VN Ren'Py Completed Haley's Story [v1.1 Pre-Patched] [Viitgames]

[Segnbora]

Ok, explain how it was rape ( if she would be 18 ).

If I knew the women in your life, I'd send them this thread and advise them to run for their lives, because you have terrifying views regarding consent.

 

[Kadajko]

If I knew the women in your life, I'd send them this thread and advise them to run for their lives, because you have terrifying views regarding consent.

You are sick, go to therapy, your family should leave you.

See? I can do that too.

You just don't understand how useless, irrelevant and invalid your opinions are when you consistently fail to provide any sort of arguments to support any of your stances and instead spew out ad hominems rapid fire. I don't know if you are trying to farm karma or actually have room temperature IQ and don't understand that you can't make points with baseless statements, but if you don't want to have an actual conversation fair enough, don't waste my time.

 

[greyelf]

Ok, explain how it was rape ( if she would be 18 ).

The whole point is that she wasn't 18.

Whom you find (sexually) attractive is totally your choice, but your stated reasoning for no longer liking Haley shows an "interesting" view on the circumstances that happened in her past.

The story has:

• a young female student, who is described as being innocent both emotionally and in the ways of adult sexual activities. She is also below the Age of Consent (or at least is where I reside), so doesn't have the legal right to make choices when it comes to such activities.
• an adult male teacher, who has an authority position over the student. He uses that authority, his greater experience and emotionally manipulation to convince the student into "befriending" him (aka "grooming"), and to coerce her into "choosing" to perform a sexual activity with him. All of which the male would know is illegal.

And you lay (at least some of) the blame for being susceptible to that "grooming" and for performing the illegal sexual activity on her, the victim?

 

[ThorinKing]

The whole point is that she wasn't 18.

Whom you find (sexually) attractive is totally your choice, but your stated reasoning for no longer liking Haley shows an "interesting" view on the circumstances that happened in her past.

The story has:

• a young female student, who is described as being innocent both emotionally and in the ways of adult sexual activities. She is also below the Age of Consent (or at least is where I reside), so doesn't have the legal right to make choices when it comes to such activities.
• an adult male teacher, who has an authority position over the student. He uses that authority, his greater experience and emotionally manipulation to convince the student into "befriending" him (aka "grooming"), and to coerce her into "choosing" to perform a sexual activity with him. All of which the male would know is illegal.

And you lay (at least some of) the blame for being susceptible to that "grooming" and for performing the illegal sexual activity on her, the victim?

It's called being a toxic misogynist. There's no help for him - just put him on ignore like the rest of us and, whether he goes away or not, it will no longer matter.

 

[Kadajko]

The whole point is that she wasn't 18.

For it to be called rape, yes absolutely.

Whom you find (sexually) attractive is totally your choice, but your stated reasoning for no longer liking Haley shows an "interesting" view on the circumstances that happened in her past.

The story has:

• a young female student, who is described as being innocent both emotionally and in the ways of adult sexual activities. She is also below the Age of Consent (or at least is where I reside), so doesn't have the legal right to make choices when it comes to such activities.
• an adult male teacher, who has an authority position over the student. He uses that authority, his greater experience and emotionally manipulation to convince the student into "befriending" him (aka "grooming"), and to coerce her into "choosing" to perform a sexual activity with him. All of which the male would know is illegal.

And you lay (at least some of) the blame for being susceptible to that "grooming" and for performing the illegal sexual activity on her, the victim?

I understand the point you are trying to make.

Here are a few things to consider:

1) Teenagers do all sort of stupid shit but not all. When I was in my teen years there were a bunch of teens that wanted to be cool and be like adults and ''fit in'' with the ''cool'' crowd, they were illegally smoking, drinking, having sex early, all that shit, then there were other teens that said: ''Nah, fuck that, that shit ain't good, we are better than that.'' and they didn't do those things. I respect the latter more. ( this, what I said here is not about Haley )

2) Just because you are not an adult doesn't mean that you can't express your character and that after you become an adult everything you did before becomes null and void and impervious to judgment. Imagine an action that you find abhorrent performed by a person - for example someone was kicking puppies when they were a teen. You find that out and you respect that person less, even though they were a dumb teen. ( still not about Haley, just to show you that past actions of a person can change your perception of them )

3) Now in Haley's case it was her passive action of being a people's pleaser and letting others take advantage of her that had long time negative impact on her, she doesn't know how to say ''no'' properly. What happened to her is very unfortunate, I don't judge her in the sense that I think she deserved it or something, I just think that the kind of person that lets others take advantage of them is not the kind of person I want to be with, I am not attracted to people like that. And she shows it further in the game that she has not changed for example when she can't say a straight up ''no'' to her boyfriend and instead comes up with all sorts of dumb excuses to not make him sad. It just all clicked for me, way in the past it was the peak, and she is still the same person. There is a big probability of that happening again in the future, and while I can help her through it as a loving brother, I at the same time don't want to invite that level of turmoil into my love life.

It wouldn't necessarily have to be rape for me to have this view of her, if for example she was a punching bag in school for all the mean girls, and would not stand up for herself, and that caused trauma, I would have the exact same view of her.

Just reverse the genders - a girl can feel bad for a guy who gets bullied, humiliated and beaten up by other mean guys, she understands that it is not his fault and that bullies are the ones who are the evil people, but she doesn't want to date him, she wants to date a strong guy who can stand up for himself.

Makes sense?

 

[csbond2]

A little present for everyone.

 

[gymnopedies]

A little present for everyone.

we want more!!! bis bis bis

 

[SomeGuyWithNoImagination]

A little present for everyone.

