because of the small updates, but I enjoy spending time with these characters and these monthly updates give me a good oportunity to do just that.
 

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I understand and see what you are saying. That is why I stated...depending on the route you are on. I went all in for all characters just to see where things led.

As far as how I personally feel...I knew where the game was going before starting.

This is just an opinion...not a debate.
I apologize for trying to make it one. You kept your cool a lot better than I did.
 

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Downloaded this version (0.94) of the VN, first time, on the Mac, and when I got to the part where Victor takes the MC to meet Alex several exceptions occurred, basically saying Alex was not defined and then loss of all the images. Anyone else have this issue?
 
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What's stopping you from skipping the next couple of updates, and downloading your next version around christmas? It won't be called .95 it will be called .99 or 1.0, but outside of that you'd get what you're asking for.
I dont see the downside to doing it this way. People who want monthly updates, can download their 5gb every month and get their couple of minutes of gameplay, people who want more content per update can skip some updates and only download every couple of months.
Most updates have a similar amount of content, so it's not like suddenly unexpectedly some update was much smaller than previous ones.

I've thought about giving this game a rest until the final version was released because of the small updates, but I enjoy spending time with these characters and these monthly updates give me a good oportunity to do just that.
Yea i agree with you here i am also kinda wanting to give the game a break for a bit, trouble is we are kinda in a cycle where most games kinda seem to be in a similar pattern for me. Been trying to branch out but starting to find it difficult to find new stories that appeal to me lol
 
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I don't know these last two updates were very similar, both were short and did not have much happening story wise and sex scenes were very simple and not exciting for me, maybe is because these scenes aren't imaginable enough or I am just fed up with this story and characters and my brain doesn't see this game as something exciting. One good thing that came from this update is Haley confessing during therapy, yet that was unsatisfying to me as well, for why did we not heare the whole story to get a full picture of what really happened. I know for most people her little confession will be enough to make Klaus a true villain, but for me I need more facts in the story to know how much of an asswhole he is.
 
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Walter Victor

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I don't know these last two updates were very similar, both were short and did not have much happening story wise and sex scenes were very simple and not exciting for me, maybe is because these scenes aren't imaginable enough or I am just fed up with this story and characters and my brain doesn't see this game as something exciting. One good thing that came from this update is Haley confessing during therapy, yet that was unsatisfying to me as well, for why did we not heare the whole story to get a full picture of what really happened. I know for most people her little confession will be enough to make Klaus a true villain, but for me I need more facts in the story to know how much of an asswhole he is.
I suspect that the developers don't want to go into the explicit details of what happened between Haley and Klaus. It might be better that we can use our imaginations, rather than have it all spelled out in graphic detail. That would satisfy people looking for an NTR aspect to this game, but would piss off a lot of other players.

Also, if they had done that, they probably would have had to remove some other scenes from the release. I could see an uproar over that too.

Personally, I have no problem in viewing Klaus as a 'true villain'. To me, he's right up there (down there?) with Jonathan "Black Jack" Randall from the TV series Outlander, and more reprehensible than Eric from Big Brother. I would have no problem with jamming his private parts into a blender. We can flip a coin for which one of us throws the switch.
 
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I don't know these last two updates were very similar, both were short and did not have much happening story wise and sex scenes were very simple and not exciting for me, maybe is because these scenes aren't imaginable enough or I am just fed up with this story and characters and my brain doesn't see this game as something exciting. One good thing that came from this update is Haley confessing during therapy, yet that was unsatisfying to me as well, for why did we not heare the whole story to get a full picture of what really happened. I know for most people her little confession will be enough to make Klaus a true villain, but for me I need more facts in the story to know how much of an asswhole he is.
yeah know its probably that you imagined the story going a certain way and it didn't ... it happens some times .. i could name a game that did something very similar ,,, but i'm not gonna ...
 
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Petro28

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I suspect that the developers don't want to go into the explicit details of what happened between Haley and Klaus. It might be better that we can use our imaginations, rather than have it all spelled out in graphic detail. That would satisfy people looking for an NTR aspect to this game, but would piss off a lot of other players.

Also, if they had done that, they probably would have had to remove some other scenes from the release. I could see an uproar over that too.

Personally, I have no problem in viewing Klaus as a 'true villain'. To me, he's right up there (down there?) with Jonathan "Black Jack" Randall from the TV series Outlander, and more reprehensible than Eric from Big Brother. I would have no problem with jamming his private parts into a blender. We can flip a coin for which one of us throws the switch.
I don't need an explicit scene all I want to know is how exactly he got her to have sex with her. Did he threaten her, blackmailed her, or something else. Haley's reaction to it all is also important.
 

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I don't need an explicit scene all I want to know is how exactly he got her to have sex with her. Did he threaten her, blackmailed her, or something else. Haley's reaction to it all is also important.
I figured from your previous post, that you had played through where Haley explained to the MC how it happened with Klaus. I showed the text of that scene in an earlier post.
Here is how Haley explains it in v0.90 (ep19.rpy):
Haley "He told me many times about him and his divorce."
MC "..."
Haley "One time..."
Haley "One time I hugged him, and gave him a kiss."
Haley "I don't know. I must've caught a corner of his mouth while I was kissing him on the cheek."

MC "..."
Haley "The next day, he was very upset."
Haley "He said that I was teasing him. That I was cruel."
Haley "That only sluts did that. Play with wounded men."
Haley "And that he'll tell dad. And..."

MC "I see."
MC "For how long?"

Haley "Three weeks."
Haley "Then mom put a stop to it."


She refuses to elaborate further.
Looks like he used intimidation and blackmail to me.
 
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