Would it be possible for you to say what Daz asset(s) Haley uses, or maybe to provide your duf? I searched this thread but wasn't able to find anyone giving an answer for that.

 

[Segnbora]

A little present for everyone.

I've seen other devs try to use that braid, but it's pointless. It belongs to Haley, and it always will.

 

[Filipis]

Seeing this render just makes me sad, because we didn't get a proper ending for the game. Yeah, the game ended - but it wasn't an ending, not the one we deserved...

 

[Segnbora]

Yeah, the game ended - but it wasn't an ending, not the one we deserved...

I've seen plenty of devs check out at the end in order to finish something they no longer believed in, but I admit that this one hurt more than most. It's like they handed the script over to aliens and then let ChatGPT finish it. Haley deserved so much better.

 

[Dessolos]

Whenever I see this game pop up on recent post I just think damn I loved this game but I wish it wasn't rushed at the end.

 

[aereton]

Getting major redditor vibes in this thread the couple last pages.

Whenever I see this game pop up on recent post I just think damn I loved this game but I wish it wasn't rushed at the end.

Is it worth picking up anyway? I've got it on my drive but haven't gotten around to try yet. Like, is it so bad it ruins the first half of the game?

 

[SomeGuyWithNoImagination]

Is it worth picking up anyway? I've got it on my drive but haven't gotten around to try yet. Like, is it so bad it ruins the first half of the game?

Its rushed, you can feel that much, but it's not as if it's so terrible that it ruins the 85% of the game before it. Overall, the game is still good enough that I'd recommend it if you were already interested.

 

[Dessolos]

Getting major redditor vibes in this thread the couple last pages.



Is it worth picking up anyway? I've got it on my drive but haven't gotten around to try yet. Like, is it so bad it ruins the first half of the game?

I thought most of was it was worth playing sure there was a small issue here or there I wasn't fond of. But overall I liked it for what it was I just mostly didn't like the end it felt super rushed there.

 

[Filipis]

Getting major redditor vibes in this thread the couple last pages.



Is it worth picking up anyway? I've got it on my drive but haven't gotten around to try yet. Like, is it so bad it ruins the first half of the game?

The ending doesn't ruin anything. It doesn't retcon or have the actors make out-of-character decisions... it just ends.
No build up, no pay off, it just ends right at where you would expect the story to reach the pinnacle - but without an ending & epilogue.

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[aereton]

Thanks for the replies, in the mean time I've binged it through mainly due to lack of anything worthwhile.
I can only agree with the assessments. Well I had fun the first few hours at least. And if nothing else, I wasn't forced to choose between two main LIs due to a certain house fire

 

[Segnbora]

Thanks for the replies, in the mean time I've binged it through mainly due to lack of anything worthwhile. [...] Well I had fun the first few hours at least.

The writers never lost their ability to write the siblings or their unique communication style (especially Haley's), which was always the best part of the entire story, and partially redeems the two big missteps (the Big Traumatic Event and the rushed endings).

But it's definitely not what it could have been, and (to repeat something I've probably written dozens of times in this thread) the way that games are funded and released makes the disappointment so much worse than if this had been a two hour movie of the week on a hypothetical version of The Hallmark Channel that allows incest. We had to wait through the extremely promising buildup and then wait just as long as it all sorta...collapsed into a partially inflated balloon.

People sometimes analogize the Patreon model to episodic TV in the pre-streaming days, but it's not an apt analogy. Even interconnected series with season-long arcs usually told complete stories within the confines of each episode. VNs like this never do; you get the intro, wait a month, get half the first act, wait another month, get the second half of the first act, wait another month, get half of the second act, wait another month, and so forth. Haley's Story was, at least, pretty good about deadlines — this wasn't like Freeloading Family, where everyone had to wait ages for a big pile of terribly disappointing endings — but the period during which the devs lost their enthusiasm was all too obvious, and I knew it was never going to end with the brio with which it was introduced.

Personally, I considered the Sandra + Haley ending to be the particular version of a bearded relationship that the devs preferred, so that was my primary playthrough, though I had saves for all the others, including the sibling-only version. When weekend after weekend passed with the trio visiting the siblings' parents and doing more or less the same things, for no particular reason other than to gradually increase Dad's suspicion, I knew there'd never been a clear and definitive path to ending the story. It's the same thing that happened to Dreaming of Dana, with one key dev in common, so I hope it's something he figures out at some point.

 

[Filipis]

When weekend after weekend passed with the trio visiting the siblings' parents and doing more or less the same things, for no particular reason other than to gradually increase Dad's suspicion, I knew there'd never been a clear and definitive path to ending the story. It's the same thing that happened to Dreaming of Dana, with one key dev in common, so I hope it's something he figures out at some point.

Yeah, when I reached this part (the siblings-only playthrough), the dread set in as I realized that the devs spent God-knows how many hours rendering those scenes (a lot of assets were probably even reused) during which nothing significant happened. You had the dad growing more suspicious, sure, but it felt like he was the only character that actually had something going on.
Meanwhile, the MC and Haley were just jumping between their parent's house and the city repeating every day in some boring version of Groundhog Day.

The ending was absolutely flat. And that is terrible in itself.

 

[SmeltedPickle]

I was bored and downloaded this game, had seen it quite a few times before so thought "hey this looks completed so let me give it a try", never thought I would see Alexandra cameo here that it actually made me double check if it was not made by the same dev.

Also yes as the others have stated the story does kind of ends on a cliff hanger like ending, where it feels like some of the fat had been suddenly cut off and forgotten about.